Banning Plastic Shopping Bags

Samwell Seed Well

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^^^^You're right because "you're right", insult, insult, insult, insult, insult, insult, insult, insult, then state I AM an asistant? How does my ridicule of your self serving assumptions lend them any credence? The views on race and politics you falsely ascribe to me are no more valid than your self serving "interpretations" You try to dismiss my statements by falsely claiming I am a racist, but can't actually argue with what I say, just with statements you falsely claim I said. I don't claiming being incarcerated as an achievement, while you do, and I'm low class? Get real. Not a single capital letter in your whole post. Who does that remind me of?
ya low class . . . .am i not speaking plainly enough for the department janitor to understand

the fact that you cant see past my inability and unneeded spelling or grammar corrections .. also speaks volumes on the dubiousness of your intelligence . . . . .

aka the janitor
 

UncleBuck

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Stormfront red, anything more to say about your disdain for afro american preachers taking their parishioners to vote? :lol:
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Go ahead and ban plastic bags. I rather use paper.
I like to use the paper ones in the winter ... I segregate my burn trash into them. In the summer it's all plastic ... I seem to remember that the environmental cost (incl. energy of manufacture and of course the papermill's effluent stream) of plastic is lower. The amount of material in today's plastic bag is tiny. cn
 

doublejj

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I like to use the paper ones in the winter ... I segregate my burn trash into them. In the summer it's all plastic ... I seem to remember that the environmental cost (incl. energy of manufacture and of course the papermill's effluent stream) of plastic is lower. The amount of material in today's plastic bag is tiny. cn
Yeah, but trees are prettier, than oil wells!
 

Saltrock

Active Member
more likely 30 years from now the same story will be circulating with the same doomsday scenarios, and nobody will be able to explain why it didnt happpen last time. like why we didnt have that new ice age predicted in the 70's instead we had "global warming" untilll the trend reversed again and now we have "global climate we dont even know whats going on but we recommend abject panic change"
You may be right nothing may never come of it. But if you are wrong then we are fucked.

but it's YOUR choice. if somebody passes legislation that bans cloth bags as a health risk, will you switch to the "safer" paper sacks because they demand it? but then, what about the trees? now you must buy a $50 steel mesh bag every time you buy anything, and return them for a $20 deposit so they can be sanitized in an autoclave and be re-used?
Well they are trying to ban plastic not based on health risks for humans(Although plastic breaking down in to micro particles and being absorbed in to fish is a health risk), more so on environmental impact. They take so long to decompose and when it does decompose it becomes more dangerous to the environment. If they told me some how cloth bags are a health risk to me or the environment, I guess I would look for other alternatives. Most of the paper bags now days are 40-60 % recycled material and the rest coming from sustainable forests. I call bums mother natures little helpers, Saving earth one can at a time. lol

the entire eco-movement is based on outright lies crafted "for your own good" like:
Silent Spring. the book that started it all, 100% fiction disguised as real science. it took 20 years before that shit was discredited but it's still part of the syllabus today.
The Population Bomb: more pure fiction,, the author invented every single datapoint, and still didnt get the math right. according to this turd, the earth now has 250 billion people and we have to eat babies to stay alive.
Earth In The Balance: al gore before he became a movie star. the earth will be doomed if we dont ban the internal combustion engine within 10 years... 20 years ago.
and many many more.
I understand how you would react when something new comes up that is is based on the environment or health. But you can't think everybody is wrong all the time. People lived under high output power lines for years and thought there was no problem. Until they discovered the cancer rate was high. Or the banning of sassafrass, people thought it was fine, until they found it gives cancer to lab rats. My point is, just cause something doesn't feel like it is effecting you now, doesn't mean it is not effect you. I also understand just cause something doesn't feel like it's effecting doesn't mean it is.

you can gold pan anyplace in america, but your odds are low if you dont know where to look or how to find the gold. plus its mostly gonna be flake and dust, not fat nuggets. what state you in?
From nothern cali, but live in southern cali now. I also watch bering sea gold. I would do either. But going in the ocean sucking up dirt seems cheaper then going about it on land. lets hit up the klondike and get rich lol.

most people who sail through it dont even realize it's there. almost all of the big stuff gets kicked out and winds up making landfall. the stuff captain planet was whinging on was tiny flakes of plastic drifting between thermal layers, its not even on the surface where sunlight breaks it down into component molecules, or where the wind can send it to shore. youll find more trash on a beach than you will in any square mile of the ocean. even a clean beach.
So you do agree that it does exist, and there is tiny plastic flakes floating out in the ocean , just not being broken down on the surface?

Peace
Salt
 

Canna Sylvan

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Doc,
Salty is right. Those reusable plastic bags contain toxic mercury and other chinese industrial waste. It's bad for humans but it's good for Gaia. The new 3 Rs, reduce, reuse and recycle. But the recycle is us, ala Waterworld style.
 

Dr Kynes

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You may be right nothing may never come of it. But if you are wrong then we are fucked.
granted, but careful and intelligent moves are always better than the panicked stampede of a frightened herd.

