Ayn Rand VS Rand Paul

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tical916

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They come into a black mans restaurent wearing the symbol of black slavery and abuse by these racists. Im sure it's still a fresh memory of similar age minorities that have had to deal with discrimination.

You do know that they lynched black people because they were seen as less than these goofy fucks in sheets. Whyd they wear the sheeta? Because believe it or not some of them were govt officials, police. So they enter this store wearing garments representing hatred towards another. Theyre abusing theyre "freedom of speech".
Imagine guy in Hitler drab walking around a holocoust musuem.
 
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NoDrama

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tical916 said:
They come into a black mans restaurent wearing the symbol of black slavery and abuse by these racists. Im sure it's still a fresh memory of similar age minorities that have had to deal with discrimination.

You do know that they lynched black people because they were seen as less than these goofy fucks in sheets. Whyd they wear the sheeta? Because believe it or not some of them were govt officials, police. So they enter this store wearing garments representing hatred towards another. Theyre abusing theyre "freedom of speech".
Imagine guy in Hitler drab walking around a holocoust musuem.
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So then you agree that a black restaurant owner should not be able to put a sign on his restaurant that says " No Ku Klux Klan members allowed"?
 
Anjinsan

Anjinsan

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Im 25 at the moment and am more intelligent than this old fuck. Trying to attack me personally about how young I am. Where are you getting these numbers from? 80 years on 20 is around 100 i think thatll be the norm 80 years from now. GL on that. Life expectancy in America has increased 8 years from 70 in 1960 to 78 fifty years later. If you are lucky...you'll hit 85. The last ten of which figure to have you unable to take care of yourself. But don't worry...social security won't exist...oppps bah why worry now...you'll never grow old.
The other dude said he was a decade older than 40. That makes him 50. It's not a reasonable guess you die at 80-90. except that you said 20 - 30 years meaning 70 - 80.

I love how your age group wants to cut healthcare for the poor and education for kids in the name of the national debt. While you already got your slice of the pie. And now dont give a fuck about anyone else. (I'm 35. I have a mortgage, a kid and a wife...when you have responsibilities like these that you take care of...you'll not be as interested in helping out every latina that can pop out 12 kids

Rand Paul will not move our country forward or solve any problems. We've seen what letting corporations regulate themselvese can do to the economy. And we've seen what an ever increasing government costs both in terms of freedoms lost...and financially.
 
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ginjawarrior

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NoDrama said:
So then you agree that a black restaurant owner should not be able to put a sign on his restaurant that says " No Ku Klux Klan members allowed"?
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i think that can quite easily come under dress code rather than a race issue. all they need to put is "no hooded tops" under where it says "tops must be worn in this restaurant"

this issue is a bit of a tricky one i think everyone wants a society where rules like this arent needed (i dont think we're ready for it yet) but when soceity is in a place where these laws arent needed then i still dont see them being an issue as in a "Utopian world" why would anyone want to discriminate because of race
 
doc111

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Anjinsan said:
So you are 18 now...and you believe that you will live to 98? LMFAO. Yet people that are 40 now you believe will live to 60 or 70? *edit* I read that you are in your 20's supposedly...so now you believe that you will live to be somewhere around 105 - 110 years old?

Man oh man...no wonder you are so horrible at debating...you are 18 and haven't paid a single dime of rent/mortgage. Either that or you are gawd awful at math AND overly optimistic about your lifespan.
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Oooooh, somebody got owned!:lol:
 
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tical916

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The intelligence astounds me.

We've just seen what happens when you let govt. Regulate themselves.
If you can't figure that out and actually think the govt shoukd step out. You are a sucker. Do you think they give a damn about America. Go make love with Sean Hannity and Fox News crew. As you watch America crumble around. But hey. What a life. Youll be happy. The govt. wont take your guns. You'll be able to keep passing your money and ideals of a govt thats going to get you down to your kids. Untill your family finally runs out of money. After giving it all to the book tour of the "real americans" of Fox News.

