Beginner strains

brandon. said:

Are there any breeders that sell seeds that have anything close to the original?

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To be technical I do not know of the true original Northern Lights was ever released to the world since it was created in the U.S. and then at some point "The Dutch Master's got their hands on it and I really do not know if it was first released as they got it or if they fiddled with it first before releasing it.

When it comes to Cup winning genetics the only breeder I believe to have the original, or at least the closest thing to the original is Sensi Seeds. It is a cross of the only three pure Northern Lights varieties; NL-1, NL-2, and NL-5.

Northern Lights #1 won 1st place in the indica category in 1989. Northern Lights #5 won 1st place in the indica category in 1990. Northern Lights won 2nd place in 1992. In 1993 it took 1st place again.

The 1st place in 1989 and the 2nd place in 1992, both in the High Times Cannabis Cup Competition were Sensi Seeds genetics. In 2003 they won again with a 2nd place "outdoor" Cup in the High Life Cup Competition. The other winners might have been using other genetics, though I cannot swear to it, but Sensi Seeds only claims the three wins, 1st. place HTCC Cup 1989, 2nd place HTCC Cup 1992 and the 2nd place HLC CUP in 2003.


If someone does not mind the possibility of an extra phenotype popping up Joey Weed has an F2 Northern Lights that is supposedly an F2 of the original ... but that would be up to anyone to decide if it would be worth it to them or not. From Joey Weed you get 10 regular seeds for $57.00 (USD - Hemp Depot) and from Sensi Seeds you get 10 regular seeds for $152.12 (USD - Attitude Seeds)

That is all I can tell you.

Brick Top said:

To be technical I do not know of the true original Northern Lights was ever released to the world since it was created in the U.S. and then at some point "The Dutch Master's got their hands on it and I really do not know if it was first released as they got it or if they fiddled with it first before releasing it.

When it comes to Cup winning genetics the only breeder I believe to have the original, or at least the closest thing to the original is Sensi Seeds. It is a cross of the only three pure Northern Lights varieties; NL-1, NL-2, and NL-5.

Northern Lights #1 won 1st place in the indica category in 1989. Northern Lights #5 won 1st place in the indica category in 1990. Northern Lights won 2nd place in 1992. In 1993 it took 1st place again.

The 1st place in 1989 and the 2nd place in 1992, both in the High Times Cannabis Cup Competition were Sensi Seeds genetics. In 2003 they won again with a 2nd place "outdoor" Cup in the High Life Cup Competition. The other winners might have been using other genetics, though I cannot swear to it, but Sensi Seeds only claims the three wins, 1st. place HTCC Cup 1989, 2nd place HTCC Cup 1992 and the 2nd place HLC CUP in 2003.


If someone does not mind the possibility of an extra phenotype popping up Joey Weed has an F2 Northern Lights that is supposedly an F2 of the original ... but that would be up to anyone to decide if it would be worth it to them or not. From Joey Weed you get 10 regular seeds for $57.00 (USD - Hemp Depot) and from Sensi Seeds you get 10 regular seeds for $152.12 (USD - Attitude Seeds)

That is all I can tell you.

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Thanks a lot Brick Top! Awesome info +rep. I think I'm going to try the Joey Weed NL. I can't afford to get the Sensi NL but I'll pick them up as soon as I can. Maybe I'll do a side by side comparison grow. That would be fun. Oh and I fucking love that movie!

If you'd like a relatively inexpensive easy to grow, early flower, medium height try dinafem's shark attack. It's a super skunk white widow cross that I've had a lot of success with. It's my current favorite buzz.

Hammerhead is a great beginner strain... Its a medicineman x white rhino and it needs very little attention... not at all sensitive to nutes stays sooo healthy green throughout flower with no special care. Dank bud

smokeymcpotz said:

Hammerhead is a great beginner strain... Its a medicineman x white rhino and it needs very little attention... not at all sensitive to nutes stays sooo healthy green throughout flower with no special care. Dank bud

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Medicine Man crossed with White Rhino .... so is that Medicine Man crossed with a knockoff White Rhino or what because Medicine Man is White Rhino, it is what Shantibaba renamed White Rhino after selling his portion of Green House Seeds and opening Mr. Nice Seeds.

