Belief Without Evidence WTF?

Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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sso said:
sounds like you are afraid of death and need assurances its going to be allright. (course with a freaky god like that, ya´d be jumping at jesus lol)

what if i told you, you are god, everything is god and you have nothing to worry about?
actually you can infer this from some of jesus´s "teachings" :)though personally i think the majority of "jesus´s" "teachings" are absolute major crap

"ok, there is this dude, he´s got 3 slaves, one slave made him alot of money, the rest didnt as much, ok class, raise your hand if you think you know who is the best slave?"

kinda cant help but think the bible was heavily edited to favor later rulers ;)

doesnt really fit with "if you havent got love, you havent got anything" (all joy comes from love) and lines like that.

the line "i am the way" (and whatnot) could be understood as "become like me (good and forgiving and loving dude that plays with children and is nice to women(fantastic for the times) and everyone)

"heaven is all around you" could be understood as "heaven is here, if you want it"

all great teachings, but the bible is full of crap too and obviously a mix of many different texts, edited to fit the rulers view of things (the poor should be humble and happy with their lot (so they dont stick a hayfork up your ass when you are sleeping))

did you know that when people were not allowed to read the bible (indirectly , they werent allowed to learn latin)
the line "honor your father and mother" was actually "honor your pope, your priest, your king, your lord and your mother and father" ?

believe in god (if it helps you "ye are gods" remember? "you are the light of the world")
believe in angels, believe in the afterlife,

but why the fuck you gotta believe in the bible? ("if your kid misbehaves, take him out in the courtyard and stone him to death in front of all the village")

god of the old testament = "love me or burn! i give you free will! so you can love me or burn!" (love meaning serve me and sing hosannahs to me when i go to sleep)

god of the new testament? eh...depends on what part you read.

but about being gods, "what i have done, ye will do and more"
i kinda think ;) jesus´s message was heavily misunderstood and later twisted too much.

or , it was simply just a mix from many sources, osiris, maybe teachings from buddha (lots of resemblance there)
plus others.

doesnt really matter, if i need jesus in the afterlife, im sure he´s bound to forgive me not worshipping him in life ;)
after all he´s loving and forgiving and im a good man (i dont smack people till theyve smacked me at least once and arent stopping ;) (so according to old jesus himself i ought to be good enough)

or am i ? have i become as a child? well, i play games on the puter :)

have i given up all my possessions? no, cant really do that in frigging iceland (really clever that jesus) without freezing to death in moments ;)
but im perfectly comfortable with just a small house, computer and a nice bed ;)

so im sure we can reach some sort of agreement (happy to skip having a house in heaven if its really nice there, othervise ill pick other lodgings, thank you very much, after all, my idea of heaven might not match his ;) though im sure his is pretty allright :)
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Jeez dude, that's a long post lol. I appreciate it alot man, but I don't fear death at all. I believe that god will end my existence. Heaven on earth is what I really want, but how the hell (hell, lol) can I do that?

Why I believe in the bible? For idolizing Jesus pretty much, the same way people idolize their parents.

The old testament wasn't meant for us, those people were referred to as very evil people. They would rape children and women, steal from each other, and burn children alive for sacrafice to a false god; well god didn't like that very much so he laid the law down on them. The old testament law is fucked up because those people were fucked up....
In the new testament the only two things Jesus wanted you to live by is love god and your neighbors (in short).
I have my personal reason to follow my beliefs, not to sound like a dick, :).
 
Harrekin

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Hepheastus420 said:
Jeez dude, that's a long post lol. I appreciate it alot man, but I don't fear death at all. I believe that god will end my existence. Heaven on earth is what I really want, but how the hell (hell, lol) can I do that?

Why I believe in the bible? For idolizing Jesus pretty much, the same way people idolize their parents.

