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Best growing technique for 3 X 3 LED tent?

tstick

Well-Known Member
Hi.

So, I have a 3 X 3 tent (HydroHut) and I had planned to try and grow 4 5-gallon containers Super Soil in it. Vegged for 7 weeks. But, along the way, after a few toppings, the plants started to bush out and crowd each other. As luck would have it, 3 of the 4 plants I had started turned out male or hermied…..which left me with ONE plant only.

However, it was almost a blessing in disguise, because that plant was able to get ALL the light (Area 51 SGS -160 and some UVB CFLs)…and it's doing really well. But it easily takes up most of the space, by itself. I've got it staked, but it 's still bushy and wide.

I'm kind of looking ahead to my next grow and want to try 2 plants in 7-gallonn containers, instead of 4 in 5 gallon containers. Maybe I'll veg them for 6 weeks instead of 7 and then use a tomato cage to train them a bit….? Strains will likely be Sativa-dominant hybrids…so I know they tend to stretch more.

Does that sound like a good plan? ….Advice?

Would it be better to scrog two plants in 7 gallon containers? Will I still get some big buds that way?

Thanks
 

Thunderbum

Member
Hi.

So, I have a 3 X 3 tent (HydroHut) and I had planned to try and grow 4 5-gallon containers Super Soil in it. Vegged for 7 weeks. But, along the way, after a few toppings, the plants started to bush out and crowd each other. As luck would have it, 3 of the 4 plants I had started turned out male or hermied…..which left me with ONE plant only.

However, it was almost a blessing in disguise, because that plant was able to get ALL the light (Area 51 SGS -160 and some UVB CFLs)…and it's doing really well. But it easily takes up most of the space, by itself. I've got it staked, but it 's still bushy and wide.

I'm kind of looking ahead to my next grow and want to try 2 plants in 7-gallonn containers, instead of 4 in 5 gallon containers. Maybe I'll veg them for 6 weeks instead of 7 and then use a tomato cage to train them a bit….? Strains will likely be Sativa-dominant hybrids…so I know they tend to stretch more.

Does that sound like a good plan? ….Advice?

Would it be better to scrog two plants in 7 gallon containers? Will I still get some big buds that way?

Thanks

You may read some confusing stuff that people have posted. Do not take everything you read as correct.
I grow in a 2 foot by 2 foot cupboard. I can therefore only grow one plant at a time but get 4oz per plant per grow on a regular basis. I use a Vipar B2x2 LED light as my main light. This runs cool and is a very efficient emitter of light and ideal for my size of small grow. I have two Procyon 50W supplementals for side lightning when needed (Later in the cycle as the plant increases in size). I went this way because in such a small grow-space my 250W HPS heat-stressed my plants. Even my 350W CFL got the cupboard too hot. There is also an issue of light density.

Plants can only absorb a certain amount of light before they become saturated. After this adding more and more light reduces hte efficiency of photosynthseis. A lot of stuff is talked about lumens and PAR radiation - most of it very complicated and not necessarily relevant. Lux measures the number of photons hitting a surface. If these photons are of a type that the plant can use (Primarily but not exclusively blue and red) then all you have to worry about is light density. The max a plant can absorb is 50,000 lux. After this phtotosynthesis is starting to bleach out as the light density breaks apart some of the photosynthetic enzymes. If you carry on increasing light untill you hit 90,000 lux photosynthesis will stop. This is called solarisation.

From an economic and horticultural standpoint you do not want more than 50,000 lux or you will be wasting money and reducing the efficiency of your grow. The excess heat is insult to injury particularly in a small grow cupboard. If you get a light meter, read your lighting at the plant canopy and raise/lower your LED panel as needed to maintain roughly 50k lux. I top them out as soon as I can, to get the laterals growing and to give me an even canopy. Use a propriety nutient solution and dont muck it about. The manufacturers have optimised their product for peak effectiveness - dont try to second-guess them!! I use Cannaveg and Cannaflores for Veg and Flowering respectively. Works like charm and I see no reason to change.

I use DWC hydroponic. I made a 30 litre tank from a plastic container that I bought from a supermarket. I cut a hole in the top of the lid to take a net pot and covererd the tank with Mylar. I drilled holes in it to take in two small air-lines which go to air-stones under the root-ball. The airlines are fed by an air-pump from an aquarium supplier. No probs there.

You need to know WTF is going on inside the tank. For this I suggest a tri-meter which reads Ph of the nutrient solution, EC or Electical conductivity (nutrient density), and tank nutrient solution temperature. If one of these parameters goes out of spec you will know and can do something abpout it. Ph should be between 5.2 qnd 6.2. If this goes out of spec the uptake of nutrient/water will be less than optimum. EC depends on make of nutrient you are using. This is usually recommended on the back of bottle. Root Temperature should be in low 20's C.

Lastly - there seems to be a lot of emotion about grow-lights with some people supporting their favourites with surprising passion. Dont get involved in all that crap. Do what works and your main problem will be what to do with all that high quality bud that you have hanging around. If you need anything further explaining please feel free to ask by pm or posting.
 