Since it is not a Mr. Nice Seeds strain whose knockoff White Rhino was used in the cross, and is it the real Medicine Man or a Medicine Man knockoff that I am unaware of, or both being knockoffs?

I do not see a White Rhino in Medical Seed's line for them to have used, so it had to be someone else's, that is unless the Hammerhead you are talking about comes from some other breeder. If so I still would be curious as to what knockoff or knockoffs were used in the crossing of what when talking about original genetics are both one in the same strain.




Mr Nice Seedbank - Medicine Man
Strain: Medicine Man
Breeder: Mr. Nice
Location: indoor, outdoor, greenhouse
Type: mostly indica
Flowering: ~60 days
No feminized seeds.


A proven Medical marvel for those in need of high levels of the most active cannabinoids such as CBD. Almost toxic at times, so handle with care and don't abuse the medicine, man . It has won many awards since its introduction as the White Rhino in the late 90's. An incredible strong genetic heritage stemming from a Brazilian sativa/South Indian hybrid combined to a prodigious-yielding Afghani. It is in the Widow family and a proven champion for the sick and terminally -ill patients. For those who prefer indoors, then expect an incredibly resinous and compact Indica look from this plant. It has an expected flowering time of 56 to 60 days. For outdoors in the northern hemisphere expect harvest around October and in the southern hemisphere by May. The yield should be at least 600 grams a square meter… but be careful how you handle the Medicine, Man!

Family of breed: Afghan x Brazilian Sativa / South India
Breeder: Shantibaba's
Preferred medium: Bio and Hydro, Indoors and outdoors/greenhouse
Expected yield: indoor 600 g/m2 g/h & outdoor 450/600 g/plant
Flowering period: Indoor expect it to be completed in 56 to 65 flowering days.In the northern hemisphere it should be completed by October and in the southern hemisphere by late April to May.
Recommendations: For the inexperienced growers to the most advanced cultivator.
Special Notes: It was also known as White Rhino when it was first released…a tribute to Denis Peron's (art.215) for Medical growers.

Brick Top said:

Medicine Man crossed with White Rhino .... so is that Medicine Man crossed with a knockoff White Rhino or what because Medicine Man is White Rhino, it is what Shantibaba renamed White Rhino after selling his portion of Green House Seeds and opening Mr. Nice Seeds.

Since it is not a Mr. Nice Seeds strain whose knockoff White Rhino was used in the cross, and is it the real Medicine Man or a Medicine Man knockoff that I am unaware of, or both being knockoffs?

I do not see a White Rhino in Medical Seed's line for them to have used, so it had to be someone else's, that is unless the Hammerhead you are talking about comes from some other breeder. If so I still would be curious as to what knockoff or knockoffs were used in the crossing of what when talking about original genetics are both one in the same strain.




Mr Nice Seedbank - Medicine Man
Strain: Medicine Man
Breeder: Mr. Nice
Location: indoor, outdoor, greenhouse
Type: mostly indica
Flowering: ~60 days
No feminized seeds.


A proven Medical marvel for those in need of high levels of the most active cannabinoids such as CBD. Almost toxic at times, so handle with care and don't abuse the medicine, man . It has won many awards since its introduction as the White Rhino in the late 90's. An incredible strong genetic heritage stemming from a Brazilian sativa/South Indian hybrid combined to a prodigious-yielding Afghani. It is in the Widow family and a proven champion for the sick and terminally -ill patients. For those who prefer indoors, then expect an incredibly resinous and compact Indica look from this plant. It has an expected flowering time of 56 to 60 days. For outdoors in the northern hemisphere expect harvest around October and in the southern hemisphere by May. The yield should be at least 600 grams a square meter… but be careful how you handle the Medicine, Man!

