Besides basic NPK, what's your "secret sauce?"

RuggedWombat

RuggedWombat

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Simple question. Beyond the normal NPK nutrients, what supplement do you swear by and consider most essential? I recently started running silica with great results and it has me wondering what others swear by beyond the basics. I run DG FP and B with Protekt for silica currently, but looking at possible changes for my next grow. I don't want to be someone who runs like 10 bottles; just seeing if adding something small to my current cocktail is worth it or not. I was thinking maybe a bit of supplemental sulphur? Or maybe something to help growth and stability in veg a bit? Whatcha got?
 
go go kid

go go kid

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seaweed,fish blood n bone, chicken manure pellets, comfrey liquid, super phosphate rock powder (ground up in a morter n pestle) compost tea and in the soil mix, silica, you probably wont be able to get it, but i cut n polish gemstones for a living, so i have an abundance of rare earth eliments andmineral powders to use, all left over from grinding the agates and gems, if you know anyone who polishes there own gemstones in a tumbler, get there old grit and polishing powder from the tumbler when there washed out (invaluable). i think i may well have the best organic growing soil in the world, i dont go by halves when i grow, i give the girls everything they could possably need, and thats not a brag, just a fact
nettle,borage,comfrey all break down in water to make a smelly tea that has loads of micro and macro nutes, along with seaweed solution, it makles a compleat feed
 
go go kid

go go kid

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forgot the myco's for root and soil development. but do look into compost teas to give the girls the benaficial bacteria the soil needs to allow the nitrogen and other bacteria a head start on breaking everything down into useable nutrients or your just throwing money and stuff at them and it will be mostly wasted
 
RuggedWombat

RuggedWombat

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go go kid said:
seaweed,fish blood n bone, chicken manure pellets, comfrey liquid, super phosphate rock powder (ground up in a morter n pestle) compost tea and in the soil mix, silica, you probably wont be able to get it, but i cut n polish gemstones for a living, so i have an abundance of rare earth eliments andmineral powders to use, all left over from grinding the agates and gems, if you know anyone who polishes there own gemstones in a tumbler, get there old grit and polishing powder from the tumbler when there washed out (invaluable). i think i may well have the best organic growing soil in the world, i dont go by halves when i grow, i give the girls everything they could possably need, and thats not a brag, just a fact
nettle,borage,comfrey all break down in water to make a smelly tea that has loads of micro and macro nutes, along with seaweed solution, it makles a compleat feed
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I don't do organic, but 2 questions:

How much does it cost to get all of those ingredients together?
Where do you store all of that shit?

Organic seems to be the future, but having like 10 different bags of stuff seems like a real PITA. Atleast you get way less maintenance during growing.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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RuggedWombat said:
I don't do organic, but 2 questions:

How much does it cost to get all of those ingredients together?
Where do you store all of that shit?

Organic seems to be the future, but having like 10 different bags of stuff seems like a real PITA. Atleast you get way less maintenance during growing.
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I did DWC for a lot of years plus growing in soilless ProMix HP using the same AN 3-part nutes as the DWC. Tried different supplements in side-by-side grows and the only one that really made a difference that was very noticeable was Big Bud powder. Also tried adding some BB and more of the Bloom a week before flipping to flower and saw a lot more bud sites that plumped up faster so by the end of stretch the top buds were golf ball sized already.

I use only RO water for my plants so would add a bit of CalMag but not at the doses on the bottle and not AN calmag. Any will do so tried to find one with the lowest N. Promix has lots of dolomitic and calcitic lime added so I never saw deficiencies.

I do like to pulverize some of my own supplements and add that to the plants. Some zinc, iron, B1, selenium, ascorbic and citric acid and MSM for added sulfur. Pound it all into powder in my mortar and pestle then shake the watering jug good for each plant as a lot of it doesn't dissolve but I'm betting most of the solids are fillers for the tabs or caps and basically inert.

If nothing else Epsom Salts should be on the menu. In late flower the plant wants more S, Mg and K so after week 5 a good dose of that will help plump up the buds and the resin glands. I have a bag of potassium chloride so I can add some K without any other stuff.

I also add DynoMyco especially now as I'm using organics in promix but may just go back to the hydro nutes as that always worked better for me. DynoMyco is compatible with hydro nutes too and does seem to help.

:peace:
 
go go kid

go go kid

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RuggedWombat said:
I don't do organic, but 2 questions:

How much does it cost to get all of those ingredients together?
Where do you store all of that shit?