And youll finally realize just how many lies have been told to you. As you walk ignorantly, with a stupid smile on your face. Because the govt hasnt gotten you.
 
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The problem with all this political debate is, it doesn't fix one damn thing. Does anyone think the poor person trying to make enough to feed and house his family actually has time to ponder left or right. All they want is a fair chance to raise their families with dignity and comfort. All this dreaming about rich mans toys is pretty much non-existant in the lower classes. One has to get passed the survival mode before they can start dreaming. It is a proven psychological tenet that without some level of personal comfort, one cannot strive to improve their lot. In other words, of one is hungry, it is hard to rise above the necessity to obtain food, if one is homeless, it is hard to rise above the desire to obtain shelter. Political animosity requires a modicum of personal comfort.
 
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tical916

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I agree with you full heartadily. Im on a growing site. I lived a life where I didnt need to worry about money. And thats a good feeling. I got in a accident and needed yo have a surgery. I lost almost everything I had. Because I had no insurance.
You see this every day with the families who cant afford insurance and their jobs wont let them work enough hour to qualify. Or you see it in a family where the kids dont have an education or any hope for a future.

How can the answers to the defecit now. After how many years of "USA USA Where #1" You want to hold out healthcare, education. Many of us have worked since weve been able to. Christ I Lived on my own since I was 16. Were not here to steal all of your money so that the poor working class can buy mansions and live off of welfare the rest of our lives. Some of us were just born in a diff era. And frankly this time period will go next to great depression and vietnam war. Except we are having both occur at the same time.

So thanks for ruining this country and trying to stop us from trying to improve it.
 
Anjinsan

Anjinsan

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The intelligence astounds me.

We've just seen what happens when you let govt. Regulate themselves.
If you can't figure that out and actually think the govt should get more involved in our lives. You are a sucker. Do you think they give a damn about America. Go make love with Racheal Maddow and MSNBC crew. As you watch America crumble around. But hey. What a life. Youll be happy. The govt. will take your guns. You'll not be able to keep passing your money and ideals of a govt thats going to get you down to your kids. Your family runs out of money. After giving it all to the book tour of the "real americans" of MSNBC.

And youll finally realize just how many lies have been told to you. As you walk ignorantly, with a stupid smile on your face. Because the govt has gotten you.
 
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tical916

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Yes blame it on msnbc and the few pennies tossed to help poor people.

Let me guess your hero is Reagan. Cheers your the reasin this country is ints current form. And looks like will never change. Because giving govt real regulaots over corporations. We're secretly planning to steal your guns and turn whites into a slave class. Have at it hoss continue fostering this belief the govt is out to get you. And keep ignoring the real problems that affect us.
 
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tical916

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The problem with your idealogy is that you have no plans for the future. You just tow the heel fox news puts out and believe liberals arr some evil corp.

Let me give you analogy. Ive made 1600 without taxes and 1200 with taxes. I couldnt imagine trying to support a family with that. While ceos of these companies will make 20 million and pays 2 million in taxes. How is that far? Can you not live off of 15 mil/10 mil dollars? Christ, most of America can barely afford food and shelter.

America was in its best when we taxed the top 10%. So the rest of America can have a chance to succeed in this life with an education. Christ just with healthcare so they wont go babkrupt while trying to keep kids alive and healthy.
 
Anjinsan

Anjinsan

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tical916 said:
Yes blame it on msnbc and the few pennies tossed to help poor people.

Let me guess your hero is Reagan. Cheers your the reasin this country is ints current form. And looks like will never change. Because giving govt real regulaots over corporations. We're secretly planning to steal your guns and turn whites into a slave class. Have at it hoss continue fostering this belief the govt is out to get you. And keep ignoring the real problems that affect us.
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I will not play grammar/spelling nazi.