The old testament wasn't meant for us, those people were referred to as very evil people. They would rape children and women, steal from each other, and burn children alive for sacrafice to a false god; well god didn't like that very much so he laid the law down on them. The old testament law is fucked up because those people were fucked up....
In the new testament the only two things Jesus wanted you to live by is love god and your neighbors (in short).
I have my personal reason to follow my beliefs, not to sound like a dick, :).
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And keep following them dude, more power to you...at least you dont try force us to be like you! Infact, here, +rep for you just for you not being a dick.
 
sso

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Hepheastus420 said:
Jeez dude, that's a long post lol. I appreciate it alot man, but I don't fear death at all. I believe that god will end my existence. Heaven on earth is what I really want, but how the hell (hell, lol) can I do that?

Why I believe in the bible? For idolizing Jesus pretty much, the same way people idolize their parents.

The old testament wasn't meant for us, those people were referred to as very evil people. They would rape children and women, steal from each other, and burn children alive for sacrafice to a false god; well god didn't like that very much so he laid the law down on them. The old testament law is fucked up because those people were fucked up....
In the new testament the only two things Jesus wanted you to live by is love god and your neighbors (in short).
I have my personal reason to follow my beliefs, not to sound like a dick, :).
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well, loving your neighbors and fellow man is how you create heaven on earth, dude ;)

whats heaven? well, the first thing that pops into mind, is that the people gotta be nice there, tolerant of differences, gentle, kind, loving, funloving,joyous, forgiving (and to themselves as well)
(. .personally i couldnt idolize jesus, any more than buddha, if god is allwise, then jesus can not have been him or heavily edited and added to his speech,some of the shit he "said" was awful stupid, buddha was a pretty wise guy but certainly not perfect of mind)
(ghandi comes to mind,"i like your jesus, but not your christians, they are nothing like him")

is that still true? well, not for all of them.

why do you believe god will end your existence?
 
sso

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by the way, mohammed said some doozies of wisdom, lot of crap, but he was actually quite more eloquent and wise than jesus (said quite alot of more helpful things)

(if you ignore all the bullshit (like all the "messengers" before him, he was still just a stupid man, just brighter than the rest of the monkeys with him, had some good wisdom but was also heavily colored by the crap of his time)
 
sso

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personally i dont follow any religion, just am of the opinion that wisdom can be learned everywhere. (and from anyone)

though its best to listen the most, to yourself ;) (unless you are a huge fucktard thats always making mistakes and shitting allover his own life, then i suggest you shutup and listen to wiser fools) (we are all fools, in one way or another ;)..)
 
Hepheastus420

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sso said:
well, loving your neighbors and fellow man is how you create heaven on earth, dude ;)

whats heaven? well, the first thing that pops into mind, is that the people gotta be nice there, tolerant of differences, gentle, kind, loving, funloving,joyous, forgiving (and to themselves as well)
(. .personally i couldnt idolize jesus, any more than buddha, if god is allwise, then jesus can not have been him or heavily edited and added to his speech,some of the shit he "said" was awful stupid, buddha was a pretty wise guy but certainly not perfect of mind)
(ghandi comes to mind,"i like your jesus, but not your christians, they are nothing like him")

is that still true? well, not for all of them.

why do you believe god will end your existence?
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Yeah that's true, love your neighbors and you will find heaven. For the most part I do my duty, but there's always gonna be people full of hate.. Well in "heaven" there is no evil.. That sounds like paradise to me.

Like I've said before, I don't know crap... So I'm not sure if Jesus is necessary for salvation, but I still do respect all other religion, and they all have good teachings. It's just I like Jesus most, IDK why lol. Yeah that saying from ghandi is amazing, it's very very true. I don't even like talking to most Christians.
Like I've needed help before in a time of need. At that moment I had absolutely nobody in my life and was suffering from my depression, I started questioning the reason to live. So I went to a church, after the preacher was done preaching I met him in his back office. I spilled my guts to this guy, all the bad things I have done in my life, all the times I've hurt people, all the times I've been hurt, and how I don't see a reason to live... well he pretty much told me if I keep it up I'm going to hell. That's it, that's all he said. He tried using a fear tactic to get me to join his church instead of helping me. I went to this guy for help and he said I'm gonna burn, that's why I don't go to church, and that's why I also agree with what ghandi said.
If Jesus was around (even if he wasn't the son of god) I know he would have helped me. I mean Jesus hung out with prostitutes and thieves, but he would never hang out with hypocrites, he didn't like hypocrites. Well that's what that preacher and many so called "Christians" are.. They are the ones that need to open their eyes and follow their religion the right way.

