Balls to the Wall grow, Riddleme Gets Serious

Illumination

New Member
Hey Riddleme your garden is looking great! I am jealous. I am growing in a small cab, 24" w x 15" d x 36" t. I am using a gang of cfl's right now, but I would like to switch to a 200 or maybe 250w CMH. I have been looking for a small balast to fire a bulb like that and I am not having much luck. I also will need a really small reflector to fit inside the cab and still allow for good air movement. The only reflector that I found that is small enough if that sun systems 150w hps, but has the ballast built into the unit. I would prefer a reflector w/ remote ballast if possible. Does anyone know where I could get those items?


Here is the 250 which I would recommend over the 150 as it will also run hps bulb as well as it is a retrofit designed for the hps ballasts. The 150 will require a pulse start and more expensive ballast. Here's a great deal...

http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=47994

And for the bulb...

http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmed18.htm

They are offering a free philips hps bulb with the purchase of a cmh bulb.

Hope that helps...

Namaste':eyesmoke:
 

bobhamm

Active Member
any 250 watt HPS ballast(s50) will fire a 250 watt cmh bulb, I dont think there are 200 watt, next size down is 150 watt cmh which needs a m142/m102 pulse start metal halide ballast.
 

Danielsgb

Well-Known Member
Hey Riddleme your garden is looking great! I am jealous. I am growing in a small cab, 24" w x 15" d x 36" t. I am using a gang of cfl's right now, but I would like to switch to a 200 or maybe 250w CMH. I have been looking for a small balast to fire a bulb like that and I am not having much luck. I also will need a really small reflector to fit inside the cab and still allow for good air movement. The only reflector that I found that is small enough if that sun systems 150w hps, but has the ballast built into the unit. I would prefer a reflector w/ remote ballast if possible. Does anyone know where I could get those items?
Not sure where to get the remote ballast, but I make my own instead. Gumball and I both have them in a PC. I use the 150W in my Fridge grow chamber too. Do you do DIY stuff? A remote ballast isn't too hard to make. I'd say the 150W would be good for 2.5 sq. ft. All CMH under the 250W Don't use the HPS. They use a Pulse Start Metal Halide. If you need help let me know. I'm sure Gumball would help too. Ballast kit for the 150W is around $50. Fitting stuff in small cabinets can be hard.
Daniels:blsmoke:
 

bobhamm

Active Member
Here is the 250 which I would recommend over the 150 as it will also run hps bulb as well as it is a retrofit designed for the hps ballasts. The 150 will require a pulse start and more expensive ballast. Here's a great deal...

http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=47994
beat me to it :) , that is a good deal and that reflector will fit in your box, I kinda wish they sold that reflector seperately... only avail as a pkg deal
 
Thanks for the fast replies guys. I like the package that illumination linked, 117 bucks for everything i need except for the cmh bulb.

Daniels, ya am a DIY'er. I am a contractor, so I am a pretty handy guy. I might still consider the 150w over the 250w. I like the idea of more light, but would a 250 be too much light in such a little space? Right now I have 241 actual watts of cfl in there. I guess the only way to really know is to get a light intensity meter.

I would like to make a decision soon, because I am only going to veg for 1 more week and then its flower time.
 

Danielsgb

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the fast replies guys. I like the kit package that illumination linked, 117 bucks for everything i need except for the cmh bulb.

Daniels, ya am a DIY'er. I am a contractor, so I am a pretty handy guy. I might still consider the 150w over the 250w. I like the idea of more light, but would a 250 be too much light in such a little space? Right now I have 241 actual watts of cfl in there. I guess the only way to really know is to get a light intensity meter.

I would like to make a decision soon, because I am only going to veg for 1 more week and then its flower time.
I'm not sure of the temp on a 250W vs. the 150W. Either way you'll love the CMH. Here's the one I make.
http://speedyseedz.com/forum/showthread.php?885-DIY-Remote-Ballast-and-Timer
Daniels:blsmoke:
 

Illumination

New Member
Thanks for the fast replies guys. I like the package that illumination linked, 117 bucks for everything i need except for the cmh bulb.

Daniels, ya am a DIY'er. I am a contractor, so I am a pretty handy guy. I might still consider the 150w over the 250w. I like the idea of more light, but would a 250 be too much light in such a little space? Right now I have 241 actual watts of cfl in there. I guess the only way to really know is to get a light intensity meter.

I would like to make a decision soon, because I am only going to veg for 1 more week and then its flower time.

Check this out:

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/349293-myth-busters-s-light.html

As you can see the 250 watt will not be too much...hope it helps

Namaste':eyesmoke:
 

gumball

Well-Known Member
The 250 won't be too much light for your space really, but the heat may be too much if it is not vented well. CMH are suppose to be cooler, but not a lot. I think if you can do a remote ballast, and cooltube it well, the 250 may work. Its a hard call.
 

