Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

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toy

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Hey interga21 this is my first post. Im new to bubbleponics and DWC and am doing my first setup so I have a few questions if thats cool. First off Id like start by saying Ive read all 18 pages of this thread and its been awesome, also I have read the Rosemans DIY Bubbleponics.
Ive started wrong already, i thought i would need a taller container rather than short but long container like yours. But Im probably gonna down size.

My questions are:

1-did you put a inline check valve in each one of your air hoses or is there no need with the General Hydroponics Dual Port Air Pump?
2- is the GH Dual port air pump strong enough to support two smaller seperate containers, just your opinion? 19L x 13W x 12H X 2 CONTAINERS?
3-whats your take and have you tried advanced nutrients? was thinking of trying their 3 part system.
4-do you have a seperate humidifyer/dehumidifyer or is it a combo with the dual hose AC / Heater? and wich brands did you choose?
5- how are you liking those neoprene inserts for clones? waste of $ ? are they reusable? Do youhave good results?
6-My last qustion for now, what holds down your screen for the scrog setup? the weight of itself? The plants cant lift it

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Im going with a homemade bubbleponics with 8 tit water manifold 6 to the net cups , one capped, and one for my soon to be build fogger.

my Question to anyone is How long do i run my water pump? Ive read 24/7, 3-6 times for 15min daily on timer , or is it personal preference? Is it a Waste of time?
after reading this grow im thinking of scraping the pump and just using the fogger with the DWC setup.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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toy said:
Hey interga21 this is my first post. Im new to bubbleponics and DWC and am doing my first setup so I have a few questions if thats cool. First off Id like start by saying Ive read all 18 pages of this thread and its been awesome, also I have read the Rosemans DIY Bubbleponics.
Ive started wrong already, i thought i would need a taller container rather than short but long container like yours. But Im probably gonna down size.

My questions are:

1-did you put a inline check valve in each one of your air hoses or is there no need with the General Hydroponics Dual Port Air Pump?
-No, I dont have check valves. You only need check valves for safety incase of a power outage if your pumps are below your resivor. I simply mounted mine on the wall behind the tubs above the nutrient level and dont have to worry about flooding my pumps or check valves.
2- is the GH Dual port air pump strong enough to support two smaller seperate containers, just your opinion? 19L x 13W x 12H X 2 CONTAINERS?
-Yes the pump is pleanty strong to run in a couple of tubs of that size, but more air is better. You can still get outstanding results and growth with the air from a single, but if its just a money issue, I would add atleast another one when you finish your first grow and plan ahead by setting your tubs up to handle more air on the initial build so that you just have to add the stones and hook up the pump later. I have made a few observations on this first being, the more shallow your tubs are the more air you are going to want, it is a good idea to have an air stone under each netpot/plant, and my basic rule of thumb, there is no such thing as too much air when it comes to dwc.
3-whats your take and have you tried advanced nutrients? was thinking of trying their 3 part system.
-I have never personally used them, and you use a lot of nutrients with dwc, so I did the math and figured no mater how good they were, it wouldnt be cost effective in the end. Im sure you already know, but I use the Technaflora line-up and love them. THey are right in the middle as far as cost with all of the name brand nutrients, and since they are an all chemical nutrient line-up, there in no need to circulate the nutrients and you dont get anywhere near the amout of slime and sludge in your res that you get as soon as you add organics. Chemical nutrients really are a godsend when it comes to dwc.
4-do you have a seperate humidifyer/dehumidifyer or is it a combo with the dual hose AC / Heater? and wich brands did you choose?
-I have a small coolmist humidifier that I use when the plants are tiny and first put into the room if the rh is below 40%, but I have never had to use it for more than a week with the new setup. The a/c does dehumidify when it runs, but it is typically only on for 1-2 minutes about 5 times an hour. Im just lucky and my rh holds pretty good between 45-55%.
5- how are you liking those neoprene inserts for clones? waste of $ ? are they reusable? Do youhave good results?
-I love them. I actually only use them once, but throughout the entire life of the plant that gets put in them. From cutting to harvest. It might sound like a waste, but now I use nothing but a netpot and a neprene insert. The hydrotron has been completely phased out of my system. So I save money not buying any hydrotron, and I dont get the clay sediment in the bottom of my res, and my ph is more stable. I also dont have to deal with the preping of it anymore or rinsing it when Im done, so yes, in my opinion, the neoprene is totally worth it.
6-My last qustion for now, what holds down your screen for the scrog setup? the weight of itself? The plants cant lift it
-The plants themselves. My screen is attached to the back wall with zipties with the small mounting eyelet. They dont really hold it down, but more so just at the right level. As you start to train your plants into the screen, they tend to go through the openings in the screen at an angle. This effect causes the branches to hold down the screen on their own. If you dont stay on top of training your girls during the stretch, I could see that they might raise the screen an inch or two, but I havent seen it hapen yet. So the short answer is nothing anchors it, it just hangs from the ceiling above my res.
PS