I know I'm a hypocrite too, because I screw with girls, drugs, and just everyday sins. I don't reall put up the effort to stop and so I know I disobey my beliefs. But then again I wonder if I'm a hypocrite or someone like the thief.... at least I don't judge as harshly as many religious people do...

Why do I believe god will end my existence? Well because I don't believe in hell in the way modern Christians do.
Why would god punish us for not wanting to follow him? He wouldn't and it wouldn't make sense if he did because he is so forgiving.
Also Sheol was translated to hell, which should have been translated to grave. If you use the original wording in the bible you will find that the burning place they speak of is a place where they would literally burn (cremate) the bodies. And it's a place where they constantly had the fire lit. I believe when I die I won't be good enough to go to heaven, I believe god will send me to my grave to end my existence (there's also a passage where he says we came from ashes and we will return to ashes).

I don't want to insult Mohammed because insulting him would be insulting some people's beliefs. But I have my reasons for not following him, he did have many wise teachings though too.




Lol sorry for the rant. When I get thinking I can't stop typing. I'm pretty sure there's many typos and stuff so yeah ignore that ha. Also my thoughts may be scrambled but hopefully you can understand my opinions.
 
diesel15

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Ezekiel ch. 23 v. 19-20

Yet she multiplied her whoredom, in calling to rememberance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issues of horses

what this chapter is talking about is, it was 2sisters, a-hO'-lah the elder and A-hol'-i-bah her sister. a-hOl'-lah played the harlot with
6 Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses
7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

she didnt stop doing her whoredoms so the Lord delivered her into the hands of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted. they killed her and took her kids, and she became famous of women.

11 And when her sister A-hol'-i-bah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

she doted upon the Assyrians her neighbors, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horseman riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men(v.12).

she increased her whoredoms.

18 so she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my(the Lord) mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.

yet she multiplied her whoredoms(v.19).

so the Lord raised up her lovers against her and they shall take her, jewels, kids, burn her things, and take her whoredoms out of the land of Egypt, and the Lord will deliver her into the hands of whom she hated,

29 And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

the Lord did this because she gone awhoring after the heathen, and because she was polluted with their idols, and basically her sorrows were increased greatly(v.32-34). it goes on and says why God did those things and what the effect of her sins caused. and what happens when someone does adulteresses, whats going to happen to them.
icould tell yall some true stories that happened in real life both my own and whats published in recent articles that show undeniable proof of God, but im not because yall dont believe anyway. yall looking for God a way yall wont find him, and not every person who says they believe in God or is Christian really do. they think they do but they dont. isee it in some people on here too but im not about to say any names. even some preachers dont even believe in God foreal and they will fool many. if you want to know if God is real or not then pick up a bible, start reading, apply it to real, modern day life and ask yourself is this true. seek and know God for yourself that way you'll be sure.
 
mindphuk

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Hepheastus420 said:
Or just point out flaws in different discoveries in science.
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I'm curious Hep, what exactly do you think that accomplishes? Maybe you wouldn't know but scientists are probably more familiar with the downfalls and problems with science than lay persons. You might not have heard of it but one of the greatest blind alleys (IMO) in modern science was the idea of phlogiston. Have you heard of it? I'm sure most science-oriented folks here have. Although I have seen this tactic used, I really don't understand how one connects the problems with science and the veracity of the claim of god. Please explain it to me if you would. TIA.
 
eye exaggerate

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Babylon the great - metaphor of 'prostitution' - SACRED prostitution. Any covenant is a 'marriage'...perhaps implying that you are married to your flesh.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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mindphuk said:
I'm curious Hep, what exactly do you think that accomplishes? Maybe you wouldn't know but scientists are probably more familiar with the downfalls and problems with science than lay persons. You might not have heard of it but one of the greatest blind alleys (IMO) in modern science was the idea of phlogiston. Have you heard of it? I'm sure most science-oriented folks here have. Although I have seen this tactic used, I really don't understand how one connects the problems with science and the veracity of the claim of god. Please explain it to me if you would. TIA.
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If they want to make fun of something he trusts so much and he's just gonna insult them, then I suggest that instead of insulting them, he could just point out the flaws in what they trust so much....