Family of breed: Afghan x Brazilian Sativa / South India
Breeder: Shantibaba's
Preferred medium: Bio and Hydro, Indoors and outdoors/greenhouse
Expected yield: indoor 600 g/m2 g/h & outdoor 450/600 g/plant
Flowering period: Indoor expect it to be completed in 56 to 65 flowering days.In the northern hemisphere it should be completed by October and in the southern hemisphere by late April to May.
Recommendations: For the inexperienced growers to the most advanced cultivator.
Special Notes: It was also known as White Rhino when it was first released…a tribute to Denis Peron's (art.215) for Medical growers.

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Yea its from medical seeds.. not sure which parent is the knockoff but what i do know is its a easy to grow nice yielding potent plant
Only downfall imo would be if your lookin for a fruity tasting strain...

smokeymcpotz said:

Yea its from medical seeds.. not sure which parent is the knockoff but what i do know is its a easy to grow nice yielding potent plant
Only downfall imo would be if your lookin for a fruity tasting strain...

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My guess would be the White Rhino is the knockoff. I know of many White Rhino knockoffs but I have never seen or heard of a Medicine Man knockoff.

But that goes to show people how different knockoffs have to be from the original genetics because if there was not at least a fair bit of difference it would not make much sense in crossing the two together.

my 2 cents - Dinafem Blue Hash - I am no Ganja God or super stoner but I do know that this strain is VERY tolerant of over/under watering, heat and light stress, and you can't kill it with nutes. IMO an above average producer that delivers a great happy mind flight with a body peace and calm. A great reward for someone learning how to fine tune their enviroment and skills.

djburns1 said:

my 2 cents - Dinafem Blue Hash - I am no Ganja God or super stoner but I do know that this strain is VERY tolerant of over/under watering, heat and light stress, and you can't kill it with nutes.

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Every single strain that has ever existed can be killed by nutes ... and if it is not at least somewhat nute sensitive than it is the first strain with Blueberry in it that I have heard of that is not at least slightly nute sensitive. Blueberry and crosses with Blueberry are notorious for being nute sensitive ... so reading what you said is a first for me.

• Blue Hash »»» Blueberry x California HashPlant
• Blueberry F2
  • Blueberry Line F1
    • »»» Temple Flo x HTAF F1
    • Temple Flo F3
      • Floral Line
        • »»» Purple Thai x Afghani
        • Purple Thai
          • »»» H.O.G. x Chocolate Thai
          • H.O.G.
            • Mexico »»» Sativa
          • Chocolate Thai
            • Thailand »»» Sativa
        • Afghani
          • Afghanistan Probably Indica »»» Indica
    • HTAF F1
      • »»» Thailand x Afghani F1
      • Thailand »»» Sativa
      • Afghani (specified above)
• California HashPlant
  • »»» California Hashplant x Unknown Northern Lights
  • California Hashplant
    • USA, Kalifornien »»» Indica
  • Unknown Northern Lights
    • Afghanistan Indica Probably »»» Indica

I find blueberry to be a pretty resilient strain and usually short flower time.

the blueberry i grew was from Sagarmatha

Slurpy said:

I find blueberry to be a pretty resilient strain and usually short flower time.

the blueberry i grew was from Sagarmatha

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Was it Sagarmatha Seeds Blueberry Bud or their Blue Thunder or Bubbleberry or DoubleBubbleBerry? I might be wrong to assume but I am guessing it was Blueberry Bud, though all their strains with Blueberry in them are fairly fast flowering. The DoubleBubbleBerry is advertised as being a 53 day strain so that's even shorter than the others, which if I remember right are all advertised as being 60 day flowering strains.

Sagarmatha has top quality genetics and other than their autoflowers, which seem to have a problem or two, overall the line is more stable than most. I wish I would seen more people mentioning it's strains. It seems that not many people on RIU look to Sagarmatha for their seeds and that's a shame. Many people will pick breeders and lines that do not begin to compare with Sagarmatha's gear and then talk like they bought the best, when they could have done far better had they picked from one of a handful of much better breeders, Sagarmatha being one of them.

