Bat Guano Use Entering Flowering stage

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goldseeds

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Hello experts, It is my first time to grow indoor and I have about 50kg of dried bat guano NPK ( N=1% P=9% K=3%). I am about to flower my babies they are in vegetative for 8 weeks in 5 gallon fabric pots.

The mix i used is perlite, vermiculite and earthworm casting at 1:1:1 ratio

What is the best way to use this and how much stuff do i add into the mix? Thank you experts.
 
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greasemonkeymann

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goldseeds said:
Hello experts, It is my first time to grow indoor and I have about 50kg of dried bat guano NPK ( N=1% P=9% K=3%). I am about to flower my babies they are in vegetative for 8 weeks in 5 gallon fabric pots.

The mix i used is perlite, vermiculite and earthworm casting at 1:1:1 ratio

What is the best way to use this and how much stuff do i add into the mix? Thank you experts.
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no peat or coco?
that's an interesting ratio
and 50kg?!
holy large bag of bat-shit, batman
so you are transplanting into a pot with that recipe and are asking how much bat guano to add to it?
or are you asking for a tea application?

I'm just curious how you are gonna trans from a fabric pot..
 
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goldseeds

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greasemonkeymann said:
no peat or coco?
that's an interesting ratio
and 50kg?!
holy large bag of bat-shit, batman
so you are transplanting into a pot with that recipe and are asking how much bat guano to add to it?
or are you asking for a tea application?

I'm just curious how you are gonna trans from a fabric pot..
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Yes lol 50kg it's very cheap from where I got it and I live near a bat cave. lol. No coco or peat, just used it when they were in seedlings. I already transplanted them in 5kg fabric pot during the 4th week of vegetative. Plants are in LST now and 12 inches in height.

I am looking for the amount of guano to put on the mix, maybe i can just put it on top of the mix but how much? I'm afraid it could burn the plants. Would 5 grams be enough for 1 plant?

I read tea can be used, but i have organic fertilizers where i can mix in water a 1-2-2 and if i can use it together with the guano that would be great, but then how much guano to add in tea mix?
 
Indacouch

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Usually when I get bat guano it tells me what to use for a tea or to ammend my top soil ....I'm guessing yours has no directions .....is it powder or what. Is it a brand or just bought of a guy on the side of the road next to a cave
 
Richard Drysift

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What I do with guano is add some to my recycling mix and for teas. If you use it globally let it set for a month or so to cook in. I would not try to use it too fresh; compost it first to allow for break down time. I put a handful in my recycling soil bin which is maybe about a 1/2 cup for 4 cu ft of dirt.
Otherwise it's good to add in a tea. EWC, guano, kelp meal and molasses is a good early flowering or late veg AACT. I add a heaping tblspn or two per 5 gal of water for a guano based AACT and bubble it for 24 hours min. Guanos can really up the bacteria count in a tea making your containers super active.
 
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Indacouch said:
Usually when I get bat guano it tells me what to use for a tea or to ammend my top soil ....I'm guessing yours has no directions .....is it powder or what. Is it a brand or just bought of a guy on the side of the road next to a cave
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Yes it has no clear directions, it is powdered and greyish in color, no odor. Bought it and they say they use 9 sacks of 50kg for 1 hectare. Looks a lot like the one in picture
 

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Looks like the same batshit I use but mine is from fox farm. I use a seabird guano too but that's scrictly for teas as its pelletized and had higher npk value than the batshit... Good shit
 
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Richard Drysift said:
Looks like the same batshit I use but mine is from fox farm. I use a seabird guano too but that's scrictly for teas as its pelletized and had higher npk value than the batshit... Good shit
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According to our source, High N value of bat guano is usually fresh guano, the N comes from bat urine. Can we overdose the plants with bat guano?
 
Rasta Roy

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goldseeds said:
According to our source, High N value of bat guano is usually fresh guano, the N comes from bat urine. Can we overdose the plants with bat guano?
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You can totally overdose your plants with guano. If you were top dressing I would do 1/2 tbsp per gallon of soil or the same ratio per gallon of water if you did a tea application. As the plant gets bigger or if it looks healthy and shows no sign of burn I'd go ahead and up it to a full tbsp.

You probably only need to apply it once every two weeks, maybe once a week if you got heavy feeders.

How's the perlite/vermiculite/castings mix working for you?

I did a similar potting soil for a couple plants last fall. They looked healthy but they're growth rate was a lot slower and so was their root development. I also didn't want to mess with vermiculite anymore cause I found out it contains asbestos.

My mixes now are even parts peat/perlite/compost. Much faster root development.
 
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Rasta Roy said:
You can totally overdose your plants with guano. If you were top dressing I would do 1/2 tbsp per gallon of soil or the same ratio per gallon of water if you did a tea application. As the plant gets bigger or if it looks healthy and shows no sign of burn I'd go ahead and up it to a full tbsp.

You probably only need to apply it once every two weeks, maybe once a week if you got heavy feeders.

How's the perlite/vermiculite/castings mix working for you?

I did a similar potting soil for a couple plants last fall. They looked healthy but they're growth rate was a lot slower and so was their root development. I also didn't want to mess with vermiculite anymore cause I found out it contains asbestos.

