Bernie Sanders 2020

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
Meanwhile, with Bernie's plan, doctors take a pay cut
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Medicare for All and the Myth of the 40% Physician Pay Cut - PNHP

A single payer system works by cutting administrative waste, not doctors' incomeBy Carol Paris, M.D.Common Dreams, September 11, 2018By Carol Paris, M.D. | Common Dreams, September 11, 2018 The surge in support for improved Medicare for All—now up to 70% in recent polling—has single-payer...
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"Overall, we estimate that average physician incomes would remain unchanged under Medicare for All. Some doctors, such as family physicians and pediatricians, might see a pay increase while others, such as highly-paid specialists, might see a slight pay cut. But “painful sacrifices” would not be required.

Single-payer opponents will try to pit doctors against patients by claiming that universal coverage only works by cutting doctor incomes. That’s a false choice. The only winners in the current system are the insurance companies who profit by keeping more of our nation’s health care dollars for themselves. By moving to a single-payer program, doctors can finally get back to our calling: caring for patients."
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
claiming that universal coverage only works by cutting doctor incomes.
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So you just opted to ignore the entirety of my argument and hone in on a minor premise that I excluded from the main argument and made as an addendum in its own post to characterise it as my whole argument so you could feed us this crap?

First off, I support universal coverage, absolutely. I oppose single-payer. You don't even understand the subject and you're parroting. You're dumb, but w/e.
Padawanbater2 said:

Medicare for All and the Myth of the 40% Physician Pay Cut - PNHP

A single payer system works by cutting administrative waste, not doctors' incomeBy Carol Paris, M.D.Common Dreams, September 11, 2018By Carol Paris, M.D. | Common Dreams, September 11, 2018 The surge in support for improved Medicare for All—now up to 70% in recent polling—has single-payer...
pnhp.org pnhp.org

"Overall, we estimate that average physician incomes would remain unchanged under Medicare for All. Some doctors, such as family physicians and pediatricians, might see a pay increase while others, such as highly-paid specialists, might see a slight pay cut. But “painful sacrifices” would not be required.

Single-payer opponents will try to pit doctors against patients by claiming that universal coverage only works by cutting doctor incomes. That’s a false choice. The only winners in the current system are the insurance companies who profit by keeping more of our nation’s health care dollars for themselves. By moving to a single-payer program, doctors can finally get back to our calling: caring for patients."
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Anyway, it basically does admit that doctors would end up with lower incomes but that bills would not go unpaid. Also, it's from 2018 when a bunch of legislators still supported it, before all the studies came out and they all abandoned Bernie's stupidity.

Face Reality, Padaraper. Shit ain't free.
 
smokin away

smokin away

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hanimmal said:
Yeah I enjoy smoking a lot, unfortunately I need to pass a upcoming screening so have been having to deal with trolls on this site without being able to enjoy it like I normally do since mid Dec. But what can you do, sometimes you need to suck it up.

Times have changed, decriminalizing weed and letting the states legalize it worked for alcohol in the old days, it is working for cannabis now. Freaking out bible belt voters who will be willing to vote for a candidate and the rest of the Democratic ticket to get this dumster fire of a President and enough Senators to stop McConnell's obstruction is very important IMO.

Only by having the Presidency, a super majority in the Senate, and Congress in the hands of the Democrats can things can be done about far more important issues. Stopping children from being ripped out of their parents arms and thrown in jail (where some die) is much higher on my list of priorities for the next couple years, that can be a 2024 issue. As long as the Democrats can keep power for more than the 2 years the last 3 Democratic Presidents have had since the Republicans pulled their southern strategy troll in order to keep power in the hands of the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda.

Stupid sexist quotes are one thing, now if you have a tape where he is describing a failed attempted rape, like Trump has at the start of this video:

Or if rape (or attempted rape) victims start to speak up, it just seems like desperation to disqualify him.

And I am still voting Biden (as long as he is still in it by the time I get to vote), who just last couple weeks was trolled so hard people also decided he was a racist, pedophilic, corrupt, Republican (none of which is true at all). The weeks before that, Kamala Harris was trolled for MJ arrests (which fell drastically under her term), Warren was somehow trying to benefit from thinking she had some Native American blood in her, on and on.

Everyone Trump gets scared of is getting the royal treatment of propaganda and disinformation thrown at them.

Whoever wins the Democratic nomination will get my vote. As will the rest of the ticket. America needs people in office who are going to legislate for the entire country and not just 36% of the population like Trump and the Republicans do.
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Ya, being put off by decriminalization is what we got now. The bootleggers run everything doing God knows what with our money. On top of that you have to pee in the cup and wait longer than a Crackhead to come clean. Then people like me are denied medicine because the State's AG says it's still Schedule I. Really sucks and our happiness isn't important enough?
Everyone is sidestepping Bernie. If you don't think he can win try this man's view.

hotrodharley
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Aug 7, 2019 The Republican Party wanted absolutely nothing to do with Trump. The majority of them publicly saying so even after the election. They quickly changed their tune when he demonstrated he’s an easily manipulated putz like W was. Lindsey was a late convert but after a round of golf at a Trump club even he came around.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Supported a bill that failed in the 115th congress is not the same as supports it now. That's why I said they abandoned it.