I'm not saying all atheists trust science, I'm saying those who were messing with with diesel have used science to back their claims before so diesel can attack what there flaws...

What does that accomplish? Well diesel argues with these people to try to make them believe. So if he started an argument with them over the subject of science, maybe diesel can learn a thing or two...

So just to be clear, I'm not connecting science with religion. :).




It's better to argue than to just insult them for not believing in god...
 
ChronicObsession

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After reading some of the posts on the entire thread, I got to thinking of something. What about the Illuminatti and the New World Order? Does anybody believe in that? Does anybody believe that Uncle Sam wrinkly balls is gonna implant chips into people so small that it could be injected from an ordinary "flu" shot? Microtechnology has come a long way, and now a microtransmitter can be pretty damn small that you would need a microscope to see all of it. Does anyone here at all know, that the USA government has been working since the cold war on Pyschotronic technology, originally started by the Russians? Yes, that's right people. All the day while those that think about what Buddah to worship or what Dogma to practice, the government is preparing to shaft EVERYONE on a global level, in some more years (and now!). It is increasing today, look up pyschotronics and stop wasting time saying there is no salvation. Because, once you are under the control of the new world order, you may be lucky if you can even remember what Jesus Christ is, if not already too busy following the sodomite new world order agenda. Fucking crazy ? How about you put some evidence in your pipes and smoke it. I'm not going to bother, but you can just crack open a google and look up PSYCHOTRONICS. It's real. Much more real than witches and Durpa and Shiva and ghosts and aliens. Have fun ;)
 
sso

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Hepheastus420 said:
Yeah that's true, love your neighbors and you will find heaven. For the most part I do my duty, but there's always gonna be people full of hate.. Well in "heaven" there is no evil.. That sounds like paradise to me.
yes, that would be exceedingly nice.
Like I've said before, I don't know crap... So I'm not sure if Jesus is necessary for salvationwould you be good without him and other´s example? dunno, but i hope he doesnt need to hold everyone´s hands, poor guy would be busy till eternity :), but I still do respect all other religion, and they all have good teachings. It's just I like Jesus most, IDK why lol. Yeah that saying from ghandi is amazing, it's very very true. I don't even like talking to most Christians. its all the judging and i am better than you attitude (thou shalt not judged, lest ye be judged ;))
Like I've needed help before in a time of need. At that moment I had absolutely nobody in my life and was suffering from my depression, I started questioning the reason to live. So I went to a church, after the preacher was done preaching I met him in his back office. I spilled my guts to this guy, all the bad things I have done in my life, all the times I've hurt people, all the times I've been hurt, and how I don't see a reason to live... well he pretty much told me if I keep it up I'm going to hell. That's it, that's all he said. He tried using a fear tactic to get me to join his church instead of helping me. I went to this guy for help and he said I'm gonna burn, that's why I don't go to church, and that's why I also agree with what ghandi said. yes, fear god, was the "advice" i got from priests as a kid :) even to a 10 year old, "fear your allloving god", was...eh,,,bit off,what else you got? lol
If Jesus was around (even if he wasn't the son of god) I know he would have helped me. I mean Jesus hung out with prostitutes and thieves, but he would never hang out with hypocrites, he didn't like hypocrites. Well that's what that preacher and many so called "Christians" are.. They are the ones that need to open their eyes and follow their religion the right way.
well, that depends, at first he was not gonna help the samaritan because she wasnt a jew ("im only here for the jews")
then he relented and felt sorry for her, so... god was only for the jews? but jesus took pity on a special case? so... either jesus found enlightenment later when he talked of the world and just was antieveryone semite before? or? (personally i think, nothing in the bible can be taken as fact, even if some of it is) many of this stuff is ridiculous put together and really amazing anyone can read this and not see that..
I know I'm a hypocrite too, because I screw with girls, drugs, and just everyday sins. I don't reall put up the effort to stop and so I know I disobey my beliefs. But then again I wonder if I'm a hypocrite or someone like the thief.... at least I don't judge as harshly as many religious people do...
do you hurt the girls? rape them? whats wrong with shared orgasm? (wrap your willy and dont break no hearts on purpose and you will be fine, just look for love, sex without it is shit in comparison)
whats wrong with drugs?
what are everyday sins?
Why do I believe god will end my existence? Well because I don't believe in hell in the way modern Christians do. so you dont believe in a place where god bbq´s people?
and therefore your existence should be ended?
Why would god punish us for not wanting to follow him? He wouldn't and it wouldn't make sense if he did because he is so forgiving.yes
Also Sheol was translated to hell, which should have been translated to grave. If you use the original wording in the bible you will find that the burning place they speak of is a place where they would literally burn (cremate) the bodies. And it's a place where they constantly had the fire lit. I believe when I die I won't be good enough to go to heaven, I believe god will send me to my grave to end my existence (there's also a passage where he says we came from ashes and we will return to ashes). soo,, im basically a clay puppet filled with borrowed breath? here to pass tests and judgements or forever the grave for me?
the jews had many sects, some of them did not believe in any afterlife, some believed in being raised from the dead on the "last day" (mankind being obessed with endings since realising we die)
and others believing in reincarnation (which according to some lines of jesus, he did as well) plus in the year 660 the church council decided on having heaven and hell instead of reincarnation..