My mixes now are even parts peat/perlite/compost. Much faster root development.
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Thank you, they are growing quite fast, specially after I LST them. 1 plant has 12 colas and still growing. I also did spray some foliar fertilizer. Organic as well. So i really don't know which contributed the growth spurt.

I didn't know vermiculite contains asbestos, I will try the peat perlite and compost on my next grow. Thanks for informing. =)
 
backtracker

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goldseeds said:
Hello experts, It is my first time to grow indoor and I have about 50kg of dried bat guano NPK ( N=1% P=9% K=3%). I am about to flower my babies they are in vegetative for 8 weeks in 5 gallon fabric pots.

The mix i used is perlite, vermiculite and earthworm casting at 1:1:1 ratio

What is the best way to use this and how much stuff do i add into the mix? Thank you experts.
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that is good for root growth and flowering but you need a higher N for grow you can get a 10-0-0 and mix it with the 1-9-3 to get a 11-9-3 for grow then when they start to flower reduce the N
 
bro54209

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Rasta Roy said:
also didn't want to mess with vermiculite anymore cause I found out it contains asbestos.

My mixes now are even parts peat/perlite/compost. Much faster root development.
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that's nice to know i had a bad feeling about vermiculite anyway, perlite rocks, also i got a sample of white shark mychorriza and it kicked the roots into high gear, have you tried rice hulls?

backtracker said:
that is good for root growth and flowering but you need a higher N for grow you can get a 10-0-0 and mix it with the 1-9-3 to get a 11-9-3 for grow then when they start to flower reduce the N
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hmm i wonder what additives for each phase, maybe alfalfa tea early veg, kelp later veg early flower, molasses guano and some other high phos for flower?
 
Richard Drysift

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bro54209 said:
that's nice to know i had a bad feeling about vermiculite anyway, perlite rocks, also i got a sample of white shark mychorriza and it kicked the roots into high gear, have you tried rice hulls?


hmm i wonder what additives for each phase, maybe alfalfa tea early veg, kelp later veg early flower, molasses guano and some other high phos for flower?
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Rice hulls bring the fungus but if your mix is already fungal dominant it's not really needed. The idea is to have something for the microlife to cling to and perlite or pumice does almost the same thing. Peat based soils are easily colonized by fungal life so you may want to ditch the rice unless needed to promote fungus.
Thing about organics is to try & get away from the formula for this phase or that phase mentality. Teas do more for the soil than they do for the plants. Sure there are flowering and veg tea recipes but the differences are subtle. They all do the same thing which is to keep the microbial life as active as possible.
I didn't know verm contains asbestos either but I've got a ton left over from my myco grows & it's good for moisture retention when you use fabric pots. What else can I use?
 
Rasta Roy

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Richard Drysift said:
Rice hulls bring the fungus but if your mix is already fungal dominant it's not really needed. The idea is to have something for the microlife to cling to and perlite or pumice does almost the same thing. Peat based soils are easily colonized by fungal life so you may want to ditch the rice unless needed to promote fungus.
Thing about organics is to try & get away from the formula for this phase or that phase mentality. Teas do more for the soil than they do for the plants. Sure there are flowering and veg tea recipes but the differences are subtle. They all do the same thing which is to keep the microbial life as active as possible.
I didn't know verm contains asbestos either but I've got a ton left over from my myco grows & it's good for moisture retention when you use fabric pots. What else can I use?
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You could still use vermiculite, it is useful. Just make sure you're wearing a mask. Which you should be doing anyway. I'm not sure what would be a substitute that acts the same.
 
backtracker

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Richard Drysift said:
Rice hulls bring the fungus but if your mix is already fungal dominant it's not really needed. The idea is to have something for the microlife to cling to and perlite or pumice does almost the same thing. Peat based soils are easily colonized by fungal life so you may want to ditch the rice unless needed to promote fungus.
Thing about organics is to try & get away from the formula for this phase or that phase mentality. Teas do more for the soil than they do for the plants. Sure there are flowering and veg tea recipes but the differences are subtle. They all do the same thing which is to keep the microbial life as active as possible.
I didn't know verm contains asbestos either but I've got a ton left over from my myco grows & it's good for moisture retention when you use fabric pots. What else can I use?
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I read that rice hulls have arsenic in them they were burning them in co-gen, I don't know if it would be taken up by the plants.
 
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Hmm never knew that...lotsa peeps say there is arsenic in feather meal and some brands of seabird guano but I got a lot so I'm still using it lol. Blood and bone meal if not processed correctly can have pathogens I have heard but I'm still using that too again because I sourced it and have supplies left. My weed still coming out super dank so fuck it if I get anthrax; at least I'll die high as a mfer lol
 
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goldseeds

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Hello again, i found out now that the roots of my plants are coming out under of the fabric pots. Is this normal? I am about to flower and they are already in 5 gallon pots and I don't want them to get anymore larger. (lack of space)
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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goldseeds said:
Hello again, i found out now that the roots of my plants are coming out under of the fabric pots. Is this normal? I am about to flower and they are already in 5 gallon pots and I don't want them to get anymore larger. (lack of space)
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It's totally fine if you're in cloth pots.
 
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