bad harvast soft buds

Hi RIU,
I have problem with flowering. Everything before change to 12/12 look well. big tree with healthy leaves.
I don't know why my flower end up like this. I run Dwc with Lucaz formula in tent.

I been growing for couple run already. I think I might be the temp. problem
Because when the hall flowering period grow in the cold winter. I got better product. When it reach the spring here(highest29-30℃) my product sucks as you can see in the photo. Summer is coming, and I'm almost ready to flip right now. I don't want to Fuck up again. It waste time and money. any experience or any idea what should I do? Thanks

First thought is always, do you have enough light...

How many weeks 12/12 is that bro?
What strain?

Looks like it was picked way to early. It still has white pistols. Let them go another 3-4 weeks.

testiclees said:

How many weeks 12/12 is that bro?
What strain?

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whitebb2727 said:

Looks like it was picked way to early. It still has white pistols. Let them go another 3-4 weeks.

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GrowinDad said:

First thought is always, do you have enough light...

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Thanks for all the reply

This are northern light and white widow.

I run run 2*400w

I cut at 9 weeks full

I thought I cut it late already. It's hair almost all turned, from the scope it's clodly. Seed bank recommend 8 for NL. should I wait another few weeks?

When I run in winter, it get sticky and smells in last few weeks. This time no smells and barely stickty. Any feed back will be every helpful for me

ligrow said:

Thanks for all the reply

This are northern light and white widow.

I run run 2*400w

I cut at 9 weeks full

I thought I cut it late already. It's hair almost all turned, from the scope it's clodly. Seed bank recommend 8 for NL. should I wait another few weeks?

When I run in winter, it get sticky and smells in last few weeks. This time no smells and barely stickty. Any feed back will be every helpful for me

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9 weeks from flip is early. Don't count from flip. Count from flower onset. What are you scoping? Also breeder specs aren't always right. I don't even remember the dates I flip. I just let them do their thing and cut.

It is a combo of heat and cutting early. Also possible to much nitrogen.

Temps play a big part in it......the better the environment the better the quality......

Those definatly needed more time.What are you using for your bloom phase for feed? I'm thinking under feed or maybe a ph problem during grow.

9 weeks is about right for ww and nl........as far a being underfed I'm not sure ....Wot were you feeding them and how much were you giving.......

whitebb2727 said:

9 weeks from flip is early. Don't count from flip. Count from flower onset. What are you scoping? Also breeder specs aren't always right. I don't even remember the dates I flip. I just let them do their thing and cut.

It is a combo of heat and cutting early. Also possible to much nitrogen.

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Thanks for the reply!
usually takes how many weeks to get flower onset? I scoping tricome, and its all white cloudy.

Greenhouse;save said:

Temps play a big part in it......the better the environment the better the quality......

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My friend had the same result as me this time. Im thinking if I should get a portable AC for the summer. but dont know it worth it or not. cuz my flowering room is only 120cm*120cm. I found a small unit only run 500-600W per hour. Still considering if I should get it. Summer is just began, where I live can be 35-36 celsius. I think there is no way I can get good buds under that environmnet.

70sdiver said:

Those definatly needed more time.What are you using for your bloom phase for feed? I'm thinking under feed or maybe a ph problem during grow.

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I Scope tricome its white and cloudy, and hair almost all turned. Still too earily?? I Feed GH flora with Lucaz Formula EC1.6-1.8 in Flowering. nothing more. I heard it work fine just use Lucaz formula. Should I add some for get big bud?My remain in PH5.7-6.3. I correct them if it out of this range.

Greenhouse;save said:

9 weeks is about right for ww and nl........as far a being underfed I'm not sure ....Wot were you feeding them and how much were you giving.......

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I Feed GH flora with Lucaz Formula EC1.6-1.8 in Flowering. Not adding any more for flowering. Do you think I should?

Here are more pics. Sorry for the bad quility my phone sucks.

I use net to control height. I cut the fan leaves during flower to make sure all bud get enough light. Would this be a problem?

ligrow said:

Here are more pics. Sorry for the bad quility my phone sucks.

I use net to control height. I cut the fan leaves during flower to make sure all bud get enough light. Would this be a problem?