Well they are trying to ban plastic not based on health risks for humans(Although plastic breaking down in to micro particles and being absorbed in to fish is a health risk),
i have yet to see any evidence of plastice being "absorbed into fish" i i have seen is fish swallowing plastic (which does them no harm, the entire artificial lure industry is based on a fish's eagerness to swallow anything) and a few sea birds who feed plastic bits to their young instead of food, which is NOT harmless, but as far as i can tell, also not an epidemic.

more so on environmental impact. They take so long to decompose and when it does decompose it becomes more dangerous to the environment.
the baby birds fed plastic do not die from poisoning, they die from starvation because plastic aint food, but their parents think it is.
plastic decomposes like everything else, it breaks down into it's component molecules, which are hydrogen oxygen carbon and trace elements, and renters the ecosystem where it came from in the first place (remember oil is old dinosaur shit). very few plastics maintain their status as long chain hydrocarbons (petrochemicals) after they start falling apart. it is the very act of degradation that makes modern plastics safer for the environment than the old school eternal, stable, lasting longer than the universe plastics. ptfe (teflon) is one of those few eternal plastics still in use, but ptfe is INERT. you could swallow a pound of the stuff and all youll do is take a big plastic shit after a few days of discomfort and gas.

If they told me some how cloth bags are a health risk to me or the environment, I guess I would look for other alternatives. Most of the paper bags now days are 40-60 % recycled material and the rest coming from sustainable forests. I call bums mother natures little helpers, Saving earth one can at a time. lol
until you visit a forest where bums have been squatting. or they squat in your feild. or they squat in your neighborhood.
admittedly many of the "homeless' are slightly mentally unbalanced, on the skids, or have chosen the lifestyle for themselves, but these cats are actually the LEAST damaging to the environment (both human and natural) because the outdoors is their home, and they try to keep their shit on the low-low.

the remaining portion are crackheads tweakers, junkies, criminals on the run from thel aw, or just plain shitheels. these fuckers make a mess everywhere they go.


I understand how you would react when something new comes up that is is based on the environment or health. But you can't think everybody is wrong all the time. People lived under high output power lines for years and thought there was no problem. Until they discovered the cancer rate was high. Or the banning of sassafrass, people thought it was fine, until they found it gives cancer to lab rats. My point is, just cause something doesn't feel like it is effecting you now, doesn't mean it is not effect you. I also understand just cause something doesn't feel like it's effecting doesn't mean it is.
i do not disbelieve based on the assumption that every hippie is a liar, i disbelieve because extraordinary claims require extraordinary eviudence, and the claims made, when examined do not match the evidence. when the claimant must fabricate evidence and lie through his teeth to try to make his case, his case is invariably too weak to stand without the lies.

also,
powerlines and electromagnetic fields in general do not cause brain cancer. that was disproved.
sassafras was banned based on one study. turns out that study was fatally flawed. every subsequent study has shown that sassafras is NOT toxic.
it may also interest you to know that "marijuana" or "cannabis" is also not toxic, non carcinogenic and non addictive. despite the claims to the contrary.
when a claim requires lies faleshoods, deception and fraud to make it stand, the claim is not only suspect, it is almost invariably BULLSHIT.


From nothern cali, but live in southern cali now. I also watch bering sea gold. I would do either. But going in the ocean sucking up dirt seems cheaper then going about it on land. lets hit up the klondike and get rich lol.
theres gold to be panned in southern california too. the big placer fields run out north of sacramento, but me and my grandpappy often went gold panning in the high desert, the south central valley, death valley and the mojave. thers gold out ther son. bring a big tub of water to wash your soil in, and dump the damp, sifted dirt back to the environment. you can keep using the same water all day till it becomes mud. it works, and we found gold that way.

So you do agree that it does exist, and there is tiny plastic flakes floating out in the ocean , just not being broken down on the surface?
nope. the plastic flakes are nuetrally bouyant. the bouyant shit floats to the surface and wind takes it to shore, the heavy shit sinks. all thats left is stuff drifting in the thermal layers. from the surface you cant see shit other than ordinary flotsam. the pacific gyre "plastic soup" does not exist as claimed.

the story is made of too many tall tales to be true, and like all good tall tales you cant prove a negative, so you cant prove their story is a lie without tedious and easily ignored science. big splashy headlines, doomsaying and predictions of the end of all life are much better news copy, so thats the story that sells papers. (or websites and shitty fake documentaries)
 

Dr Kynes

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Doc,
Salty is right. Those reusable plastic bags contain toxic mercury and other chinese industrial waste. It's bad for humans but it's good for Gaia. The new 3 Rs, reduce, reuse and recycle. But the recycle is us, ala Waterworld style.
???

the issue is the disposable plastic bags, not nylon shopping sacks. also i use a canvas and leather backpack made in 1937. US army surplus FTW.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Doc,No no.Ralphs gives a credit to your discount Ralphs card if you BYOB,instead of a plastic bag.The ones sold at Ralphs contain so much toxic chemicals and heavy metals, you'll turn into The Hulk and Two Face's love child! See, They Don't Care About Us.
 
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