Im going with a homemade bubbleponics with 8 tit water manifold 6 to the net cups , one capped, and one for my soon to be build fogger.

my Question to anyone is How long do i run my water pump? Ive read 24/7, 3-6 times for 15min daily on timer , or is it personal preference? Is it a Waste of time?
after reading this grow im thinking of scraping the pump and just using the fogger with the DWC setup.
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I have seen people use bubbleponics with great results, but to me, dwcc is way simpler, cheaper, and has less inherant problems because of the simplicity. As long as you run enough air, you can fill your res to the point where the net pots are a little over 50% submerged under water and have absolutely no problems. My grow is proof. The bottom of my net pots are submersed for the entire grow(about 40%).

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. I hope this helps and thanks for stopping by. And good luck with your upcoming grow.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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Piss & Blue Kush Day 52 of 12/12
Rm Temp 79F
RH 55%
CO2 PPM 1450
Res Temp 68-71F
PH 5.5-6.2
PPM's 350-700





Blue Kush Bud Porn





Piss Bud Porn













If you didnt notice, Im starting to get a little purple on the Piss. I dont know if its from the strain or the snowstorm.The buds feel super dense, like really rock hard. I am keeping an eye on the trichs, and I expect the Piss to finish up in the next about 2 weeks. The Blue Kush is finally starting to put on the weight a little. For refrence its about 2 weeks behind the Piss. Hope you enjoyed the pics and if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
 
Integra21

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I did my breeding experiment yesterday. I collected pollen, which was a lot harder than I though it was going to be. I read to just hold a piece of paper inder a branch and shake it and you shoud get tons of pollen, but that wasnt the case at all. I had about 10% of the pods open, but when I shook it nothing fell. Then I read somemore and the said to wrap a bag around the branch and just let it fall and you should have a lot in a few days, but it got all moist in the bag and I didnt notice any pollen and if there was any it would have been contaminated by the moisture, so I finally just broke the main stalk and left the plant haanging over a shelf I wapped in mylar, let pollen fall on it for 2 days, and then just scrapped it into a film canister with a piece of paper. From there I got my supplies to pollinate my Blue Kush that are growing in the flower room(Brown paper bag, scissors, duct tape, pollen in film canister, and a paint brush).

I went in and made almost an envelope around the 2 branches I wanted to pollinate with the paper bag and tape...


Then I shut off all air movement in the room(1 fixed fan, 2 oscillating, and the a/c) Then I carefully opened up the film case on dipped the tim of the brush into the pollen and applied it to the pistils...

I was very careful not to make any jerky movements while handling the pollen and brush, but Im sure a coule of grains of the pollen might have gotten loose, but I wont know for sure until after the harvest. Then I carefully taped the bags shut making sure to move them as little as possible(wasnt easy, there has to be a better way)and have left them for the night. I also left all of the fans off but turned the a/c back on. I plan on leaving the buds wrapped for 2 days and then opening the "envelopes" and spraying them down with water to ensure the pollen wont pread once opened. At that Point I will turn the fans back on.


This was my first attempt a breeding so any input, critisism, or comments would be much appreciated. I hope I did it good enough to work, but I wont know for a few more weeks. I will be sure to update about it at harvest to let you know how the ones I did turned out and if I accidentally pollinated anything else. If anyone has a better way of doing this, I would love to hear about it, It was a lot more difficult to do than I expected, Im sure a dedicated room for such things would be much better, but thats not an option right now. But it might have been easier if I wasnt royally f'ed up on hash cookies when I did it, but who knows...
 
Integra21

Integra21

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]Piss & Blue Kush Day 61 of 12/12
Rm Temp 80F
CO2 ppm 1500
RH 50%
PH 5.5-6.3
PPMs 350-700
Res Temp 67-71F





Some Blue Kush Bud Porn











The Piss Bud Porn
















And as promised, Here's the ghetto flower room I built to flower my males,


The Kolossus Male

The Madonna clone for sexing/breeding

And the Killing Kush

Just for refrence, I did almost no upkeep on the ghetto room. I never ph'ed or checked ppms. I just put them in there, checked on them every 3-4 days, collected pollen twice, and refilled the res once. So for no maintenance in a hydro setup, I think they are doing pretty well..
 
