Beat Thermal Imaging

Mindphuk if you were a lawyer then I definitely would want you to represent me .

blueberry2012 said:

how can you even try and argue with this if you have so called read rays research.

• Police in Haringey, North London, have just begun using a new high-tech weapon to catch cannabis growers
  in residential properties. Two properties have already been raided after a thermal imaging camera detected
  extreme heat emissions coming from cannabis grow lamps (see The Times, 24 March 2006)​

  
  
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I'm not arguing with this. I'm disputing your extended interpretation of what they are saying. You are telling people these cameras can see things that they cannot. If I put a wall between the camera and a lamp, the only reason I can see the lamp there is because of radiant heat will heat the wall. If I vent the heat somewhere else and block the radiant heat using proper insulation, the camera cannot see the lamp. It's not seeing through the wall, it's seeing how hot is the wall.

http://www.onlinepot.org/misc/hidefromflair3.htm

I trust Barry Cooper, a former DEA cop that has first hand experience with FLIR before I trust anything you say.

[video=youtube;sudf5xDIhmM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sudf5xDIhmM[/video]

rite i am sat her now watching pick tv its 21.35 and its showing a bust on a gypsy site they have a caravan with full maylar & properly vented and it was spotted by the helicopter ,explane that ~ ok i will the mylar will get as hot as the room then you can see the heat signature 68 to 78 °F

btw that vids from 2009 in-case you int noticed we are in 2012 things move on like i have said your info is dated

you have to let your heat out somewhere and if it makes your house stand out in a row for example then they will look into it,its not just the lights there looking for as it said in the youtube vid i posted & its just as well your in the us because you wnt last a week growing in the uk

& that flir on that helicopter looks like it was made in the stoneage compared to that on the surrey police helicopter

if you have more than say 3 lights running you are building up a lot of heat that is going to be noticed at the point you vent from

just in-case you doubt the source of info ~ http://cannazine.co.uk/cannabis-news/united-kingdom/infra-red-eye-in-the-sky-helps-police-target-cannabis-criminals.html

yet more proof the police will bust you for fun just off a heat signature ~ UkA MUM-TO-BE today told how police smashed their way into her Merseyside home – expecting to find a cannabis farm.

Cops swooped at the house in Green Gates, Huyton, on Tuesday while seven-months-pregnant Nicola King and her boyfriend were asleep in bed.

It appears sophisticated computer equipment aboard the force helicopter detected an unusual heat source coming from the roof of the house.

But a quick search of the property revealed it was coming from an uninsulated boiler located in the loft. ; Police: Sorry We Thought Your Boiler Was A Cannabis Factory
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=121163

mindphuk said:

I'm not arguing with this. I'm disputing your extended interpretation of what they are saying. You are telling people these cameras can see things that they cannot. If I put a wall between the camera and a lamp, the only reason I can see the lamp there is because of radiant heat will heat the wall. If I vent the heat somewhere else and block the radiant heat using proper insulation, the camera cannot see the lamp. It's not seeing through the wall, it's seeing how hot is the wall.

http://www.onlinepot.org/misc/hidefromflair3.htm

I trust Barry Cooper, a former DEA cop that has first hand experience with FLIR before I trust anything you say.

[video=youtube;sudf5xDIhmM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sudf5xDIhmM[/video]

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THIS IS A COMMENT THATS ON THAT LINK YOU POSTED ~

blueberry2012 said:

THIS IS A COMMENT THATS ON THAT LINK YOU POSTED ~

• I own a FLIR scope. The newer ones have MUCH better resolution than the old ones shown in the video. Still good information. Although I cringe every time he says "FLUHR".leakyspacesuit 4 months ago 2
  
  ( The newer ones have MUCH better resolution than the old ones shown in the video)

• THANK FOR PROVEING MY POINT !