Organic seems to be the future, but having like 10 different bags of stuff seems like a real PITA. Atleast you get way less maintenance during growing.
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i live on a 7 1/2 acre small holding, we have a 100 ft by 50 ft barn to store all our soils and amendments, cutting saws and grinding and polishing lap's we have a smaller 75 ft by 30 ft barn with our gems on display and in boxes and boxes on shelves and a shapeing and polishing room at the back, with space for our silver and gold smithing equipment, we store all the old grits and stone dust in plastic containers, as we do with the mineral and rare earth mineral dust too.
in the garden we have various pots full of water and comfrey, stinging nettle, borage, we add seaweed solution to it from time to time. i piss in them ocasionaly, you can have too higher piss content for plants to survive lol. sheep shit in hessian sacks, suspended in water containers as ready made plant food
its great, but a lot of work to maintain and upkeep the place, but man, you should see our compost heap lol, its in a polly tunnel of its own, although the cover got blown off it in the last storm, just another job for the summer monthes.
as to cost, the chicken shit comes from our chickens, sheep shit from the fields we let the farmer use for his sheep, horse manure,goat manure you can just pivck up by the road side here in the country, the sacks of it are left out for people to take free of charge, so take a bag or two and leave some for others to take, want not take not. we get soil from the recycling place (local tip) they compost all green waste into organic soil for a low price, some with added manures for extra N/P/K content.
egg shells from kitchen
seperate compost from kitchen
fish blood n bone,seaweed meal and solution from farmers store in the country here. large bags for great prices(we allways buy in bulk if we can) organic soil comes by the metric ton if were wanting huge amounts, only problem is rain fall washing nutrients out of it if not covered.
a little rock dust go's a long long way.
i only grow personel, so under 8 plants at most
 
Nutty sKunK

Nutty sKunK

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Oath Soil life, formally known as Soil Balance Pro.

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RuggedWombat

RuggedWombat

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OldMedUser said:
I did DWC for a lot of years plus growing in soilless ProMix HP using the same AN 3-part nutes as the DWC. Tried different supplements in side-by-side grows and the only one that really made a difference that was very noticeable was Big Bud powder. Also tried adding some BB and more of the Bloom a week before flipping to flower and saw a lot more bud sites that plumped up faster so by the end of stretch the top buds were golf ball sized already.

I use only RO water for my plants so would add a bit of CalMag but not at the doses on the bottle and not AN calmag. Any will do so tried to find one with the lowest N. Promix has lots of dolomitic and calcitic lime added so I never saw deficiencies.

I do like to pulverize some of my own supplements and add that to the plants. Some zinc, iron, B1, selenium, ascorbic and citric acid and MSM for added sulfur. Pound it all into powder in my mortar and pestle then shake the watering jug good for each plant as a lot of it doesn't dissolve but I'm betting most of the solids are fillers for the tabs or caps and basically inert.

If nothing else Epsom Salts should be on the menu. In late flower the plant wants more S, Mg and K so after week 5 a good dose of that will help plump up the buds and the resin glands. I have a bag of potassium chloride so I can add some K without any other stuff.

I also add DynoMyco especially now as I'm using organics in promix but may just go back to the hydro nutes as that always worked better for me. DynoMyco is compatible with hydro nutes too and does seem to help.

:peace:
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This is especially intriguing as I also use Promix but BX. If I recall you helped me with my PH issue earlier in my first pro mix grow. Man you should see how much they've bounced back! I'm about to start my next one with BX and debating where to push them this round.
 
Hollatchaboy

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go go kid said:
seaweed,fish blood n bone, chicken manure pellets, comfrey liquid, super phosphate rock powder (ground up in a morter n pestle) compost tea and in the soil mix, silica, you probably wont be able to get it, but i cut n polish gemstones for a living, so i have an abundance of rare earth eliments andmineral powders to use, all left over from grinding the agates and gems, if you know anyone who polishes there own gemstones in a tumbler, get there old grit and polishing powder from the tumbler when there washed out (invaluable). i think i may well have the best organic growing soil in the world, i dont go by halves when i grow, i give the girls everything they could possably need, and thats not a brag, just a fact



nettle,borage,comfrey all break down in water to make a smelly tea that has loads of micro and macro nutes, along with seaweed solution, it makles a compleat feed
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Look up terra preta. Lol
 