The number one expense in the United States of America is Healthcare. It costs more...than our entire military. Obama effectively made the most expensive chunk of federal spending...worse. Already the proposed budget Obamacare in America...is 150 billion more than estimated during the debate.
I have never seen the government run anything efficiently...have you? Everything they touch...turns to shit. They have the Shitastic Touch. So is the answer that we need more politicians? More government? At what point do you realize that they fucking blow? I'm trying to speak clearly and without pretense.
The government does not love you. They don't even really like you. They just want something from you. Your vote. Your taxes. Your labor. Your children to go to war. Something. There is something that you can do for them. Stop imagining these people to be good and start seeing them as a necessary evil. We do need them. But what for? Do we need them to do everything? What is the bare minimum that they do for us that we as a nation require?

And what exactly have YOU done to be an agent of change? Did you vote for Obama? By year 3 will he be responsible for his shit...or will it still be Bush's fault?
 
Anjinsan

Anjinsan

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tical916 said:
The problem with your idealogy is that you have no plans for the future. You just tow the heel fox news puts out and believe liberals arr some evil corp.

Let me give you analogy. Ive made 1600 without taxes and 1200 with taxes. I couldnt imagine trying to support a family with that. While ceos of these companies will make 20 million and pays 2 million in taxes. How is that far? Can you not live off of 15 mil/10 mil dollars? Christ, most of America can barely afford food and shelter.

America was in its best when we taxed the top 10%. So the rest of America can have a chance to succeed in this life with an education. Christ just with healthcare so they wont go babkrupt while trying to keep kids alive and healthy.
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Seriously. We do tax the top 10%. We tax the pee pee out of them. Those 10% pay for the MAJORITY of EVERYTHING in this country. That you are unaware of this is staggering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#Year_2010_income_brackets_and_tax_rates

They pay 35%. Childcare/Child rearing deductions? Don't do dick for them.
 
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tical916

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You do realize that weve been in a war the last 8 years. America has the most advanced military in the world. The way anyone could wipe us out with an actual nueclar arsenal.

You do realize that your never going to overtake the govt. Thats your opinion. Your generation couldnt fix it. You elected Bush and in Essense elected good old GW. Lets be honest he couldnt have become a gov. Let alone a president if he wasnt a Bush.

And we elected Obama. I regret now. But there i would let mccain and palin in.

But we actually have a desire to fix this. We must live here longer than you. We need the govt to regulate the finsncial industry. We need to look over our fellow americans and givw tgem a chance to succeed in turning this country around.
 
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tical916

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Sorry im writing on a ipod and its pain to proofread and edit. Your honor

You and I agree that govt is corrupt. You either cant find a way to fix it or dont even care.

Well let me tell you why govt is corrupt. Ronald Reagons started Americas Capitalism ran wild. Corporations bought off 95# of congress. They bought off every president since Reagon. Think about what he was before a president. He was a lobbiest/spokesperson for corporations.

We are trying to fix this. Step aside. So we can fight for our future.
 
Anjinsan

Anjinsan

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How exactly are you fighting for my future? Newsflash. I'm totally going to outlive you. I'd say you'll see..but you won't. Neither one of us will have social security available to us when we need it.
So worry less about me and worry more about wtf you are going to do to prepare your family for harder times than this. Right now you are clueless. But by all means
if you have a way to take the government back 12 notches or so before they became nannies. Do it. I do not wish to survive off of the government's pity but rather by my own ability.
 
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tical916

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Well have fun stockpiling a mass of food and weapons. Revolutions will not happen by force. What do you think your going to do if they do want to come and get you? Kill them? Youd be lucky to kill a few before they force you to retreat into your lil stocked bombshelter? What are you going to live in their? Theyd let you?

What does social security have to do with anyone? Shit Ive lived day to day for my adult life. Im not expecting medicare or any retirement plan in the future.

How will you outlive me? What do you mean? Im younger than you so id be here longer wouldnt I? Are you refering to you being one of these 'militias' give me a fucking break. Most of these are attention whores or the big dog with no bite.