Integra21

Integra21

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Here's my harvest pics. Just finished an figured I'd share. Took 7 hours for 3 people to trim. The buds are the most dense I've ever grown. Solid as rocks. I ended up with almost a full 13gal garbage bag full of leaf trim and I am cutting down all of the lower growth in a few days and will make more hash with it and the leaf trim. From past experiance it looks to be around the same amount of herb(roughly a pound) and I should get about 2.5oz of hash from all the trim and popcorn buds. Keep in mind this is only the Piss harvest(half the room). The Blue Kush will be harvested in about 4 weeks.



























 
KingIV20

KingIV20

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Hey dude I'm just cruising by ur grows and I'm really impressed at what I see! Definitely subbed and +rep.
Keep up the great work!
 
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smertx

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Nice grow dude!....just one thing: you care about your pollen but on the other hand your "Piss" buds are full of nanners/bananas oO?
 
AudiA6Driver

AudiA6Driver

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Damn this cabinet produces some top quality nugs there. Amazing grow and cant wait till the rest is harvested and curred and its all weighed up. Those are 2 600w's in there right?
 
Integra21

Integra21

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smertx said:
Nice grow dude!....just one thing: you care about your pollen but on the other hand your "Piss" buds are full of nanners/bananas oO?
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Is that a question or a statement? The Piss has no "bananas" or any other hermie traits. I think you or just seeing the foxtailing on the buds which hapens to a lot of strains and is more likely to happen with high ppms. Not the case with mine though, its genetic. That is just more herb for me to smoke. Thanks for stopping by. Glad you like the grow.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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AudiA6Driver said:
Damn this cabinet produces some top quality nugs there. Amazing grow and cant wait till the rest is harvested and curred and its all weighed up. Those are 2 600w's in there right?
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Yep. 2 600w's above a 3ft x 8ft screen. Last run kicked a pound per light, Im hoping to beat that this round, we'll see. Thanks for the comment.
 
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toy

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Hey integra, Im back to pick your brain.Im wondering how your keeping your res so low in temp??? I have been putting ice in a zip lock with a weight to sink it to try and lower the temps. But its not bringing it down enough to where i want it. Its getting as high as 79F and as low as 76F. Ideally id like the temps your getting. I do have a slight heat issue but yesterday i hooked up an AC Unit to drop Room Temps. and so far so good.
-How do you keep res temp low?
-Do you use a silcate eg. RHINO SKIN??
-Do you use anything other than Technaflora : BC bloom, Boost, Grow, sugar daddy, superthrive B-1, magical, root66, awesome blossom?
-Im also curious as to the size fan you use to cool your lights? CFM? 4-6"?
-is it hotter under lights at your lid than average room temp?

Thanks for all your help and input as always!!! Iam not worthy........yet!
 
jpdnkstr

jpdnkstr

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Any possibility of a Mg def., I am also growing WW and had the same leaf problem, I was told it was spider mites, overfert etc. ended up being Mg def, I use RO water though, my second generation is looking much healthier than the first mother, I have been adding cal mag+ and seeing good results. Just a thought, I am new to this site, but your first grow looks excellent!
 
Integra21

Integra21

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The answers are in your quote below
toy said:
Hey integra, Im back to pick your brain.Im wondering how your keeping your res so low in temp??? I have been putting ice in a zip lock with a weight to sink it to try and lower the temps. But its not bringing it down enough to where i want it. Its getting as high as 79F and as low as 76F. Ideally id like the temps your getting. I do have a slight heat issue but yesterday i hooked up an AC Unit to drop Room Temps. and so far so good.
-How do you keep res temp low?
I dont actually actively do anything to keep the temps down. When I built the room, I insulated the concrete floor with 1/2" styrafoam insulation board. My room temos get fairly low at night(low 70's-high 60's). In the morning, right when the lights come on, the res temp is usually between 67-69F and by the end of the lights on it climbs its way up to about 70-71F. I keep my room temps right at 79-80F and thats about it.
-Do you use a silcate eg. RHINO SKIN??
No, but I have laways wanted to try. Heard a lot of good things about it. I keep my plants so healthy and shinny with proper nutrients and greatly reduced air flow over my plants. It goes agains anything you will read, but the results can and will suprise you. But its finding the nice balance of not too much, but not too little either. I run my oscillating fans on low speed on a timmer for 15min on and 45min off.
-Do you use anything other than Technaflora : BC bloom, Boost, Grow, sugar daddy, superthrive B-1, magical, root66, awesome blossom?
I actually use all of that but the Root66, just cause if you look up the price of a gallon of that, I dont think you'd want to buy it either. This current Piss run, I added Humbodts SnowStorm Ultra and Gravity. First run with the products, but I like the results so far.
-Im also curious as to the size fan you use to cool your lights? CFM? 4-6"?
I use a 6" Can Fan that is rated at 250cfm too cool both of my lights. There is about 8' of insulated duct hooked up for the whole run. Its layed out in this order, Vent, duct, reflector, duct, inline fan, duct, refector, duct, then exist vent. I get real good airflow, my lights are cold to the touch(reflector not bulb), and it is almost silent the way its setup.
-is it hotter under lights at your lid than average room temp?
It is hotter at my canopy directly under my lights then the ambiant room temp. But under the screen, the temps always stay the room temp. This too might be helping keep my res temps down.
Thanks for all your help and input as always!!! Iam not worthy........yet!
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Always happy to help, I want everybody to be doing as good or better than me. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
jpdnkstr said:
Any possibility of a Mg def., I am also growing WW and had the same leaf problem, I was told it was spider mites, overfert etc. ended up being Mg def, I use RO water though, my second generation is looking much healthier than the first mother, I have been adding cal mag+ and seeing good results. Just a thought, I am new to this site, but your first grow looks excellent!
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It was actually nutrient burn on the widows. But this is a very long journal and that white widow grow was from a while ago. If you liked that, you should skim through the rest and get caught up. I am currently getting near the end of my 5th grow. A lot of shit, good and bad, happended between the first and current. Thanks for stopping by and sharing your experiance though, its bound to help someone.
 
