Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)
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Integra21
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Glad your diggin it, I know I sure am. Stick around, the show is only going to keep getting better. Thanks for the compliment and happy growing to you sir.
jpdnkstr
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I am cooling my lights with a canfan 6" HO, from outside the room, I have a y at the intake side of one of my hoods and a motorized damper hooked to the cooling output of my chhc-1 as well as an active intake fan(when the temp gets above 88f the damper opens and the can fan draws air from inside and outside the room, through both daystars and out of the room, the active intake is just a 6" inline duct booster attatched to a filtered standard looking register vent(all airflow is filtered, in and out of the room, I had a slight dust problem in my hoods, and decided to filter everything) problem solved and the HO canfan has no problem with the extra resistance. My chhc-1 keeps the co2 off if temps climb above 88, and yes I do like GH nutes, I had tremendous success with their nova series nutes in pro-mix, but when I switched to the aeroflo set-up (which was like starting all over on the learning curve!), I switched to the regular flora series, I had a few problems with nutes at first, listening to the wrong advice, but finally got a tech from GH that was a tremendous help with the lucass program that I am using-I was adding liquid kool bloom, which I have since cut out due to the burn I was getting(rep at GH says I don't need it anyway using lucass, and the fulvic acids in it were allowing my ladies to suck up too much juice!) I do add florablend and floralicious plus to my res also, I was also using cal mag +, but am switching to magnesium sulfate(epsom salt) once my current bottle of cal mag is gone--waaaaay cheaper! I am very curious of what you think of the emerald triangle additives, I have been foliar feeding with snow storm ultra, and can't wait to try the gravity- when you used these products in your res, did you add any other nutes or not? If not how long did you run them before going back to your regular nute regimen? Thanks again for the advice and the great Bud Porn--are you a photographer by day?, cuz those are some great pics!, I will have to figure out how to work this site better and get some pictures on here(almost embarrassed to post after seeing yours! j/k), I'm thinking about starting my own grow journal, although there isn't much time with taking care of my ill wife(hence the grow project) and 3 school age children. I will say the relief my wife gets from this wonderful medicine is worth all the effort, and I would have never thought of scrog method until reading your journal and seeing the yields(amazing!), so that will be my next endeavor, is your screen 2" x 3" fencing from Home Depot? I like your screen way better than chicken wire! Does the weight of itself keep the plants from raising it?, I was planning on hanging mine from the ceiling and making it adjustable in height. Thanks Again, and looking forward to seeing more great advice, tips and porn!
Integra21
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Glad the GH works well for you. I have heard a lot about the Lucas formula, but never tried it. I do use 2"x3" garden fencing from Home Depot. It works great and is pretty cheap($15 for a small roll, $45 for the big). As far as weight, my 3'x8' screen ways almost nothing. And I originally hung it from the ceiling with string and it worked great. Proper training of your girls in the screen keeps it down. No need to anchor or anything. And once they're trained its pretty impossible to move the screen at all. Thanks for the compliments on the pics, Not a pro, but took classes years ago. Just something that I have always had a knack for, but any ones pics can get better with practice. There are some simple tricks to making them turn out better like using a monopod or bipod to steady your shots, Making sure you're using your cameras macro mode when shooting close ups, and play around with lighting and flash settings. The distance your camera is away from what your shooting greatly changes how your pics turn out from the flash, got to find that close but not to close spot. And you can use the zoom on most cameras with the macro on. If I missed anything, just ask again. Hope this helps.
jpdnkstr
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I went back and reviewed your first couple of pages last night and feel like a fool!, you had the same issue with fulvic acids that I recently had, and I answered my own question about the screen size too! Sorry about that. I called emerald triangle, humboldt nutrients yesterday and spoke with the inventor of the products, a very down to earth informative man, who said he moved out there 30 yrs ago and never looked back, because some of his friends were getting prison terms for 3 plants!-that's a crime!! Anyways, on his advice, I went ahead and added the gravity in a minute dose, 15ml to a 18g res, and plan on running until flush--The advice was to run weaker mix longer and stronger mix shorter time frames (I am in week 5 of bloom). I am running my other nutes with this dilute mix, and checking often for burn(the man at Emerald Triangle says these products allow your plants to uptake the nutrients that you already have more efficiently) which made me a little leary at first due to the fulvic acid issue, so I am lowering my EC during the addition of these products- not cutting them out all together. I am still curious as to how you used these products and the results. I am also curious if you think that the bushmaster product would be effective in a scrog grow? The gentleman at Humboldt Nutrients told me this is his most interesting product- as it can effect yield greatly- he also said there is a sweet spot with the bushmaster as far as dosing goes, and jumping from 1ml pg to 2ml pg you may miss the sweet spot! I need to start a few ladies in isolated DWC buckets to test this product! I also wanted to add that the SSU worked wonders in my clone/veg res as far as feeder root production!(although I can see you don't need a hand with roots except maybe some where to put all of 'em!) again- very inspiring pics!
