B.C. unveils pot plans

VIANARCHRIS

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B.C. unveils pot plans: marijuana to be sold in standalone government stores, separate from liquor
Legal age for pot possession will be 19, with adults allowed to possess up to 30 grams of non-medical cannabis
By Justin McElroy, CBC Posted: Feb 05, 2018 10:50 AM PT Last Updated: Feb 05, 2018 3:10 PM PT


B.C. liquor stores have been lobbying to sell pot alongside alcohol. (Evan Mitsui/CBC)

The B.C. government has begun filling in the details surrounding its plans for regulating and selling non-medical marijuana, but is cautioning it will take some time for a clearer picture to form.

"There are many key policy areas where decisions still have to be made," said Solicitor General Mike Farnworth, in announcing the proposed rules.

"July 2018 is only the beginning. All governments will have to assess and refine cannabis policy in the months and years to come."

Most notably, liquor stores will not be allowed to sell cannabis, with the B.C Liquor Distribution Branch (LDB) creating and operating a new standalone network of public retail stores.

The legal age of possession will be 19, with adults allowed to possess up to 30 grams of non-medical cannabis.

Other important details include the following:

  • Cannabis will not be allowed inside vehicles (unless in a sealed package or an inaccessible place) and those caught driving while impaired will be given a 90-day prohibition.
  • Adults will be allowed to grow up to four cannabis plants per household, but they may not be visible from public spaces, and landlords and strata councils will have the right to ban cultivation.
  • Smoking and vaping of non-medical cannabis will be banned in beaches, parks, playgrounds and other places "frequented by children," according to the government.
The government is expected to implement the regulations through a series of bills during the upcoming legislative session, so they can be in place by the time non-medical cannabis is legalized this July.


Public Safety Minister Mike Farnworth announces proposed regulations for legalized non-medicinal marijuana in British Columbia on Feb. 5, 2018. (Justin McElroy/CBC)

Outlets must be self-contained
Individuals and businesses will be allowed to begin early registration for retail licences later this spring. All operations will only be allowed to sell cannabis products, except in rural areas.

Children will not be allowed to enter the building and samples will not be allowed.

The government announced last year the B.C. Liquor Distribution Branch would be the wholesale distributor of non-medical cannabis, and there had been lobbying in some sectors for existing public liquor stores to be the primary retail outlet for cannabis.

"The public health officials and provincial health officers felt very strongly on this issue," said Farnworth, who added that a federal government task force's recommendations and feedback from local governments also played into the decision.

There will be no cap on the number of licences, but local governments will have veto power, with "the authority to make local decisions, based on the needs of their communities."

Farnworth said it could mean complete bans on marijuana outlets in some municipalities, but it would not impede access because online sales would be permited — though only for the public retailer.

"I know Richmond has said they don't want any in their community, and I don't have a problem with that."

Pricing, edibles and opening dates to be determined
The government is hopeful to have the first new public and private stores in operation by the end of the summer, but can't say whether existing dispensaries in Vancouver and Victoria hoping to transition to sell to all consumers could be approved ahead of that.

"We're currently developing the licensing process. That will be made public, and once that's in place, people will be able to apply ... if they want to be in business, they're going to have to apply, they're going to have to get their licence and approval from the city and from the province of B.C." said Farnworth.

"It's going to take some time before we get the retail system, the entire system up and running, the way it's going to be."

Also yet to be developed, is a framework around pricing. In addition, edibles will not be allowed until regulation around them is created by the federal government, which is expected within a year of legalization.

Newly elected B.C. Liberal Leader Andrew Wilkinson criticized the government's plan.

"We're less than five months away from [legalization], and the NDP is asking the commercial world to turn itself on its ear to sort themselves out," he said.

"What we've got right now is ... chaotic, and it's up to the government of B.C. to figure out what's going to flow out from the federal rules, and the NDP have been asleep at the switch."
 

VIANARCHRIS

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those caught driving while impaired will be given a 90-day prohibition.
Except they can't PROVE impairment at the moment
they may not be visible from public spaces
Why?
but can't say whether existing dispensaries in Vancouver and Victoria hoping to transition to sell to all consumers could be approved ahead of that.

"We're currently developing the licensing process. That will be made public, and once that's in place, people will be able to apply ... if they want to be in business, they're going to have to apply, they're going to have to get their licence and approval from the city and from the province of B.C." said Farnworth.
The dispensaries will stay open - too bad they have to sell poison shit until the craft market gets going.
 

Farmer.J

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Why doesn't Richmond want legalization? I smoked awesome OG Kush once that was said to be grown in Richmond.
 

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The government announced last year the B.C. Liquor Distribution Branch would be the wholesale distributor of non-medical cannabis, and there had been lobbying in some sectors for existing public liquor stores to be the primary retail outlet for cannabis.
This is the part that scares me the most. I dont want the government having this much control over weed

Why doesn't Richmond want legalization? I smoked awesome OG Kush once that was said to be grown in Richmond.
lots of conservatives. not really that surprising imo.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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This is the part that scares me the most. I dont want the government having this much control over weed



lots of conservatives. not really that surprising imo.
Government distribution was always a given, same way they do booze. No way for them to siphon off their excise tax otherwise. Not perfect, but it's what we get, they're not going to give that up. Grow your own and share with your friends and avoid that altogether.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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"B.C. will create a new 90-day administrative driving prohibition (ADP) for drug-affected driving;"
How are they going to prove "drug affected driving"? If they smell weed, they are going to take my license for 90 days? - I don't fucking think so. Good news is there is no mention of criminal charges, but they need to define 'drug affected driving'. They are giving the power to the driver licensing superintendent (Steve Martin - him and I have battled before - I won) the same as they do for graduated licensing. Difference is, I am not a probationary driver and they cannot arbitrarily revoke my license without evidence of me being a danger on the road.
 