OldMedUser

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RuggedWombat said:
This is especially intriguing as I also use Promix but BX. If I recall you helped me with my PH issue earlier in my first pro mix grow. Man you should see how much they've bounced back! I'm about to start my next one with BX and debating where to push them this round.
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I gather the only real difference between the BX and HP is the HP has a lot more perlite in it. From 2001 to about 2005 all I could get up here in Bumf**k northern Alberta was Sunshine Mix #4 then ProMix HP and a couple others from them showed up and SS#4 was no more. I really like the stuff and the plants seem to as well so that's fine by me. At a city about an hour away they have two forms of the SS. The #4 and a Professional Blend that is just like the ProMix HP. Was a torn bag of it out in the parking lot so I got a look at it. Almost bought some but the boss at the local co-op gave me a discount on 8 - 107L of the HP so I got those last spring. Wife stole 3 of them for her greenhouse and I still have almost 4 left but had a couple before buying the 8.

The easiest way to grow with HP is just fill a pot and water it with a low dose of hydro nutes and it's ready for plants. With the AN pH Perfect nutes and RO water you don't have to add anything else tho I invariably do as I like to tinker. :)

For the last few years I've been experimenting with using organic nutes instead of hydro nutes and it's been a steep learning curve for me as before getting into growing pot I couldn't keep a house plant alive to save my life. Did my first DWC grow in '01 before it was even a thing and had great grows right from the start with the old version of AN 3-part that needed to be pH balanced before watering. Never had calmag and never saw any deficiency problems either so I gotta laugh sometimes at how so many seem to think it's some sort of miracle cure for anything that ails pot. I use it now but very sparingly so a litre bottle of it goes bad before I use it all up. Been using the REMO one and it seems to work fine. I really like that REMO kelp supplement called VeloKelp. Seems to work well as a tonic for ailing plants and with the amount of neglect I give my plants it's come in handy. :D

I tried real soil and never had any luck but outside using about a 50:50 mix of real soil with compost added and promix my aautos did just fine but can't do that any more with hemp farms popping up near me. Last summer's plants got well seeded but I didn't know until I started trimming up the first one. The other 4 are still hanging in the basement wrapped in clear garbage bags until I get around to them. Was wondering why they seemed to not do as good as the previous summer's plants but now I know.

:peace:
 
RuggedWombat

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OldMedUser said:
I gather the only real difference between the BX and HP is the HP has a lot more perlite in it. From 2001 to about 2005 all I could get up here in Bumf**k northern Alberta was Sunshine Mix #4 then ProMix HP and a couple others from them showed up and SS#4 was no more. I really like the stuff and the plants seem to as well so that's fine by me. At a city about an hour away they have two forms of the SS. The #4 and a Professional Blend that is just like the ProMix HP. Was a torn bag of it out in the parking lot so I got a look at it. Almost bought some but the boss at the local co-op gave me a discount on 8 - 107L of the HP so I got those last spring. Wife stole 3 of them for her greenhouse and I still have almost 4 left but had a couple before buying the 8.

The easiest way to grow with HP is just fill a pot and water it with a low dose of hydro nutes and it's ready for plants. With the AN pH Perfect nutes and RO water you don't have to add anything else tho I invariably do as I like to tinker. :)

For the last few years I've been experimenting with using organic nutes instead of hydro nutes and it's been a steep learning curve for me as before getting into growing pot I couldn't keep a house plant alive to save my life. Did my first DWC grow in '01 before it was even a thing and had great grows right from the start with the old version of AN 3-part that needed to be pH balanced before watering. Never had calmag and never saw any deficiency problems either so I gotta laugh sometimes at how so many seem to think it's some sort of miracle cure for anything that ails pot. I use it now but very sparingly so a litre bottle of it goes bad before I use it all up. Been using the REMO one and it seems to work fine. I really like that REMO kelp supplement called VeloKelp. Seems to work well as a tonic for ailing plants and with the amount of neglect I give my plants it's come in handy. :D

I tried real soil and never had any luck but outside using about a 50:50 mix of real soil with compost added and promix my aautos did just fine but can't do that any more with hemp farms popping up near me. Last summer's plants got well seeded but I didn't know until I started trimming up the first one. The other 4 are still hanging in the basement wrapped in clear garbage bags until I get around to them. Was wondering why they seemed to not do as good as the previous summer's plants but now I know.

:peace:
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Funny enough I could never master soil either. I did 7 grows with both happy frog and ocean forest and I just couldn't get the hang of it. Meanwhile first pro mix grow is my second best if not best harvest and I messed up half of veg with PH issues so I'm expecting huge results from my next grow. I do use DG so I'd say you're spot on about using hydro nutes with pro mix.
 
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