Baking dirt in the kitchen

calvin.m16

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Just grow in Coco if you're so concerned of pathogens or pests or bake away. I grow in coco because of soil in Michigan sucking so bad. M3 Mix is good but you need a huge pot to actually grow start to finish and the stuff ain't cheap at all.
 

Babalonian

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I don't. Wanted to get opinions on the matter. I thought it was retahded.
No disagreement. K.I.S.S. But…

I had a very natty batch of FFOF a few months ago. Bad enough to be tempted to go the full 10yards and bake it _if_ necessary

After really good reading material was shown to me on the topic of sterilizing, and realizing in principle you want to just heat it a long time... I’m going half-assed and dirt-cheap, sun is free, layed it out in the sun for a few days for use to do new plantings soon. Let you know how it goes.

On an 80-degree day I was measuring almost 140 degree soil temp, if a heat wave hits I’m sure it’ll accomplish 160. If that’s not good enough and I’m still having issues I want to resolve, I’ll try an oven/bake.

I like dirty dirt, I don’t mind a few bugs, and I love easy preventative maintenance and treatments (planning). I hate the fight of an infestation, they’re preventable. Fungus nats is more a nuisance than pest, no big deal, but it’s teaching me I have a big need for improvement in the media department.

This I found very good reading.

This is from Penn State University Extension Service:

How to Pasteurize Medium and Sterilize Containers and Tools

To increase the survival rate for seedlings during germination, containers and tools should be sterilized and pasteurized or sterile soilless mixes should be used as growing medium.

Seeds need adequate moisture and optimum temperatures for germination, but these conditions also encourage the spread of disease. To increase the survival rate for seedlings during germination, containers and tools should be sterilized and pasteurized or sterile soilless mixes should be used as growing medium.
Damping-off
One potential problem for gardeners who germinate seeds at home is damping-off, a fungus disease that infects seedlings. It is caused by pathogens such as Pythium, Rhizoctonia and Fusarium and its symptoms include the browning of stems at the soil line. Stems then shrivel, plants topple over, and seedlings die. Infection spreads rapidly, killing most of the seedlings in a tray or flat. Although it is more of a problem on over-watered seedlings in poorly drained soils, even seedlings in medium that drains well can become infected. Thus, it is important to start clean by disinfecting all tools and flats, as well as pasteurizing potting medium or using sterile soilless media to reduce the possibility of damping-off. For more information, refer to the fact sheet entitled: Damping-off of Seeds, Seedlings, and Cuttings .
Pasteurizing Medium
Potting media mixed by home gardeners should be pasteurized to kill weed seeds, soil-borne insects, and pathogens.
Pasteurization destroys most organisms and is done by applying heat until the soil reaches 180oF (82oC) for 30 minutes. When temperatures are raised above 212oF (100oC), most of the soil borne organisms are killed and the soil is considered sterile. Gardeners can pasteurize homemade potting soils using a kitchen oven; however, a long-lasting earthy odor can develop in the oven. To pasteurize soil, preheat the oven to 180oF. Then fill a pan with about 4 inches of moist soil and cover it with aluminum foil. Insert a candy or meat thermometer to monitor temperature and place the pan in the oven. When the thermometer reads 180oF, leave the pan in the oven for 30 minutes longer, then remove it and allow the soil to cool. Seeds can then be sown in the soil, or it can be used as a transplant medium for seedlings.
Sterilize Containers and Tools
Efforts to pasteurize soil are in vain if contaminated tools, seed flats, or pots are used. Each should be disinfected by soaking it for 30 minutes in a 10% solution of chlorine bleach (one part bleach and nine parts water). Tools and containers should then be rinsed and allowed to dry before using them again.
Pre-sterilized Potting Soil or Soilless Mix and Containers
Instead of pasteurizing soil in the kitchen, most gardeners have chosen to purchase either presterilized, ready-mixed potting soil or sterile soilless mix. In addition, new plastic or fiber disposable trays and sterilizing previously used containers.

Prepared by Phyllis Lamont, consumer horticulture center library coordinator, Kathleen M. Kelley, assistant professor of consumer horticulture and James C. Sellmer, associate professor of ornamental horticulture

My two cents: If you google search you will find plenty of commercial gardening operations that all pasteurize the soil. That's why I started doing it. I looked for potting soil that was already pasteurized, I couldn't find any on the market.

They don't seem to be worried about killing any beneficial microbes. Neither am I.

Incidentally, I am having the best results I've ever had, after pasteurizing the soil. But that's totally anecdotal.
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This is from Penn State University Extension Service:

How to Pasteurize Medium and Sterilize Containers and Tools

To increase the survival rate for seedlings during germination, containers and tools should be sterilized and pasteurized or sterile soilless mixes should be used as growing medium.

