Bernie Sanders 2020

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hanimmal said:
I am just floored at how much Warren is covering for Sanders. It gets my need to make a tin foil hat itch.
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If yer one of the kings knights or nobles and ya distinguish yourself in battle by saving the Kings ass, he will usually reward you with great power and wealth, at least it used to work that way. Put another way, she's auditioning for a job.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Hey! Bloomberg Tweets About Bernie

Seth has some strong words for Michael Bloomberg and his campaign tweeting a slew of fake quotes they attributed to Bernie Sanders.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Watching the news and the CDC is planning some severe measures, I'm wondering if it will disrupt the primary process or even the convention. Other countries like mine are announcing similar things. This of course is at odds with the WH message and trumps pronouncements.
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CDC Outlines What Closing Schools, Businesses Would Look Like in Pandemic
“We are asking the American public to work with us to prepare for the expectation that this is going to be bad,” said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases
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CDC Outlines What Closing Schools, Businesses Would Look Like in Pandemic

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stepped up its call Tuesday for the public to start preparing for a possible pandemic outbreak in the U.S. of the coronavirus that’s infected more than 80,000 people killed at least 2,700 overseas in less than two months. “We are asking the American...
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stepped up its call Tuesday for the public to start preparing for a possible pandemic outbreak in the U.S. of the coronavirus that’s infected more than 80,000 people killed at least 2,700 overseas in less than two months.

“We are asking the American public to work with us to prepare for the expectation that this could be bad,” a top CDC official told reporters in a conference call outlining what schools and businesses will likely need to do if the COVID-19 virus starts to spread throughout the U.S.

Schools should consider dividing students into smaller groups or close and use “internet-based teleschooling,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on a conference call.
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smokin away

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abandonconflict said:
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Why are taxes so bad? The higher the gas tax the better the roads and rest areas. Better the schools and parks. Bernie wants higher taxes for the wealthy not folks "living from paycheck to paycheck". A tax on Wall Street isn't so fetched when every thing else is taxed. I'm not an investor but the plan as stated may bring stability to trading by encouraging wiser trading. New York among other places has taxes. Bloomberg has taxes all over his record but is more revered because he's a sworn Democrat. Any way you go it's taxes or live without services.
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UncleBuck

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smokin away said:
Why are taxes so bad? The higher the gas tax the better the roads and rest areas. Better the schools and parks. Bernie wants higher taxes for the wealthy not folks "living from paycheck to paycheck". A tax on Wall Street isn't so fetched when every thing else is taxed. I'm not an investor but the plan as stated may bring stability to trading by encouraging wiser trading. New York among other places has taxes. Bloomberg has taxes all over his record but is more revered because he's a sworn Democrat. Any way you go it's taxes or live without services.
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I’m not that far off from living paycheck to paycheck and Bernie wants to nearly double my taxes
 
smokin away

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Fogdog said:
We are talking about the soft side of politics so it's possible for us to see the same things and draw different conclusions. If were were talking about hard facts then maybe there is less room for disagreement. What makes one politician appealing might turn off somebody else. Hillary is a good example of that.

Warren is a wonk who works on details and process. She's also not very well known and less than charismatic when speaking. Based on the strength of her work ethic and attention to details, understanding process and so forth, I think she'd make a great president. That doesn't translate to getting a lot of votes from people who aren't paying much attention. Warren has to work harder at the public side of the politicians job. She doesn't project the warmth that Obama did, for example.

There should be no doubt that Sanders is a great charismatic personality. He's also clueless about the details needed to realize his policies. He's also poor at delegating and poor at working well with others. I think he'd make a terrible president.

Your point about Hillary losing in part because she was a woman. That, to me is an excuse, not a reason. Some say she got votes because she was a woman. She was another wonk with the personality of cold oatmeal. Her advantage came from being in the spotlight for 20 years. She has the kind of personality that takes a long time to warm up to and those 20 years were needed. A lot of people took a disliking to her and she never won them over.