Integra21
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Yeah, there is tons of info in here, but its a hell of a read(year worth of growing). I Use 1tsp(5ml) each of the SnowStorm Ultra and Gravity in my 5 gal res's. But this is my first use of it, and I have no comparison since I never grew the Piss in my setup before. Using the same mix with the Blue Kush, which I ran last time, so I'll have a better idea in a few weeks if it really makes a difference. As far as the bush master, I can only see it being useful if your screen is completely filled before you want to switch it to flower and you dont want the stretch to over grow your screen, but if you're like me and you use the flower stretch to fill out your screen, I only see it hurting your yields by the screen not getting filled out all the way. But this is only based on the few things I have read about the product and have never personally used Bushmaster. Hope this helps, any other Q's jusut keep shooting.
Integra21
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Ok, sorry for the delay in an update, been super busy the last few weeks. Got the Piss all jarred and weighed, and lets say it was more than disappointing. For it staying in such great health throughout the grow and being the densest nugs I have grown, it came in lighter than my last round. To top all of that off, the finished buds are lacking on potency on an unexpected level. I never thought something so frosty could be so weak. But enough with the complaining.
Piss from 65 days of 12/12
Total Weight: 14oz 6g
Aroma: A very nice mix of oranges, citris, and musk. Has a little bite that almost burns your nose a little.
Taste: Getting closer to the small, definetly citris undertones, but needs more curing.
High: A weak but balanced high/stone, my guess is 10-12%thc
And the Blue Kush is coming down this weekend. I already dehydrated a sample of that and that was as strong as the Blue Kush I have had jarring for 6 months. So Im pretty stoked about this chop. The Dehydrator always kills some potency(10-20%) and the fact that it was just as strong leads me to believe this run will be even stronger than the previous run, this may be due to the SnowStorm Ultra. I am glad its coming down to, I forgot how much the smell on this gorl get out of control towards the end of flower. 2 Cap1 ozone generators in the garage dont even make a dent in the smell. So here they are.
Blue Kush day 75 of 12/12
CO2 ppm: 1500
Rm Temp: 80F
RH: 45-55%
PH: 5.7-6.1
PPM's: 550-600
Res Temp: 67-70F
Piss from 65 days of 12/12
Total Weight: 14oz 6g
Aroma: A very nice mix of oranges, citris, and musk. Has a little bite that almost burns your nose a little.
Taste: Getting closer to the small, definetly citris undertones, but needs more curing.
High: A weak but balanced high/stone, my guess is 10-12%thc
And the Blue Kush is coming down this weekend. I already dehydrated a sample of that and that was as strong as the Blue Kush I have had jarring for 6 months. So Im pretty stoked about this chop. The Dehydrator always kills some potency(10-20%) and the fact that it was just as strong leads me to believe this run will be even stronger than the previous run, this may be due to the SnowStorm Ultra. I am glad its coming down to, I forgot how much the smell on this gorl get out of control towards the end of flower. 2 Cap1 ozone generators in the garage dont even make a dent in the smell. So here they are.
Blue Kush day 75 of 12/12
CO2 ppm: 1500
Rm Temp: 80F
RH: 45-55%
PH: 5.7-6.1
PPM's: 550-600
Res Temp: 67-70F
Integra21
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OK. Its all done and dry and I feel a lot better after this harvest than the Piss. The new girls are in and going great so far, but I'll have more on that in the next couple of days.
Blue Kush Flowering 75 days(3 weeks till pistils)
Total Weight: 20oz 25g
GPW: .975
Taste: Hard to describe, very unique almost floral with a hint of diesel and citris
Smell: Incredibly strong, Also very floral, but without the diesel. Almost intoxicating, one whiff isn't enough.
Effect: Very strong. Balanced high and stone with a very intense head rush for the first 30min that mellows out into a nice relaxing stone. No crash afterwards. It will get more of a couchlock with curing and I look forward to it since my primary use is for insomnia.
Whole harvest isn't pictured(only 10oz in the pic above), but I had friends that wanted some so bad, they wouldnt wait for the cure. But even with no cure, it is incredible herb that Im sure will be a legend amongst my circle for a bit.
On a side note, The breeding project worked like a charm. Everything I pollinated produced seeds and I waited long enough to harvest them. I cant wait to see how my own Strain turns out. I have already made arrangements for a few lucky people to see how it turned out, so stay tuned for that. I have a feeling this may have been my first step into a new side hobby of this one, but only time will tell.
Blue Kush Flowering 75 days(3 weeks till pistils)
Total Weight: 20oz 25g
GPW: .975
Taste: Hard to describe, very unique almost floral with a hint of diesel and citris
Smell: Incredibly strong, Also very floral, but without the diesel. Almost intoxicating, one whiff isn't enough.
Effect: Very strong. Balanced high and stone with a very intense head rush for the first 30min that mellows out into a nice relaxing stone. No crash afterwards. It will get more of a couchlock with curing and I look forward to it since my primary use is for insomnia.
Whole harvest isn't pictured(only 10oz in the pic above), but I had friends that wanted some so bad, they wouldnt wait for the cure. But even with no cure, it is incredible herb that Im sure will be a legend amongst my circle for a bit.