Seeds need adequate moisture and optimum temperatures for germination, but these conditions also encourage the spread of disease. To increase the survival rate for seedlings during germination, containers and tools should be sterilized and pasteurized or sterile soilless mixes should be used as growing medium.
Damping-off
One potential problem for gardeners who germinate seeds at home is damping-off, a fungus disease that infects seedlings. It is caused by pathogens such as Pythium, Rhizoctonia and Fusarium and its symptoms include the browning of stems at the soil line. Stems then shrivel, plants topple over, and seedlings die. Infection spreads rapidly, killing most of the seedlings in a tray or flat. Although it is more of a problem on over-watered seedlings in poorly drained soils, even seedlings in medium that drains well can become infected. Thus, it is important to start clean by disinfecting all tools and flats, as well as pasteurizing potting medium or using sterile soilless media to reduce the possibility of damping-off. For more information, refer to the fact sheet entitled: Damping-off of Seeds, Seedlings, and Cuttings .
Pasteurizing Medium
Potting media mixed by home gardeners should be pasteurized to kill weed seeds, soil-borne insects, and pathogens.
Pasteurization destroys most organisms and is done by applying heat until the soil reaches 180oF (82oC) for 30 minutes. When temperatures are raised above 212oF (100oC), most of the soil borne organisms are killed and the soil is considered sterile. Gardeners can pasteurize homemade potting soils using a kitchen oven; however, a long-lasting earthy odor can develop in the oven. To pasteurize soil, preheat the oven to 180oF. Then fill a pan with about 4 inches of moist soil and cover it with aluminum foil. Insert a candy or meat thermometer to monitor temperature and place the pan in the oven. When the thermometer reads 180oF, leave the pan in the oven for 30 minutes longer, then remove it and allow the soil to cool. Seeds can then be sown in the soil, or it can be used as a transplant medium for seedlings.
Sterilize Containers and Tools
Efforts to pasteurize soil are in vain if contaminated tools, seed flats, or pots are used. Each should be disinfected by soaking it for 30 minutes in a 10% solution of chlorine bleach (one part bleach and nine parts water). Tools and containers should then be rinsed and allowed to dry before using them again.
Pre-sterilized Potting Soil or Soilless Mix and Containers
Instead of pasteurizing soil in the kitchen, most gardeners have chosen to purchase either presterilized, ready-mixed potting soil or sterile soilless mix. In addition, new plastic or fiber disposable trays and sterilizing previously used containers.

Prepared by Phyllis Lamont, consumer horticulture center library coordinator, Kathleen M. Kelley, assistant professor of consumer horticulture and James C. Sellmer, associate professor of ornamental horticulture

My two cents: If you google search you will find plenty of commercial gardening operations that all pasteurize the soil. That's why I started doing it. I looked for potting soil that was already pasteurized, I couldn't find any on the market.

They don't seem to be worried about killing any beneficial microbes. Neither am I.

Incidentally, I am having the best results I've ever had, after pasteurizing the soil. But that's totally anecdotal.
 

blueberrymilkshake

Well-Known Member
For seed starting, I
No disagreement. K.I.S.S. But…

I had a very natty batch of FFOF a few months ago. Bad enough to be tempted to go the full 10yards and bake it _if_ necessary

After really good reading material was shown to me on the topic of sterilizing, and realizing in principle you want to just heat it a long time... I’m going half-assed and dirt-cheap, sun is free, layed it out in the sun for a few days for use to do new plantings soon. Let you know how it goes.

On an 80-degree day I was measuring almost 140 degree soil temp, if a heat wave hits I’m sure it’ll accomplish 160. If that’s not good enough and I’m still having issues I want to resolve, I’ll try an oven/bake.

I like dirty dirt, I don’t mind a few bugs, and I love easy preventative maintenance and treatments (planning). I hate the fight of an infestation, they’re preventable. Fungus nats is more a nuisance than pest, no big deal, but it’s teaching me I have a big need for improvement in the media department.

This I found very good reading.
Great post. To be honest, I didn't expect much from this thread, but I tried to keep an open mind and in turn learned a few things.

I've heard fox farms isn't great for seed starting because it's very nutrient rich. Have you had difficulty with that before?
 

Babalonian

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For seed starting, I

Great post. To be honest, I didn't expect much from this thread, but I tried to keep an open mind and in turn learned a few things.

I've heard fox farms isn't great for seed starting because it's very nutrient rich. Have you had difficulty with that before?

I can’t measure mine accurately, but the word of mouth is FF ocean forest _can_ be a little too hot for seeds. Most people mix it up with something else anyways, and that’s what I do with no problem.

And I’ve seen more than two posts from people who think it can be on the hot side, but if it killed the seed then it wasn’t a strong enough seed.

I’m running experiments this year. Adding 20-30% chunky perlite, and from there tinkering with ratios off FF OF, HF, and some sunshine #4.

Some food to feed the noggin this morning that I feel is overlooked by many: FFOF doesn’t have mycohizzy added to it. Show me where on the back of the bag it does, I’ve tried.

Now, airing my thoughts on this, if I want to be cautious with FFOF being on the warm-side, but need to add/amend some mycohizzy, and let’s play the simple-dupe trying to keep it all within the fox farms family of products, what would you use?…

Weighing what few things my mind is capable of considering; I _think_ FFOF is meant to be mixed with like FFHF if not regular dirt in your garden. Thoughts?
 
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