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Wow, I'm sorry but this is a sad...FLIR cannot see through walls at all, it can only detect excessive amounts of radiant heat ray that are emitting from the inside of the home through the walls. It cannot look into your home and CLEARLY see an image of you sitting in your tub washing nor could it see you in your tub growing cannabis. What FLIR can only see is the difference in heat signatures, that is all it detects. Understand now, that everything has a temperature and the more drastic the difference in heat signature the more apparent it is on a FLIR camera. When anything is looked at through the FLIRs camera, it creates an image in certain colors based off the temperature of what the sensor picks up. So say now, outside it's 40F, the air leaving through your wall of your bathroom is 60F, the air surrounding your shower is now 80F and you're standing inside the shower giving off body heat at around 95F. The sensor will then see the different levels of HEAT and be able to create an image almost as if seeing through the wall but it is not what it's doing!! Though it may appear. Now they can ASSUME what this heat image is based on the color(temperature), shape and size of the heat detection but the FLIR camera DOES NOT have the ability to see deep through your walls and be able to know EXACTLY what you're doing. In a sense it does APPEAR to create the ability to see through walls by detecting the heat difference, though it doesn't. Now, if you're running a bath/shower, you will have different levels of heat and the FLIR will notice this but will pass along seeing that the temperatures are normal to the readings of a normal showers temperatures. In which case, they technically can "Know" you are showering at that moment but not be able to "See" you showering yourself. IF, you were in the bathroom alone, the FLIR would then pick up your body temperature and would be able to follow your individual heat signature, a lot better than if the room was hot and steamy. What, the FLIR would notice is the heat emitting from a 1000w HID light in a bathroom, that is because the heat of that light is going to make it drastically hotter in their than your typically shower, in which they will wisely differentiate a hot shower and a grow-op based on passed knowledge and an education. Is that part understood about this technology? Good, then you'd be wise enough to understand that yes, if the heat signature is hot enough they can get warrant to search and it has happen to people whom only had heaters going in their homes. As of now in the US it is illegal to use FLIR on a home without a warrant. In which case, the amount of information they'd need to obtain a warrant for the use of a FLIR would give them access to a warrant for a Search. Rendering FLIR now as a fancy expensive piece of equipment, though still used to help make a stronger case. Knowing this either way, VENT YOUR GROW AWAY FROM WALLS, WINDOWS AND CEILINGS! Do not grow in your bathroom with any HID lighting, for obvious reasons. Use an LED or Fluorescence light if the bathrooms the only spot you can grow. Do not vent heat out random holes of your home where hot air wouldn't typically come from. Best spot would be to vent the air through your basement up your home. Also, know they look at roof top most, attics are a bad idea for growing or venting. If you're worried about heat leakage cover windows doors and walls with reflectix or any type of heat insulation to stop leakage. It's a common thing with any home owner to insulate their home thoroughly to stop heat/cold air leaking and save money. Ok, so now they have CAMERAS out with better resolution, yes but first you understand all this means is that the image is going to be less blurry and present a more solid imagery, maybe a few more distinguished layers of heat. You understand that right? This would do nothing in the advancement of the SENSOR and being able to DETECT heat more efficiently, it's still reading the same thing it was before, now only with more vivid/defined colors and shapes.It is sad that you'd even try to use that towards your argument on how FLIRs can see EVERYTHING through walls, this is how you sound. "oh well, its been 3yrs now and we have better resolution on TVs, so yea every TV show is now better". In one sense, yes the "TV Images" ("FLIRs images") are now better because you can get a more defined image then before. But the actual "TV Show's plot" ("FLIR's Sensors ability") have not gotten any better. In which case resulting in the same exact "TV show" ("FLIR Sensor capability") as 3yrs ago just now you can see a few extra wrinkles, (few extra layers of heat) that have already been there and would have given the same conclusion as before. In other words, you will come to the same result or understanding of that "TV show" (FLIR image) if you watched it on an older "TV set" (FLIR model) verses a newer one. Seriously look up the term "resolution" and give me a theory in which has a rational and logical explanation on how a better RESOLUTION results in better a SENSOR ABILITY to detect a heat leakage? Explain...

gargantuanganja said:

I personally know for a fact that they can see through walls at close distances. Maybe the fly overs can only see so much, but I spent some time with a guy who got busted from a more portable ground unit the officer used. He used his to find the heat signature through the walls at a closer distance. Any way you look at it, I think I'd want the aluminum. Obviously, the technology is used to catch cannabis cultivators and I wouldn't doubt their abilities if I were you.

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I'm sorry but you are wrong that is NOT A FACT! it sounds like you relied on the guy whom got busted to relay you information that appears to be incorrect. Yes, if the officer used a hand held FLIR device it was not so he can see through walls because he can't that is not possible. This grower was possible exhausting his heat from the light out a window or under his porch wear the officer could easily see a heat signature leakage that was abnormal to his neighbors. Now, whether this grower whom was busted, vented out poorly or didn't vent at all and kept the light too close to a wall or window, is an uncertainty. Simply, I can not rely on this third party individual nor can you be creditable to knowledge of this grow. Which, makes this information you've been indulged in not only false because simple...it is false. But in fact FLIR hand held device or once planted on helicopters to look down on a home CANNOT SEE through walls. In turn, you relay this falsified information across this forum/thread misguiding growers with no actual facts or evidence. Just, "I've spent sometime with this guy that got bust..." I'm sorry but I just cant trust that information nor anything from you for accepting such stupidity.