On a side note, The breeding project worked like a charm. Everything I pollinated produced seeds and I waited long enough to harvest them. I cant wait to see how my own Strain turns out. I have already made arrangements for a few lucky people to see how it turned out, so stay tuned for that. I have a feeling this may have been my first step into a new side hobby of this one, but only time will tell.
Integra21
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Madonna(day 1
& Hericules(day 3)
Rm Temp 80F
RH 45%
CO2 ppm 1500
PH 5.7-6.1
PPM's 250-350
Res Temp 69-72F
Despite a small nutrient burn during the first week, the Madonna's are doing great. I am hoping they will stretch a little bit more and fill out the screen a little better, but if not I know to just veg them for another 5-7 days. I have never had a strain eat so lightly. I just saw my first real drop in ppm's today. They went from 300 to 140 over night. Previously, they would go from 300 to 240 overnight. The Hericules went in smoothly and seems to be doing fine, I also hope they are a little more stretchy than the Madonnas if they are going to fill out my screen, but only time will tell. If there are an questions or comments, feel free to post them. Thanks for stopping by.
& Hericules(day 3)Rm Temp 80F
RH 45%
CO2 ppm 1500
PH 5.7-6.1
PPM's 250-350
Res Temp 69-72F
Despite a small nutrient burn during the first week, the Madonna's are doing great. I am hoping they will stretch a little bit more and fill out the screen a little better, but if not I know to just veg them for another 5-7 days. I have never had a strain eat so lightly. I just saw my first real drop in ppm's today. They went from 300 to 140 over night. Previously, they would go from 300 to 240 overnight. The Hericules went in smoothly and seems to be doing fine, I also hope they are a little more stretchy than the Madonnas if they are going to fill out my screen, but only time will tell. If there are an questions or comments, feel free to post them. Thanks for stopping by.
chronichaze
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Damn integra! Great job man. I like the collection of seeds you got going too. Hopefully find some good keepers!
valuablevariable
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Everything looking great as always.
You did an experiment a while back where you cut all the lower leaves of half your plants and left the leaves on the other half. Did you see any differences? (sorry if I missed any result of this experiment)
You did an experiment a while back where you cut all the lower leaves of half your plants and left the leaves on the other half. Did you see any differences? (sorry if I missed any result of this experiment)
Integra21
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Yes, the results were noticeable but mixed. There was a higher weight to the trimmed buds, which really did work, but only ended up with like a quarter more. And with the untrimmed, I ended up getting about 7g's more of hash from all of the popcorn trim that wasnt removed. So I guess it matter which you want more of. The non-trimmed buds also stayed bealthier during the flush, because they were taking tons of nutrients from the lower growth. Thats just a little side note. Pics look a little better at harvest.
AudiA6Driver
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Thats my dream seed stash you got going man, im trying to gather as many seeds as i can also. Im a fan of growing from seed rather then clones, I just like the way they grow
Hey Integra looking GOOD as usual! Im running technaflora recipe for success nutrients in a dwc system based on yours and have a few questions for ou if you dont mind me poken and proding! my dwc is a 12 gal.
Im curious on how you liked the Humboldt countys own gravity and snow storm?
what did you use for ratio to mix ie: gravity 1-2ml per 5gal?
snowstorm 3-5ml per 5 gal?
when did you start using it in your schedual ie: 4-5wks into flower ran until 1wk left then flush? what if i dont know flower length of this strain?
and how low did you drop your other nutrients down to- 0 for 2-3 days then add 1/4 strength nutrients or just run gravity and ss or run with 1/4 (or more or less) nutrients right away with gravity and ss?
I havent bought these products yet but want to. So far youve been my biggest inspiration and coach in this crazy setup, so any input on this would be great THANKS!
Im curious on how you liked the Humboldt countys own gravity and snow storm?
what did you use for ratio to mix ie: gravity 1-2ml per 5gal?
snowstorm 3-5ml per 5 gal?
when did you start using it in your schedual ie: 4-5wks into flower ran until 1wk left then flush? what if i dont know flower length of this strain?
and how low did you drop your other nutrients down to- 0 for 2-3 days then add 1/4 strength nutrients or just run gravity and ss or run with 1/4 (or more or less) nutrients right away with gravity and ss?
I havent bought these products yet but want to. So far youve been my biggest inspiration and coach in this crazy setup, so any input on this would be great THANKS!
Integra21
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Ok, last run was my first run using the Gravity and SnowStorm. If using them properly, you really do have to drop the ppm's. This is how I am currently using them on this run with better results than the last run so far.
Nutrient PPM of 180-350(I start them out at 350ppm, they eat it down to 180ppm in 1-2days, then change res, no topping off or refilling)
SnowStorm Ultra I start at day 1 od 12/12. I use 1tsp(5ml) in 5 gallons untill I see trichs, then bump it up to 1/2tblsp(7.5ml) for the rest of flower
Gravity started at week 6 at 1tsp(5ml) per 5gal and ran for 2 weeks until flush. As long as its a 8-10 week flower, should be fine starting at week 6.
