Bernie Sanders 2020
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Padawanbater2
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I'm not sure what you base that on, polls have shown since 2016, Sanders holds a lead over Trump in a general election. More recent polls put Sanders ahead of Biden in a face off against Trump in 2020. Sanders has, by far, the most financial support, all coming from small donors. He just won the Iowa caucus after efforts to minimize the win and alter the results in Buttigieg's favor. He has, again, by far, not even close, the most grassroots support in the game. Probably more than any other political candidate from either party ever. If anyone will defeat Trump, it's Sanders.
Same goes for the House and Senate. It takes turnout to win. The only candidate promoting turnout is Sanders. If Biden or Buttigieg are the nominee, turnout will be depressed and there's a much lower chance of Democrats winning. With a Sanders win, more people turn out and vote Democratic.
Fogdog
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A very good example of what you say in your post occurred recently in UK. Ahead of the election in fall of last year, an election that had leaving the EU on the line, sentiment was evenly split between those who wanted to leave and those who wanted to remain. Enter Corbyn, the leader of the strongest party to oppose leaving the EU. As reported in a Washington Post article,
Under Corbyn, the party swung hard to the left, calling for the nationalization of rail, mail, water and electricity, also pushing for a four-day workweek and free university tuition, and heavy taxes on corporations and the wealthy.
Corbyn's party, Labor, lost in areas that had been voting for Labor candidates for generations. The result of the election was a whopping hard loss for labor and a larger loss for the people of the UK. Results were completely outside what could be expected if leave vs remain were the only issue.
As you say, Bernie's empty promises threaten to put Republikkkans firmly in charge of DC government for another four years. It's not the Democrats who will flip to GOP, it's independents who are more conservative than Cult of Sanders want to believe. While Pad cited a poll that he claimed meant Sanders was a slam dunk to win (not even), he's omitting polls that show independents are MORE conservative or moderate (72%) than say they are liberal (24%).
So, actually, a candidate like Buttigieg or Biden do have a better chance of beating Trump. Which is OK by me.
I contradict myself in that I'm supporting Warren who probably isn't the best candidate to beat Trump but matches my values and demonstrates behaviors that match what I want in my president. Bernie's policies match my values but he's a dreadful leader in terms of how well he works with others and demonstrated ability to get difficult jobs done. So, I'm OK with Cult of Bernie's passion and desire to see their guy elected. I just object to their dishonesty.
Fogdog
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FIFY
UncleBuck
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the only person who polls as well against trump as Biden does is BLOOMBERG
Not bernie, you serial lying muppet
Also, Bloomberg has the most financial resources to compete and doesn’t need to take a penny from dark money PACs, like Bernie does
Bernie has proven he can’t get turnout. It was down in Iowa, where he only got half the votes he did 4 years ago
Face reality, padaraper
Fogdog
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This is yet another case showing Pad's dishonesty. He cites polls that he agrees with and then gives blanket statement that misleads to "win the argument" as if that were something worth losing one's trust over.
In most major polls, every Democrat consistently holds a lead over Trump. That doesn't mean they will win in the fall. It just means that Trump is an unpopular president. Example:
Feb. 2, 2020
| Poll | Date | Source | # | Candidate vs Trump | <-- | --> | vs candidate | Winner | margin | |
| President: general election | JAN 26-29, 2020 | A/B NBC News/Wall Street Journal | 1,000 | RV | Buttigieg | 46% | 45% | Trump | Buttigieg | +1 |
| President: general election | JAN 26-29, 2020 | A/B NBC News/Wall Street Journal | 1,000 | RV | Sanders | 49% | 45% | Trump | Sanders | +4 |
| President: general election | JAN 26-29, 2020 | A/B NBC News/Wall Street Journal | 1,000 | RV | Warren | 48% | 45% | Trump | Warren | +3 |
| President: general election | JAN 26-29, 2020 | A/B NBC News/Wall Street Journal | 1,000 | RV | Biden | 50% | 44% | Trump | Biden | +6 |
travisw
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The turnout for his last senate election was 55%. If he's so great at getting people to turn out, why couldn't he do it in his own fucking state?
abandonconflict
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Face reality, padaraper
Fogdog
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With 100 percent of precincts reporting, Buttigieg held a narrow lead of 26.2 percent in state delegate equivalents, the traditional metric by which an Iowa winner has been determined. Sanders had 26.1 percent.