Face Reality, Padaraper. Huge tax hikes are unpopular.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
Supported a bill that failed in the 115th congress is not the same as supports it now. That's why I said they abandoned it.
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She does support it now, that's why she is still listed as a cosponsor on the actual bill

If she didn't support it now, she would not remain a cosponsor of the bill

Bills don't die if they don't get passed during the session of congress they're drafted in


Along with Warren, there are currently 15 other cosponsors
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
She does support it now
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Aside from the fact that a bill may still advance to the floor again with ammendments we do know that Bernie's braindead bill is no longer advancing. In its current form, which has been abandoned by most of its signatories, it will never advance. The only politician who supports it in its current form, since all the signatories have abandoned it, is the original author. This is evident in the political platforms of those who are on record.

Warren's platform includes a healthcare plan that basically amounts to medicare for all who want it. I'm going to laugh at you when Bernie is forced to accept huge ammendments because nobody wants to support huge tax hikes. Anyone of them could get it back on the floor, but they don't.

Face Reality, Padaraper.
 
abandonconflict

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Tammy Baldwin in 2019: Medicare buy-ins for people over 50. Unclear if she would support any continuing role for private insurance.
www.baldwin.senate.gov

U.S. Senators Tammy Baldwin, Debbie Stabenow and Sherrod Brown Introduce Legislation to Expand Medicare and Reduce Health Care Costs | U.S. Senator Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senators Tammy Baldwin, Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH)...
www.baldwin.senate.gov www.baldwin.senate.gov

Richard Blumenthal still supports abolishing private insurance

Cory Booker affirms support for role of private insurance
edition.cnn.com

Booker doubles down on support of both 'Medicare for All' and private insurance plans

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Cory Booker doubled down on his decision to support a "Medicare for All" bill that would effectively eliminate private insurance plans while also supporting individuals' ability to maintain private insurance plans under the system.
edition.cnn.com edition.cnn.com

Al Franken resigned from the Senate

Kirsten Gilibrand Suggested voluntary buy-in during a 4 year transition period
www.empirecenter.org

Gillibrand's Medicare muddle - Empire Center for Public Policy

At Thursday night's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand gave a misleading description of the "Medicare for All" proposal that she says she helped to write – implying that it calls for a voluntary buy-in rather than mandatory government coverage.
www.empirecenter.org www.empirecenter.org

Kamala Harris affirms support for role of private insurance
www.npr.org

Kamala Harris Releases 'Medicare For All' Plan With A Role For Private Insurers

The plan clears up confusion over Harris' position, allowing private Medicare plans that follow certain standards. New taxes would be added on stock trades and households earning over $100,000.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

Martin Heinrich's new bill, "If privately run health care is better than Medicare, then let the private sector prove it."

Senators Introduce ‘Choose Medicare Act’ to Make Medicare Available to Everyone - Merkley

WASHINGTON – Today, U.S. Senators Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), joined by U.S. Senators Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tina Smith...
www.merkley.senate.gov www.merkley.senate.gov

Mazie Hirono introduces legislation requiring super-majority to change Medicare, this would include Bernie's braindead bill
www.hirono.senate.gov

Hirono Introduces Legislation to Protect Medicare and Medicaid from Partisan Attacks | Mazie K. Hirono - A Voice for Hawai'i in the U.S. Senate

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Senator Mazie K. Hirono and 15 Senate Democrats introduced the Medicare and...
www.hirono.senate.gov www.hirono.senate.gov

Patrick Leahy likely still supports abolishing private insurance but it is unclear. He has been a long time supporter of the ACA.

Edward Markey likely still supports abolishing private healthcare although he remarked that he opposed parts of the ACA because of tax hikes.

Jeff Merkley cosponsored Heinrich's bill, "If privately run health care is better than Medicare, then let the private sector prove it."

Senators Introduce ‘Choose Medicare Act’ to Make Medicare Available to Everyone - Merkley

WASHINGTON – Today, U.S. Senators Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), joined by U.S. Senators Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tina Smith...
www.merkley.senate.gov www.merkley.senate.gov

Brian Schatz gave an interview where he described a plan where states can buy into medicaid. Private healthcare not abolished
www.vox.com

Exclusive: Sen. Schatz’s new health care idea could be the Democratic Party’s future

The Hawaii senator is working on a new bill that would create a Medicaid buy-in for uninsured Americans.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

Jeanne Shaheen is not joining Sanders again, cosigned medicare buy-in at 50 plan, allows private insurance role
www.healthleadersmedia.com

Sen. Shaheen not joining Sanders' Medicare for All plan again

As Sen. Bernie Sanders reintroduces his "Medicare for All" legislation to create a government-run health insurance plan, one co-sponsor from the last time won't be with him. Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire says she's taking another road. She says in a statement that there are...
www.healthleadersmedia.com www.healthleadersmedia.com

Tom Udall still apparently on board with Sanders

Elizabeth Warren backed down on M4A, no longer with Sanders

Sheldon Whitehouse is still on board with Sanders, unclear if he would also support bills which allow for private insurance to continue


So most of them have either outright abandoned Sanders' quest to abolish private insurance or they just realize it was a symbolic bill with no chance of ever going anywhere so they signed it for attention. The underlined names are those who are still tentatively in support of the Sanders bill because there's no indication they're not.
 
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