valuablevariable

valuablevariable

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Wow, youve taken growing to a whole new level.
Im loving all the pictures, scrolling through them is like watching a movie of a grow from start to finish, seeing months of work go by in seconds and seeing the results. Keep it coming
 
Integra21

Integra21

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Will continue to. Cant wait to get the new girls(Madonna) in on the Piss side. I skipped updating the Kush this week, but Ill do a good one next week. Glad you're enjoying the show.
 
jpdnkstr

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Hi, I am new to this site and not great with computers to begin with!, I realized that I posted a reply to an old page of this thread(oops!) I must say the journal, grow and pics are of top notch! I need to spend some more time on the computer with you guys and get ideas and really dial in! I am growing in a modified aeroflo2, using 2 600w lucolux(GE) bulbs, lumatek ballasts with daystar ac hoods, I am running a co2 generator,(no water or air cooling) which is a small heat prob, sentinel is supposedly coming out with the heat exchanger soon, this generator is controlled by the chhc-1, I love this unit, it keeps everything in check! I run approx 20g res with a slight temp issue(frozen 2 liters are helping, but are a pain) any thoughts on using one of those 5 day coleman coolers instead of blowing 500 on a chiller, I need to ditch my dehumidifier(which is creating a lot of heat also)and get an a/c before the chiller. Oh I am using GH nutes, lucas formula with a few of their supplements, along with Botanicares cal mag +, Keep up the good work!
 
Integra21

Integra21

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jpdnkstr said:
Hi, I am new to this site and not great with computers to begin with!, I realized that I posted a reply to an old page of this thread(oops!) I must say the journal, grow and pics are of top notch! I need to spend some more time on the computer with you guys and get ideas and really dial in! I am growing in a modified aeroflo2, using 2 600w lucolux(GE) bulbs, lumatek ballasts with daystar ac hoods, I am running a co2 generator,(no water or air cooling) which is a small heat prob, sentinel is supposedly coming out with the heat exchanger soon, this generator is controlled by the chhc-1, I love this unit, it keeps everything in check! I run approx 20g res with a slight temp issue(frozen 2 liters are helping, but are a pain) any thoughts on using one of those 5 day coleman coolers instead of blowing 500 on a chiller, I need to ditch my dehumidifier(which is creating a lot of heat also)and get an a/c before the chiller. Oh I am using GH nutes, lucas formula with a few of their supplements, along with Botanicares cal mag +, Keep up the good work!
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I think you mislead you with what I said. This is a current thread that gets updated weekly. But the title still says 1st grow, but this journal has grows 1-5 from start to finish in it. But from your earlier post, it seemed like you only read the begenning. for the 4th and current(5th) grows I updated my room to be running dual 600w's, in my custom dwc, with water cooled co2 gen, and a dual hose portable a/c. But enough backround info, on to some helpful answers.

One of the most important things you can do is keep your room temps under control. Having them too high effects a lot of different shit. By nature, any temps above 85F will greatly stunt plant growth. Also temps in this range will make your res temps get way to high. If you are having heat problems, I would say cut out the co2 until you can get the temps under control, since it is only making the problem worse and preventing the benefits of it from taking place. Using a cooler as a res can help with the res temp problem, but you will still have to do the water bottle thing. Also getting rid of the dehumid will help with the temp problems, and providing you can setup a proper intake and exhaust, it could really take care of your heat and humidity. Do you air cool your lights? How do you like the GH nutes? I didnt really like the results I got from them, but I have seen other people do better. Good luck with your grow, and I hope this helps. Any other questions, feel free to ask.
 
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