Let's not forget these people run against others. Trump is another charismatic personality and some people are fanatically attached to him. Terrible president, btw.
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Let's just say I have a very credible source who told me that from her own experiences as a boss woman that she knew a woman could never fulfill the office of the President.
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smokin away

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hanimmal said:
I am just floored at how much Warren is covering for Sanders. It gets my need to make a tin foil hat itch.
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You can't say the other contenders are happy about Sanders. Maybe Warren is being nice. I'm sure Bloomberg has great doubt about Bernie and must be trying to do him in. View this how they don't want him in the Primary:
www.politico.com

2 Florida Democrats sue to keep Sanders off primary ballot

The complaint says the candidate is unqualified in a closed-primary state.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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abandonconflict

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smokin away said:
Why are taxes so bad? The higher the gas tax the better the roads and rest areas. Better the schools and parks. Bernie wants higher taxes for the wealthy not folks "living from paycheck to paycheck". A tax on Wall Street isn't so fetched when every thing else is taxed. I'm not an investor but the plan as stated may bring stability to trading by encouraging wiser trading. New York among other places has taxes. Bloomberg has taxes all over his record but is more revered because he's a sworn Democrat. Any way you go it's taxes or live without services.
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8 million taxpayers live and work abroad. Besides, we're not just talking about any little tax hikes. We're talking about a 2.6 trillion dollar deficit at the least and that with taxing the wealthy to an extreme. The type of taxes to produce that sort of federal revenue would be quite steep indeed.

The fiscal 2019 federal budget:
revenue = 4.4 trillion
expenditures = 3.4 trillion
deficit = 1 trillion

Bernie's healthcare bill would cost 3 trillion annually. The taxes on the rich which are included in the bill only cover 1.6 trillion in revenue. The deficit is already higher now than it was in fiscal 2019, it's 1.2 trillion now. The bill also gives doctors a pay cut and eliminates 700k - 1 million jobs.

Medicare for all who want it is much more feasible. It would immediately eliminate the problem of uninsured Americans. It would lead to reduced premiums or increased value for private plans because they would have to compete or go extinct. It would be paid for by repealing the Trump tax cuts for the rich. It's a stepping stone toward M4A in such a way that would not shock the economy and topple the government.

When you want something, and you hear it costs more than you have, do you just borrow mom's credit card and buy it anyway?
 
Padawanbater2

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What our current system costs over the next decade:

Over the next ten years, national health expenditures are projected to total approximately $52 trillion if we keep our current dysfunctional system.

How much we will save:

According to the Yale study and others, Medicare for All will save approximately $5 trillion over that same time period.

$52 trillion - $5 trillion = $47 trillion total

How we pay for it:

Current federal, state and local government spending over the next ten years is projected to total about $30 trillion.

The revenue options Bernie has proposed total $17.5 Trillion

$30 trillion + $17.5 trillion = $47.5 Trillion total

Since 2016, Bernie has proposed a menu of financing options that would more than pay for the Medicare for All legislation he has introduced according to the Yale study.

These options include:
  • Creating a 4 percent income-based premium paid by employees, exempting the first $29,000 in income for a family of four.
In 2018, the typical working family paid an average of $6,015 in premiums to private health insurance companies. Under this option, a typical family of four earning $60,000, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All on income above $29,000 – just $1,240 a year – saving that family $4,775 a year. Families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium.

(Revenue raised: About $4 trillion over 10 years.)
  • Imposing a 7.5 percent income-based premium paid by employers, exempting the first $1 million in payroll to protect small businesses.
In 2018, employers paid an average of $14,561 in private health insurance premiums for a worker with a family of four. Under this option, employers would pay a 7.5 percent payroll tax to help finance Medicare for All – just $4,500 – a savings of more than $10,000 a year.