so what do you believe? claypuppet with borrowed breath or eternal soul?
feel free to come to my heaven ;)

I don't want to insult Mohammed because insulting him would be insulting some people's beliefs. But I have my reasons for not following him, he did have many wise teachings though too.


follow no man but your heart.



Lol sorry for the rant. When I get thinking I can't stop typing. I'm pretty sure there's many typos and stuff so yeah ignore that ha. Also my thoughts may be scrambled but hopefully you can understand my opinions.
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i had no trouble at all and what rant? we are having a conversation ;)

love, is the deepest and strongest part of you, it awakens with your heart.

love dies for those it loves, if it must, it forgives all. (it just cant be around evil, not for a long time, the hurt is too great, love does not force others to be love, its against its nature)
and love exists only in the living. we are love.

we are just full of crap too..

love is the greatest power, the power to create, to heal.

but if you love someone, you love their happiness, you love their freedom to be themselves.
you´d get sick of yourself if you tried to force them to be something else. (and they would leave, sooner or later)

look at true loving humans? and if god is love?
is actually love and nothing else, then it must be the greatest, most kindest, most forgiving and fantastic being ever, nurturing caring and never bossy ;)

so.

what is hate then? the devil?
so are both just emotions? (i actually control my emotions and can create emotions (yet be controlled by emotion if i let it)
hmm, so, mind body and emotions? emotions perhaps being the holy ghost? :) the holy trinity? :) lol
dunno, i guess there are always mysteries to be solved, but ill be damned if i start to worship that crap and be afraid of it.

 
sso

sso

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ghandi and these guys..

humm, often people try to make something out of them that they are not.

ghandi once slept with a young girl to test his control over himself (meaning he was gonna fuck that young girl (old fart he was) if he failed to control himself)


the north vietnamese government is trying to make a sorta deity out of ho chi minh, golden statues of him, similar to buddha, and at first look, well, the dude looks very enlightened, charming bastards with some nuggets of wisdom, but if you look at his history closer, you will see all sorts of horrible cruelty.

what if that is forgotten? will we just remember his good deeds? will people still kneel infront of his statue in thousand years? will he still be thought of as a deity? (he is by some)
will his books be revered and worshipped?

i dont think so, mankind is evolving, but what other crap do we not know about jesus, mohammed (married a 9 year old) and buddha (former prince(you know what kings did))
?

what is edited out? forgotten? what is changed to fit their depiction as a deity? (quite many of the actions and words of these guys, does not fit a deity, more a bumbling human thats somewhat wise and is trying to share it, but is none the less, human! and fallible!, to be listened to and thought about what they said, but not damn revere them and worship (which blinds people))

like buddha said.