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You cut all your "solar panels" (leaves) off. Not something I recommend.

ligrow said:

Thanks for the reply!
usually takes how many weeks to get flower onset? I scoping tricome, and its all white cloudy.


My friend had the same result as me this time. Im thinking if I should get a portable AC for the summer. but dont know it worth it or not. cuz my flowering room is only 120cm*120cm. I found a small unit only run 500-600W per hour. Still considering if I should get it. Summer is just began, where I live can be 35-36 celsius. I think there is no way I can get good buds under that environmnet.


I Scope tricome its white and cloudy, and hair almost all turned. Still too earily?? I Feed GH flora with Lucaz Formula EC1.6-1.8 in Flowering. nothing more. I heard it work fine just use Lucaz formula. Should I add some for get big bud?My remain in PH5.7-6.3. I correct them if it out of this range.

I Feed GH flora with Lucaz Formula EC1.6-1.8 in Flowering. Not adding any more for flowering. Do you think I should?

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Flower onset normally a week or two. So dont count the first two weeks after flip, give or take a few days. Also check tricomes at a the top, middle and bottom of plant. The top buds normally show cloudy and amber first. I wait until the top and middle look good. I sometimes leave bottom buds longer if need be.

Carolina Dream'n said:

You cut all your "solar panels" (leaves) off. Not something I recommend.

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Lilgrow listen to this. Leaves don't block light. They absorb it and use it to grow the bud. Farmers don't chop leaves from tomatoes. I would say that cutting fans plus what's already stated is the problem. Correct these and your next grow should be a lot better.

Carolina Dream'n said:

You cut all your "solar panels" (leaves) off. Not something I recommend.

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whitebb2727 said:

Flower onset normally a week or two. So dont count the first two weeks after flip, give or take a few days. Also check tricomes at a the top, middle and bottom of plant. The top buds normally show cloudy and amber first. I wait until the top and middle look good. I sometimes leave bottom buds longer if need be.

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whitebb2727 said:

Lilgrow listen to this. Leaves don't block light. They absorb it and use it to grow the bud. Farmers don't chop leaves from tomatoes. I would say that cutting fans plus what's already stated is the problem. Correct these and your next grow should be a lot better.

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Thanks for the reply!
I think this might be one of the point. I did this from reading article about deleafing or so. It cut all the fan leaves, and light can reach bottom. Popcorn bud can grow big.

For the envirment issue, the summer here is gonna be 35-36 during day time. There is no way I can get good stuff that much of heat right? Im thinking about portable AC, but not sure if worth of it. Because My flower room this only 120cm*120cm. If open 24/7 cost lot of money. Is there any way I can work more efficient?
Dose the lower temp during lights off necessary?


I have some girl in soil with 150Mh, use GH Flora 3 parts with 1-2-3 formula, wondering if I should get some Bloom fert when flip?
Before I flip those girls to 12/12. I want to correct all the mistake and the environment problem(heat)
Make sure dont waste money and my time take care which actually fucked them up
Any feedback will be appreciated.

I had this too and found a few things that might help. I still learning this game myself. Up to my 5th grow.

Check you light. The bulbs may be buggered and need replacing. They might kick out light but no longer at the intensity you would like. Heat can be an issue but normally you will see that on the leaves. How do the feel during flower? Do they feel dry? What humidity is your tent? You can make a cheap wet towel cloth AC - fan blowing on a wet towel(if you have low humidity). Since you think you are having heat issues it might be better not to use HPS lights. Look into CFL or LED lights.

After that I would look into scrog growing. It will get more even light onto your buds making them bigger. This is my next adventure to increase my yield. Where do in intake your cold air and where are you exiting it?

Yea chopping your fan's wasn't the best of moves....this combined with your temp issues and mabay offset r/h sounds like your culprit......if you want to use any additives then some p/k 13/14 would benefit you if used at the appropriate time(usually half way through).........

All the hairs should be brown or atleast 90% of them or so..the buds have not swollen if the hairs are still white and have not receded any.

Also make sure your getting fresh air in there lack of co2 can cause problems as in no or slow growth

Go with a 1000 watt and rid the 2 400s. flower longer at least 2 more weeks