Bernie Sanders 2020

Fogdog

Fogdog

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LostInEthereal said:
Sorry didn't read your entire post, I gotta go. But ever heard of the Stop Jeff Bezos act? Him and Ro Khanna adopted legislation to make Amazon adopt 15$/hr minimum wage. I'd say Bernie accomplished something in the last twelve years. Try to educate yourself.
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Oh, you mean that Starbucks thing where he moonlighted as a political activist instead of doing work for the people he represents in Vermont?

Yeah, that was pretty much a bullshit political show that didn't accomplish what his Cult says it did.
 
LostInEthereal

LostInEthereal

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Fogdog said:
Oh, you mean that Starbucks thing where he moonlighted as a political activist instead of doing work for the people he represents in Vermont?

Yeah, that was pretty much a bullshit political show that didn't accomplish what his Cult says it did.
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No I mean the Amazon thing which I literally posted.
 
LostInEthereal

LostInEthereal

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Fogdog said:
Sanders hasn't gotten anything done in more than 12 years as US Senator, one of the most powerful elected political offices in the world. We don't need another gridlock president who can't work with others. Also, Sanders is a poor leader on social issues such as the issues that the Black Lives Matter activists are addressing. Same with womens rights. For example, he endorsed a woman who was running for office on the platform of opposing Roe v Wade.

When he finally DOES write something down, it's an embarrassment. The Medicare for All bill that he wrote and submitted to the Senate for ratification is a half-finished, poorly written job of an amateur. It lacks details so that the Congressional Office of Management and the Budget (OMB) can't provide a firm cost estimate. Some outside groups estimate the cost to be upwards of 30-40 Trillion dollars over ten years. Furthermore, Bernie left out how that would be paid for. At the high end estimates, the extra cost in taxes per person is about 10,000 per year. So this is your idea of greatness? A hapless, lazy, do-nothing Senator is running on an undefined measure that would disrupt healthcare for 300 million Americans and a quarter of the economy. Sanders cult is slavering at people who oppose what is essentially a half baked idea that was hastily scribbled down on the back of a napkin without much thought.
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Thanks for the insight, I'll have to look into these matters further. I hate quoting people out of context. Sorry I'm pretty fucking drunk and it's getting hard to type, but your metric of 40 trillion dollars is a sham. It currently costs 34 trillion dollars for a privatized system but a Mercatus study, a right-wing think tank funded by my former bosses the Koch brothers (thank God one of them finally died) finds that it costs 32 trillion instead of 34 with our current system for medicare-for-all over a ten-year period.
 
BurtMaklin

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Fogdog said:
You follow me about like a love sick teenage girl, Burt. I'm not that way and don't want your love. You might think that I should be flattered but I'm actually kind of disgusted.

I'm sure you are color blind to Sanders racism but I'll try to explain. Trump is an overt racist. He's the white supremacist president and Sanders is leagues better than him. On the other hand, just about every other Democratic Party candidate is leagues better than Sanders when it comes to leadership on civil rights issues. Sanders is the sneaky kind of liberal systemic racist that typifies the white male dominated Democratic Party of the past. He's the kind of liberal who sells out to the white status quo by protecting the entitled status of white males. His policies do nothing to end institutional racism that is made evident in wage and jobs disparities but also in black people being murdered by cops for being black. In his speeches, he's continuously running down efforts to address inequality, even running down Obama during a town hall meeting held to honor Martin Luther King. Leaders in women's rights and civil rights groups have all said they are invisible in his speeches, policies and actions. But still, he's leagues better than Trump.

He is the comfortable choice for left leaning white men who aren't competent to compete without being given an entitled status. Perhaps you fit that category. No, I'm certain you fit that category.
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You said, and I quote "overt racism". None of what you consider racism is even racist let alone overt.

You obviously don't understand socialism, there is no need to pander to special interest groups because every person is included. No person left behind.

Fuck you're dumb!!
 
LostInEthereal

LostInEthereal

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SB85 said:
I am really of the idea that Bernie won't go on the frontline because he benefits from the system he claims to be against
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God dammit I really need to get of this forum and get out of the house, but this comment. In what way do you think he benefits? Because he wrote a book and became a millionaire? He's the least wealthiest person in the Senate and been fighting for the same ideals since the 60's.
 