My only batch was a autoberry.i thnk it was smart going with an autoflower cause i didnt have to worry about it not flowering. It tasted good but i only got about 4 oz off 6 plants . This time i have mazaar and the one in soil is going real good. My friends ai is looking horrible at the same age as my plants (2 weeks) lol

Trainwreck!

Blue Hash & Amnesia Haze very Easy

Brick Top said:

Was it Sagarmatha Seeds Blueberry Bud or their Blue Thunder or Bubbleberry or DoubleBubbleBerry? I might be wrong to assume but I am guessing it was Blueberry Bud, though all their strains with Blueberry in them are fairly fast flowering. The DoubleBubbleBerry is advertised as being a 53 day strain so that's even shorter than the others, which if I remember right are all advertised as being 60 day flowering strains.

Sagarmatha has top quality genetics and other than their autoflowers, which seem to have a problem or two, overall the line is more stable than most. I wish I would seen more people mentioning it's strains. It seems that not many people on RIU look to Sagarmatha for their seeds and that's a shame. Many people will pick breeders and lines that do not begin to compare with Sagarmatha's gear and then talk like they bought the best, when they could have done far better had they picked from one of a handful of much better breeders, Sagarmatha being one of them.

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it was double blueberry. got me 2.5 oz's, very nice stone! i only flowered for about 7.5 weeks.


also i'm currently vegging a Sagarmatha Strawberry D-lite. She's very bushy hoping to flower her in a week or so.

white widow aint that hard to grow for a beginner man. cant be.....im growin it and its my first time. PLUS i abused these WW to the max i tell you. they allways bounce right back up

but ive heard Northern lights should be kinda easy. and its the least smelly one too. (hearsay)

Afghanistan...

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/dna-genetics-pure-afghan/prod_15.html

these were my first grow. my theory was that because they were natural plants (no hybridization) that they would be stronger, and more resilient to my fuck ups. I did have an astounding rate of males, but the females i got now are doing well, no broblems.

at any rate, afghan, pure and simple. nothing fancy, but it's been serving central Asia for ooh 10,000 years now, so i figure it must be good.

I should stress that these are NOT the actual seeds I originally bought. These are the seeds I wish I had bought. I got mine from http://www.amsterdammarijuanaseedbank.com/seedshop/strains/afghan.html at that point I hadn't done any research into seeds, and I've not heard of this company since, and I assume there is probably a good reason for that. might explain the rather high percentage of males, and poor germination rates I experienced. also the fact that i was a total noob then. 4 short months ago.

and about that blueberry. thats one of the hardest strain to grow as its easy to kill with nutes. (hearsay again)
i will continue with my hearsay as i never grown anything besides white widow. K2 is appearantly the hardest one to kill tempwise and nutewise.

Stinkmeaner said:

white widow aint that hard to grow for a beginner man. cant be.....im growin it and its my first time. PLUS i abused these WW to the max i tell you. they allways bounce right back up

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When someone mentions White Widow it is never a bad idea to mention which White Widow knockoff they are growing, as in which breeder's White Widow knockoff. There is the original White Widow that was renamed Black Widow year ago when it's creator Shantibaba sold his share of Green House Seeds, packed up his genetics and opened Mr. Nice Seeds and then are are the roughly 30 knockoff White Widow strains that are the creations of different breeders who made their own version of Black Widow and used it's old name, White Widow, for what they created. Some are mostly indica and others are mostly sativa and the length of number of flowering days varies by as much as 20 days from one to another when going by the breeder information.

Just telling someone you are growing or have grown White Widow is like telling someone you have a dog but not mentioning if it is a Chihuahua or a Great Dane or whatever.

About the only thing someone can know when they read that someone is or has grown White Widow is that the person is not or did not grow the original Cup winning genetics, because if they were or had, for as many years as it has been renamed Black Widow, the person would have said I am or I have grown Black Widow.