think about everything you hear, feel it out, if it rings true to you, then listen and take to heart.

if it does not ring true then no matter who said it, do not listen!

if you dont understand it, lay it aside for later understanding.

do not let crap you dont understand, control (and ruin) your life.
 
sso

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illumati and that crap?

well, there are idiots in cloaks that do silly rituals to goatgods ;)

and there are idiots that conspire for wealth and money, sometimes in groups.

they are idiots, so they like to call themselves "mysterious" names

illuminati = the illuminated (the enlightened) or something like mystero ordo (order of mystery) lol

yes, and?
 
eye exaggerate

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sso said:
ghandi and these guys..

humm, often people try to make something out of them that they are not.

ghandi once slept with a young girl to test his control over himself (meaning he was gonna fuck that young girl (old fart he was) if he failed to control himself)


the north vietnamese government is trying to make a sorta deity out of ho chi minh, golden statues of him, similar to buddha, and at first look, well, the dude looks very enlightened, charming bastards with some nuggets of wisdom, but if you look at his history closer, you will see all sorts of horrible cruelty.

what if that is forgotten? will we just remember his good deeds? will people still kneel infront of his statue in thousand years? will he still be thought of as a deity? (he is by some)
will his books be revered and worshipped?

i dont think so, mankind is evolving, but what other crap do we not know about jesus, mohammed (married a 9 year old) and buddha (former prince(you know what kings did))
?

what is edited out? forgotten? what is changed to fit their depiction as a deity? (quite many of the actions and words of these guys, does not fit a deity, more a bumbling human thats somewhat wise and is trying to share it, but is none the less, human! and fallible!, to be listened to and thought about what they said, but not damn revere them and worship (which blinds people))

like buddha said.

think about everything you hear, feel it out, if it rings true to you, then listen and take to heart.

if it does not ring true then no matter who said it, do not listen!

if you dont understand it, lay it aside for later understanding.

do not let crap you dont understand, control (and ruin) your life.
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...well, sure, that's the point. Black AND white. (red and yellow)
 
tyler.durden

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Hepheastus420 said:
Dude, they will always make fun of god, the bible, and Jesus....
Just don't let it get to you, it's not your responsibility to make sure they follow god, it's your responsibility to follow what you believe :).

If you want to get back at them, make a thread showing historic evidence that shows many of the things written in the bible held truth. Or just point out flaws in different discoveries in science... or just don't care. If you truly believe in god, you will know that they will have to deal with him, not in a bad way, but I'm pretty sure it would be awkward for them to meet god.
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Awkward like this?

[video=youtube;6gnQz32c5EA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gnQz32c5EA[/video]
 
Harrekin

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ChronicObsession said:
After reading some of the posts on the entire thread, I got to thinking of something. What about the Illuminatti and the New World Order? Does anybody believe in that? Does anybody believe that Uncle Sam wrinkly balls is gonna implant chips into people so small that it could be injected from an ordinary "flu" shot? Microtechnology has come a long way, and now a microtransmitter can be pretty damn small that you would need a microscope to see all of it. Does anyone here at all know, that the USA government has been working since the cold war on Pyschotronic technology, originally started by the Russians? Yes, that's right people. All the day while those that think about what Buddah to worship or what Dogma to practice, the government is preparing to shaft EVERYONE on a global level, in some more years (and now!). It is increasing today, look up pyschotronics and stop wasting time saying there is no salvation. Because, once you are under the control of the new world order, you may be lucky if you can even remember what Jesus Christ is, if not already too busy following the sodomite new world order agenda. Fucking crazy ? How about you put some evidence in your pipes and smoke it. I'm not going to bother, but you can just crack open a google and look up PSYCHOTRONICS. It's real. Much more real than witches and Durpa and Shiva and ghosts and aliens. Have fun ;)
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Seriously?

That's such a tinfoil hat theory, bat-shit crazy stuff.

So tell me, what exactly is the powersource for these microtransmitters?
 
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