SB85

SB85

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LostInEthereal said:
God dammit I really need to get of this forum and get out of the house, but this comment. In what way do you think he benefits? Because he wrote a book and became a millionaire? He's the least wealthiest person in the Senate and been fighting for the same ideals since the 60's.
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I'm not talking about his book...What other reason does one have to not go full force against a system they view as dangerous to the conditions of humanity unless they are scared to lose out on something
 
BurtMaklin

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SB85 said:
I'm not talking about his book...What other reason does one have to not go full force against a system they view as dangerous to the conditions of humanity unless they are scared to lose out on something
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What's he gonna miss out on, a comfortable retirement with a great pension, millions of dollars in the bank and three houses?

Nah, he'll put himself out there for another round of criticism to help the average American. Sounds like a real asshole!
 
SB85

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BurtMaklin said:
What's he gonna miss out on, a comfortable retirement with a great pension and millions of dollars in the bank and three houses?

Nah, he'll put himself out there for another round of criticism to help the average American. Sounds like a real asshole!
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My criticism on Bernie comes from him folding and not really putting himself out there on the frontlines. It's like he come up with some good ideas and not really put up any kind of fight once elections are over and done with...He would have ran 3rd party in 2016 after he lost the DNC norm, If he 100% really believed in really bringing medical/education/wealth redistribution to the public.
 
SB85

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BurtMaklin said:
What's he gonna miss out on, a comfortable retirement with a great pension, millions of dollars in the bank and three houses?

Nah, he'll put himself out there for another round of criticism to help the average American. Sounds like a real asshole!
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Bernies does seem to care more about his political career /benefits then going on the frontlines for ideas like medical/education/wealth redistribution....He would have been ran on his own platform if really felt that achieving those were more important than his seat in DC.
 
BurtMaklin

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SB85 said:
My criticism on Bernie comes from him folding and not really putting himself out there on the frontlines. It's like he come up with some good ideas and not really put up any kind of fight once elections are over and done with...He would have ran 3rd party in 2016 after he lost the DNC norm, If he 100% really believed in really bringing medical/education/wealth redistribution to the public.
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Fair criticism.

Although, a movement toward everything a population has been educated against will take more than one man and the coordination and support of Congress. Not sure as an independent you could garner that.
 
SB85

SB85

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BurtMaklin said:
Fair criticism.

Although, a movement toward everything a population has been educated against will take more than one man and the coordination and support of Congress. Not sure as an independent you could garner that.
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Bernie comes along every time an election is around and builds up support with not much action on his end. There 's tons of people really putting their time and money behind the guy just to be let down by his half ass effort.
 
Fogdog

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SB85 said:
Bernie comes along every time an election is around and builds up support with not much action on his end. There 's tons of people really putting their time and money behind the guy just to be let down by his half ass effort.
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half ass effort just about sums it all up.
 
Fogdog

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SB85 said:
I don't understand how the man still has supporters after nothing but half ass efforts..
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After discussion with some of them who post here, I've come to realize that they simply believe what they want of Sanders. They don't see either the lack of substance in Bernie's words or the emptiness of his record as Senator. Its as if in the empty canvass of Bernie's record they painted a picture that they now firmly believe is his.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Budley Doright said:
And if your chosen candidate for president doesn’t get nominated you’ll give us Trump? You did say that right? That awfully noble of you :(.
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Would Clinton have stopped the bombing campaign? No. She was on record as advocating to ramp it up.

Would she have legalized weed? Lol no

Would she have addressed our military police state? No, she was going to 'bring them to heel'.

Help the homeless? No
Medicare for all? No
Help with college debt? No

I'm not making the mistake of 'lesser of two evils' again. This country has been making that mistake for 40 years; it's how we got into this mess.

Funny how no one can honestly argue otherwise- so instead of trying, they just make personal attacks.

It's time to listen to the majority of Americans- something the DNC resolutely refuses to do. After all, they get paid win or lose, so there's no skin in the game for them. Their constituency is the donor class and they will greedily suck that Koch money as long as they can.

All this fighting between Left and Right misses the real conflict; the Class War was won by the rich when Ronald Reagan was elected and the Left has been fighting a shit poor rearguard retreat action ever since.

Bernie is the vanguard of a new direction for our country, the only one that will restore our rights, our dignity, our relevance and our future.
 
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