Ok, so, really they tied. No big deal except; Bernie's response. Padaraper isn't the only one who isn't facing reality:
Bernie Sanders claims victory in Iowa caucuses
Ok, so, really they tied. No big deal except; Bernie's response. Padaraper isn't the only one who isn't facing reality:
Bernie Sanders claims victory in Iowa caucuses
smokin away
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At least he has political experience. What experience did Trump have? It also goes to show it's never too late to improve yourself. Maybe we could all learn from his experience. Bernie is also honest which is hard to find.
smokin away
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Mistakes were made counting the votes. DNC has ordered a recount. A break down of our voting system. It's happened before and always when it's very close.With 100 percent of precincts reporting, Buttigieg held a narrow lead of 26.2 percent in state delegate equivalents, the traditional metric by which an Iowa winner has been determined. Sanders had 26.1 percent.
Ok, so, really they tied. No big deal except; Bernie's response. Padaraper isn't the only one who isn't facing reality:
Bernie Sanders claims victory in Iowa caucuses
When you look at the two candidates platform they are very close in details which explains equal interest. Just say it came down to either one getting nominated: who would you choose a sitting President with no political experience or one who actually has experience?
Fogdog
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Did you see the small differences? I'm all for accuracy and that is the one job that somebody had in Iowa and he or she flubbed it.Mistakes were made counting the votes. DNC has ordered a recount. A break down of our voting system. It's happened before and always when it's very close.
When you look at the two candidates platform they are very close in details which explains equal interest. Just say it came down to either one getting nominated: who would you choose a sitting President with no political experience or one who actually has experience?
Still though, the lack of depth perception in Sanders and his campaign is glaring in the current count. "I claim I won even though I didn't." Your post shows that his cult will claim "rigged" because they don't need evidence, just their unfounded belief. Same as in 2016.
It's why I'd rather Warren win. Regarding experience, Warren has not only experience at the highest levels in the Senate but a long record of accomplishment that dwarfs Bernie's. Bernie's bros only see a person with a vagina. His followers are pretty much old school when it comes to evolving socially.
It's why I'd rather Warren win.
smokin away
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I just had to add a little more after reading Bernie's history on Wiki that your facts may not reflect his career correctly. He graduated from the University of Chicago in 1964 and became Mayor of Burlington in 1981. That's only 17yr gap. He was reelected three times. Then elected to House of Representatives in 1990. He has spent his whole life in politics.At least he has political experience. What experience did Trump have? It also goes to show it's never too late to improve yourself. Maybe we could all learn from his experience. Bernie is also honest which is hard to find.
Wiki:
Sanders became interested in politics at an early age: "A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including six million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important."https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-18[17] In the 1940s, many of his relatives in German-occupied Poland were murdered in the Holocaust.[18]
Fogdog
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Sorry, no extra points given for showing up.I just had to add a little more after reading Bernie's history on Wiki that your facts may not reflect his career correctly. He graduated from the University of Chicago in 1964 and became Mayor of Burlington in 1981. That's only 17yr gap. He was reelected three times. Then elected to House of Representatives in 1990. He has spent his whole life in politics.
Wiki:
Sanders became interested in politics at an early age: "A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including six million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important."https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-18[17] In the 1940s, many of his relatives in German-occupied Poland were murdered in the Holocaust.[18]
Nothing of note done over 12+ years as Senator. A US Senator is one of the most powerful people in the world and he did nothing with it. Terrible absent rate. What in decade-long record as Senator gives you confidence that he can do a great job as prez? Just showing up doesn't count as experience.
perhaps this will convince you..? careful, the tv channel you watch, is showing..
or this..?
how about this..?
Fogdog
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^^Bernie moonlighting as a social activist. He's good at that. Note the lack of diversity in the crowd (snicker).
Meanwhile Bernie missing another vote in the Senate.
smokin away
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Ma
What about his voting record? He voted against the war in Iraq. A war we are now questioning as necessary. Bernie has been a Senator for 11yr and Warren only five yr. They are very close in agreement as only disagreeing 40 times in this Congress. Let's read on and then decide.
SFnone
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a lot of people a trump rallies too... not sure what your point is. And what channel do you think is showing? Like I said, Bernie supporters are full of themselves and overall just unlikeable- good luck.
smokin away
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Thanks for standing up for truth. Sometimes I feel all alone like my vote won't get counted. If you ever heard him speak you will know how powerful his message is. I can't wait till he gets to my town so I can hear him. He talks as proud as JFK ever did.
Sorry to bump again but one year off.Ma
What about his voting record? He voted against the war in Iraq. A war we are now questioning as necessary. Bernie has been a Senator for 11yr and Warren only five yr. They are very close in agreement as only disagreeing 40 times in this Congress. Let's read on and then decide.
Compare: Bernard Sanders (ID-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)
Compare the voting records of any two members of Congress.
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