HotWaterKarl

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Why doesn't Richmond want legalization? I smoked awesome OG Kush once that was said to be grown in Richmond.
Could be the Chinese population there. I read there was a town with a large (conservative) Chinese population in Cali that voted similarly with the legalization there.
 
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VIANARCHRIS

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Could be the Chinese population there. I read there was a town with a large (conservative) Chinese population in Cali that voted similarly with the legalization there.
BINGO!

Richmond, one of Canada’s most anti-cannabis cities
Mike OkadaOctober 27, 2017
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Richmond, BC, may be Canada’s most anti-cannabis city after its city council voted unanimously to oppose legalization on Oct. 25th, and the city is sending a letter outlining their reasons why to the provincial and federal governments.

Richmond also stands out for not having any cannabis dispensaries within its limits and if the city gets its way, it would stay like that. The city has asked for increased powers to regulate cannabis that, if granted, would allow them to ban cannabis sales outright, but that is not guaranteed yet.

Richmond City Council calls cannabis a gateway drug
As Coun. Derek Dang told the Richmond News, “If you became an alcoholic, I don’t think you would start drinking the hard stuff first. You drink a beer then work your way up. We’ve already got drug problems with fentanyl, and it could be problematic.”

Ignoring how misinformed it is to compare cannabis with fentanyl, everyone can agree that the opioid epidemic is a crisis. But legalizing cannabis will not make it worse, as some are suggesting. It could actually make things better- since legalizing cannabis two years ago, Colorado’s opioid-related deaths have dropped by 6.5%.

But Richmond is also standing against popular opinion in BC with 70% of the province supporting legalization in a recent Insights West survey.

A petition to suspend legalization
The Richmond-based July 2018 Marijuana Legalization Concern Group also opposes legalization completely, and they want the federal government to postpone or suspend the July 2018 deadline.

As stated in their petition, “if the federal government insists on legalizing marijuana in 2018”, they have a number of recommendations, including:

  • Minimum age of 21
  • No edibles
  • No personal cultivation allowed
  • Setting stricter rules related to marijuana use than those on smoking and drinking
  • Being strict on illegal marijuana operations
  • Delegating municipalities with the authority to make stricter bylaws according to the wishes of their residents

The July 2018 Marijuana Legalization Concer Group at their Oct. 13 press conference. Photo credit: Richmond News

At the group’s press conference on Oct. 13th, their leader, Councillor Chak Au, said “Once the gate of legalization is opened, it cannot be reverted back. We need to work together now to prevent the social problems that may be caused by legalization later.”

The group is asking for a higher minimum age than what BC is proposing, and also wants a ban on edibles and personal cultivation- all in the name of protecting children. But with tobacco and alcohol allowed at 18 and 19, respectively, at least it’s in line with their recommendation that cannabis be treated more strictly than alcohol or tobacco, but at the same time, they also offer no justifications for why cannabis should be treated more strictly.

They contradict themselves in their recommendation to be strict on illegal cannabis operations while opposing legalization entirely because their position only encourages a thriving illegal market. If they have their way, either people will continue to illegally buy cannabis in Richmond, or drive to a city that allows sales.

Also, banning edibles and personal cultivation in the name of protecting the children is conflating two separate issues.

With edibles, there is a chance that kids could accidentally eat them and that’s why they need to be clearly labelled and kept out of their hands- but that also applies to anything in our medicine or liquor cabinet. Besides, edibles have many benefits such as being less harmful on the lungs, for one. To ban edibles gives cannabis users less freedom because not everybody likes to, or even can, smoke cannabis.

If a child was nibbling on a cannabis plant they won’t get high because you need to prepare the leaves and decarboxylate it in order to activate the THC. Many do this by smoking it.

As we can clearly see, many of the group’s recommendations suggest a fundamental lack of understanding of cannabis and the good it can do.

Is Richmond too conservative for cannabis?
As Coun. Carol Day told CBC, “This is a suburb. We’re not the heavy duty nightlife of Downtown Vancouver and the action-packed thrill of adventure of Surrey. In Richmond, we tend to live a more conservative lifestyle”.

Vancouver Councillor Kerry Jang shared similar sentiments to the Globe and Mail saying, “You’ve got a place like Richmond that has a huge Chinese population – which is very anti-drug, period – I’d be surprised to see [a store selling legal cannabis] in Richmond. That’s got nothing to do with cost or legislation – it’s just the community saying, ‘We want nothing to do with it.”
 

Farmer.J

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Could be the Chinese population there. I read there was a town with a large (conservative) Chinese population in Cali that voted similarly with the legalization there.
That makes sense, once I worked with a Chinese dude from Richmond. He compared cannabis to heroin.
 
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