Danielsgb

Well-Known Member
I also posted some good links and info in the CMH group. Let us know if you need more help.
The 250 won't be too much light for your space really, but the heat may be too much if it is not vented well. CMH are suppose to be cooler, but not a lot. I think if you can do a remote ballast, and cooltube it well, the 250 may work. Its a hard call.
I knew you'd chip in.:mrgreen: It's the heat that made me think 150W. It is a hard call.
Daniels:blsmoke:
 
The 250 won't be too much light for your space really, but the heat may be too much if it is not vented well. CMH are suppose to be cooler, but not a lot. I think if you can do a remote ballast, and cooltube it well, the 250 may work. Its a hard call.
I like the idea of using the 250 as well. I won't know about the heat though until I buy it so that kind of sucks. Right now I have 7 cfls in there: 1 65w, 2 42w, & 4 23w. I know cfls don't put off much heat, but when you have a bunch they do add a noticeable amount of heat.

I have a s&p 125 inline fan for exhaust and a passive intake. The fan has a high and low setting, 149/197 cfm. I have a phresh carbon scrubber that calls for a 150cfm fan max. So hopefully i can keep it cool in there with the 250w, w/ the fan on low so I do not exceed the filters recommended cfm.

It stays at 75 degrees right now with the current setup. I guess the only way to find out if the 250 will work is to give it a shot.
 

gumball

Well-Known Member
I don't think the 250 will push it too far past 85f. I went from 104 watts of CFL in a PC to a 100 watt CMH with ballast inside the case. I think the most I have been at was 10 degrees above ambient, so about 87f. I have made some adjustments and it now runs 82-84. I know this is different, but at least it will give you an idea.
 

bobhamm

Active Member
I like the idea of using the 250 as well. I won't know about the heat though until I buy it so that kind of sucks. Right now I have 7 cfls in there: 1 65w, 2 42w, & 4 23w. I know cfls don't put off much heat, but when you have a bunch they do add a noticeable amount of heat.

I have a s&p 125 inline fan for exhaust and a passive intake. The fan has a high and low setting, 149/197 cfm. I have a phresh carbon scrubber that calls for a 150cfm fan max. So hopefully i can keep it cool in there with the 250w, w/ the fan on low so I do not exceed the filters recommended cfm.

It stays at 75 degrees right now with the current setup. I guess the only way to find out if the 250 will work is to give it a shot.
I have a td100 that keeps my 24x24x60" cab reasonably cool(mid 80s 2 feet above canopy) with a diy carbon filter so that should be plenty to keep your cab cool, however remember that if you use a cooltube or any glass it will stop the UVB which is one of the niceties of CMH bulbs, but you would still retain the full spectrum of visible light which is its main plus
 

Illumination

New Member
I like the idea of using the 250 as well. I won't know about the heat though until I buy it so that kind of sucks. Right now I have 7 cfls in there: 1 65w, 2 42w, & 4 23w. I know cfls don't put off much heat, but when you have a bunch they do add a noticeable amount of heat.

I have a s&p 125 inline fan for exhaust and a passive intake. The fan has a high and low setting, 149/197 cfm. I have a phresh carbon scrubber that calls for a 150cfm fan max. So hopefully i can keep it cool in there with the 250w, w/ the fan on low so I do not exceed the filters recommended cfm.

It stays at 75 degrees right now with the current setup. I guess the only way to find out if the 250 will work is to give it a shot.
Definitely wanna use cool tube or a bake a round (ol' DIY Dapper Dan style) with as much air flow through it, or sucking the air from the top with air inlet from the bottom should take care of heat as the cmh the heat is directed 95% upwards if I recall correctly and the 250 htg setup looks like a decent small adjustable reflector...My two cents for what it is worth..

Namaste':peace:
 

Illumination

New Member
I have a td100 that keeps my 24x24x60" cab reasonably cool(mid 80s 2 feet above canopy) with a diy carbon filter so that should be plenty to keep your cab cool, however remember that if you use a cooltube or any glass it will stop the UVB which is one of the niceties of CMH bulbs, but you would still retain the full spectrum of visible light which is its main plus
Depends on which cooltube or glass used...some will allow almost 60% of the uvb through...But I would prefer open fixtures as well...just remember if it is on and a drop of liquid hits it chances are the glass outer bulb may crack or break so extreme care will be needed in such a small confined space

Namaste':peace:
 

Comando

Member
Yea RME....put some damn flower pics up already...haha.... I had a question but forgot it...(tested one of my girls that is a week out SUPER STONEY) yea cheifs were looking DAMN good, those mother fuckers got some wheels on em cus nobody was catchin them...I had to read the make it rain thread just for a brush up...O i recall now.. Since you say when you make it rain, it puts the plants to sleep and then when they wake up they are in Turbo wick mode....Do you water in the morining ( before lights go on) and let them wake up to the light going on??? Holler back homie...Sub'd and +rep cus i RE-read all your shit its so damn helpful...TO ALL NOOBS...EASY ON THE NUTES
 
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