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puffenuff

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In a 3x3, I would do 6 plants vegged 3 or 4 weeks from clones in either 2 or 3 gallon fabric pots. I prefer a little bit of space between the plants so I can slide them around and inspect them better.

Just my style. Everyone likes something different.

If you go with large pots then a longer veg time and some training would be beneficial. Bigger pots tend to get bigger buds in general if that's what you're looking for. More roots, more fruits. I personally prefer medium size buds. You can get the same yield with smaller plants but just requires more in number.

Good luck.
 

nevergoodenuf

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Instead of going to 7g pots, switch to 5g grow bags. I have a plant flowering in a 2g bag and it's 3' tall and almost 3' across. The cloth bags, in my opinion, can grow bigger plants in smaller bags compared to plastic pots.
 

Silky Shagsalot

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since you're in a limited space, a 7 gal. container really isn't necessary, and would actually cause probs. for you. as mentioned, "more roots/more fruits." true, but with limited space, you need to allow for that. i wouldn't go bigger than say, 2 to 3 gals. rule of thumb is, one gallon of medium, per foot of vertical growth. so 7 gals. would encourage your plants to grow tall. as for lights, you don't need to worry about too much. in tents, heat is usually an issue once you get in the 1000 watt range. don't plan on long veg times. use the plants height to choose when to go to flower. i never let them get past 12", before putting them into flower. you'd prob. do well with a scrog. imo, scrog is gonna yield better than normal grow.
 

Thunderbum

Member
Height is not determined by the size of the nutrient container or root ball unkess it really constricts nutrient supply. It is determined by a combination of temperature and light density. If you maintain 50,000 lux and keep your temperature well down you will have short internodes and a short (for its phenotype) plant. This is a side benefit of LED for a small enclosed grow-space. Obviously if you have a big-ass sativa strain nothing will keep it short. If light is low and temperatue is high your plant/s will stretch like bastards. With six plants in 9 square feet you have 1.5 sf per plant. I am giving mine 4sf for one plant but using fast-cycle plants and getting 4oz per cycle. As someone above said - different growers, different styles.
 

DonAlejandroVega

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with that light, do one plant, ScrOG'd, imo. with ScrOG, you will get smaller buds, but more of them. I like the end results of ScrOG. if its for your head, training methods add flexibility to your grows, and are lots of fun. to a horti-nerd like me, at least.
 

Thunderbum

Member
with that light, do one plant, ScrOG'd, imo. with ScrOG, you will get smaller buds, but more of them. I like the end results of ScrOG. if its for your head, training methods add flexibility to your grows, and are lots of fun. to a horti-nerd like me, at least.
That what I am doing Don. It works like a charm|!! The only exception is that I cannot take the LED panel right up to the plant as it would exceed 50k lux at the canopy (it gets up to 85,000 lux when it is very close). The bitch pumps out a LOT of light.
 
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Thunderbum

Member
cool. I did one in a bucket on wheels. I rotated the whole shootin' match to do my under-story pruning. ScrOG'in is cool. I love my LST's also. different routes to the same place.
Dude that is cool!! I must admit to having a good chuckle at the thought of a grow on wheels! Unfortunately I am DWC hydro with two air-lines and two sensor wires coming out of my tank so I cannot pull the same stunt.
 

DonAlejandroVega

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Dude that is cool!! I must admit to having a good chuckle at the thought of a grow on wheels! Unfortunately I am DWC hydro with two air-lines and two sensor wires coming out of my tank so I cannot pull the same stunt.
ah.....the freedom of soil :)

and.......lugging mix, disposing of root-balls, dirt everywhere........
 

Thunderbum

Member
ah.....the freedom of soil :)

and.......lugging mix, disposing of root-balls, dirt everywhere........
I am crying into my beer for you :-) Try lugging 5 gallons of liquid nutrient around. I invented a gadget to help. I installed a 12v power supply in my grow cupboard (with a non-standard round-pin socket to prevent mistakes), I then bought a 12v caravan bilge pump and attached a pipe and flex/plug. I gave it a foot-switch to control it. I now shift all nutrient by pump to save all the lifting. It still gets all over the floor if I am not careful so perhaps you can have a weep into your beer for me as well!!
 

DonAlejandroVega

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I am crying into my beer for you :-) Try lugging 5 gallons of liquid nutrient around. I invented a gadget to help. I installed a 12v power supply in my grow cupboard (with a non-standard round-pin socket to prevent mistakes), I then bought a 12v caravan bilge pump and attached a pipe and flex/plug. I gave it a foot-switch to control it. I now shift all nutrient by pump to save all the lifting. It still gets all over the floor if I am not careful so perhaps you can have a weep into your beer for me as well!!
lol.......I know. my gro-bro does hydro. no winning, unless you do rat-ass native soil grows, and wind up with 12' bamboo trees, with a half-ounce of bud on them.
 
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