Realize revolutions happen. They happen through real civil protests.
Im going to a protest on june 7th in DC to protest Geitner and wall street. The fed reserve for not allowing us to see who they give money. And were trying to get our billions back from goldmansachs.

Did you hear about this? Agree with us?
Now have you heard thia before? Prob not, wondering why? Its because Fox News isnt reportibg it because its going against their bosses. Murdoch, his saudi friend and the corporations which have taken over congress.
Thats why they had you protest healthcare. Scare the peasants with talk of death panels and the killing of grandmothers.

If you still believe theres no hope. I suggest you choose one of those guns of your. And go snuggle up with it in your bomb ahelter.
 
Anjinsan

Anjinsan

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tical916 said:
Well have fun stockpiling a mass of food and weapons. Revolutions will not happen by force. What do you think your going to do if they do want to come and get you? Kill them? Youd be lucky to kill a few before they force you to retreat into your lil stocked bombshelter? What are you going to live in their? Theyd let you?

What does social security have to do with anyone? Shit Ive lived day to day for my adult life. Im not expecting medicare or any retirement plan in the future.

How will you outlive me? What do you mean? Im younger than you so id be here longer wouldnt I? Are you refering to you being one of these 'militias' give me a fucking break. Most of these are attention whores or the big dog with no bite.

Realize revolutions happen. They happen through real civil protests.
Im going to a protest on june 7th in DC to protest Geitner and wall street. The fed reserve for not allowing us to see who they give money. And were trying to get our billions back from goldmansachs.

Did you hear about this? Agree with us?
Now have you heard thia before? Prob not, wondering why? Its because Fox News isnt reportibg it because its going against their bosses. Murdoch, his saudi friend and the corporations which have taken over congress.
Thats why they had you protest healthcare. Scare the peasants with talk of death panels and the killing of grandmothers.

If you still believe theres no hope. I suggest you choose one of those guns of your. And go snuggle up with it in your bomb ahelter.
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If you could lay off the attitude for 12 seconds...you might find more allies. I too hate Geithner. Hated Paulson too. I agree this country is in fiscal apocalypse.
Obama is the EXACT wrong man for the job. BUT...even as bad as he is...Pelosi is WORSE. I truly believe her to be batshiite crazy.

The healthcare bill is another power grab. Just because you like a part of something...doesn't make it good for America. It is not. We cannot afford it.

I'll outlive you due to fantastic genes...I haz them.
 
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tical916

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The healthcare is not a power grab. Sure the insurance company and pharma companys will make $100 of millions instead of $100 billions. Theyll still have more money than most us will imagine. Healthcare for everyone should be a right. So you and i may differ. But come on look at the tea party protesters who rely on medicare.
 
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tical916 said:
The healthcare is not a power grab. Sure the insurance company and pharma companys will make $100 of millions instead of $100 billions. Theyll still have more money than most us will imagine. Healthcare for everyone should be a right. So you and i may differ. But come on look at the tea party protesters who rely on medicare.
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Yep, for sure you are in your twenties. You don't see the folly of having a big entity control things that very much affect you. The USA is in such a fiscal state that if the government were to cut every program 100%, shut down every federal agency INCLUDING the military and ONLY have Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid we still are short to pay for it. Then you put your faith in these government estimators who give you these nice numbers saying how the healthcare bill will only cost 900 billion for the next 10 years, what a crock of SHIT!! I Gaurantee it will cost 10-100 times that, it will cost so fucking much that you will stand in 10 year long lines to have your cancer treated. The globalists want people to die, and die by the thousands. Its all just part of the big plan. If republicans had controlled congress we would still have this healthcare debacle. Mark my words, this bill has put government in complete control of YOUR health. They are going to tax the fuck out of us once it becomes apparent how much its really going to cost.

But hey dude, you are a compassionate soul, its a very commendable stance, just impossible to implement and have it work out anything like you want it to. Government screws everything up.
 
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