(Revenue raised: Over $5.2 trillion over 10 years.)
  • Eliminating health tax expenditures, which would no longer be needed under Medicare for All.
(Revenue raised: About $3 trillion over 10 years.)
  • Raising the top marginal income tax rate to 52% on income over $10 million.
(Revenue raised: About $700 billion over 10 years.)
  • Replacing the cap on the state and local tax deduction with an overall dollar cap of $50,000 for a married couple on all itemized deductions.
(Revenue raised: About $400 billion over 10 years.)
  • Taxing capital gains at the same rates as income from wages and cracking down on gaming through derivatives, like-kind exchanges, and the zero tax rate on capital gains passed on through bequests.
(Revenue raised: About $2.5 trillion over 10 years.)
  • Enacting the For the 99.8% Act, which returns the estate tax exemption to the 2009 level of $3.5 million, closes egregious loopholes, and increases rates progressively including by adding a top tax rate of 77% on estate values in excess of $1 billion.
(Revenue raised: $336 billion over 10 years.)
  • Enacting corporate tax reform including restoring the top federal corporate income tax rate to 35 percent.
(Revenue raised: $3 trillion ,of which $1 trillion would be used to help finance Medicare for All and $2 trillion would be used for the Green New Deal.)
  • Using $350 billion of the amount raised from the tax on extreme wealth to help finance Medicare for All. care costs and prevent 68,000 unnecessary deaths – each and every year.
Since 2016, Bernie has proposed a menu of financing options that would more than pay for the Medicare for All legislation he has introduced according to the Yale study.

These options include:
  • Creating a 4 percent income-based premium paid by employees, exempting the first $29,000 in income for a family of four.
In 2018, the typical working family paid an average of $6,015 in premiums to private health insurance companies. Under this option, a typical family of four earning $60,000, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All on income above $29,000 – just $1,240 a year – saving that family $4,775 a year. Families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium.

(Revenue raised: About $4 trillion over 10 years.)
  • Imposing a 7.5 percent income-based premium paid by employers, exempting the first $1 million in payroll to protect small businesses.
In 2018, employers paid an average of $14,561 in private health insurance premiums for a worker with a family of four. Under this option, employers would pay a 7.5 percent payroll tax to help finance Medicare for All – just $4,500 – a savings of more than $10,000 a year.

(Revenue raised: Over $5.2 trillion over 10 years.)
  • Eliminating health tax expenditures, which would no longer be needed under Medicare for All.
(Revenue raised: About $3 trillion over 10 years.)
  • Raising the top marginal income tax rate to 52% on income over $10 million.
(Revenue raised: About $700 billion over 10 years.)
  • Replacing the cap on the state and local tax deduction with an overall dollar cap of $50,000 for a married couple on all itemized deductions.
(Revenue raised: About $400 billion over 10 years.)
  • Taxing capital gains at the same rates as income from wages and cracking down on gaming through derivatives, like-kind exchanges, and the zero tax rate on capital gains passed on through bequests.
(Revenue raised: About $2.5 trillion over 10 years.)
  • Enacting the For the 99.8% Act, which returns the estate tax exemption to the 2009 level of $3.5 million, closes egregious loopholes, and increases rates progressively including by adding a top tax rate of 77% on estate values in excess of $1 billion.
(Revenue raised: $336 billion over 10 years.)
  • Enacting corporate tax reform including restoring the top federal corporate income tax rate to 35 percent.
(Revenue raised: $3 trillion ,of which $1 trillion would be used to help finance Medicare for All and $2 trillion would be used for the Green New Deal.)
  • Using $350 billion of the amount raised from the tax on extreme wealth to help finance Medicare for All.
 
PJ Diaz

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It cracks me up hearing these so-called Democrats complaining about taxes. They just don't want to admit that they are Republicans. I don't blame them really tho, because Trump.
 
UncleBuck

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PJ Diaz said:
It cracks me up hearing these so-called Democrats complaining about taxes. They just don't want to admit that they are Republicans. I don't blame them really tho, because Trump.
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youll understand when your stepdad kicks you out and you have to get a job one day
 
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