Best lights, lighting for a 4x4?
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HydroRed
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Let me put it like this, if you do 36 small plants with no veg time in a 4x4 under a 600W hps, you will likely pull more weight in the same amount of time since there is a quicker turn around time vs a long veg period on 2 plants in the same 4x4 space. I dont mean just on one grow either. I mean as an overall average over a 1 yr period.
EXAMPLE:
If you grew 36 plants in a 4x4 with a 600W hps and managed to pull 10 grams of just top colas from each plant (which is very achievable with a decent strain and very basic knowledge) you will yield 360g- and you can do it in 9 weeks total.
52wks in a year divided by 9 weeks is approx 5 complete runs with time for cleanups/maint etc in between each run.
13oz x 5 runs=65Oz per year
If you grew 2 plants in the same 4x4 with the same 600W hps and managed to pull 20 oz from both plants (which is a very realistic number since you are growing big bushes and eveything under your scrog net will be larfy scrub buds and worth a shit other than extracts)
you will yield 20oz-and you can do it in 16 weeks total.
52 weeks in a year divided by 16 weeks is approx 3 complete runs with a little time for cleanup/maint in between each run.
20oz x 3 runs=60 Oz per year.
Not only would you be getting 5 oz a year more by growing more,smaller plants, you would be saving a ton of cash not running your lights for a 18/6 or even a 24hr lights on veg cycle 6 months out of the year.
Keep in mind this is only an example but it is a realistic one to help put things into perspective in terms of growing and yeilds vs money & time spent getting it. Hope this helps!
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Feisty1UR
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That's exactly what I going to do in the first place lol, but you made it sound more complicated
I've got 9 seedlings atm under 3 40-60w CFL's, I'm going to pick a mother from these - This run. Then use the best producing mother for the SoG. Only vegging them for a month then flower just to see their potential.
Take cuttings beforehand obviously and have a separate tent to root/grow, then once my flower room is finished make a decision which is the best plant and use the cuttings I took from it before i put it into flower and grow that into a mother plant and keep her in veg - and throw the other cuttings out which suck
Feisty1UR
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Thanks dude. Have you ever done a SoG style grow before? Feels like it's gunna be ALOT of hassle to keep watering them 1-2 times a day
HydroRed
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Run your coco on a drip feed system. Auto feed from a timer controlled pump like 2-3 times a day from a master res. Then you dont need to really babysit much more than just the main res in regards to feeding.
Feisty1UR
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Ah fuck... Even more I need to read into :/
Are these drip system's complicated? I always thought these type of systems are for extremely experienced growers.
missing way too much here you should edit this. if i use 4 plants and veg long enough for sog i wont be happy with 10-15g a plant. forget wieght per plant causes too much confusion like your post. should be calculated grams per sqft. then make sure you have enough light for whatever your area is. more plants less veg time.5 lbs in a 5x5 space
Starting out in SOG you will net about 10-15g a plant till you understand the strain. Shoot for a gram a watt and go from there.
if anything in a 4x4- 5x5 area i would shoot for 16 plants for minimal veg time and best ease of canopy control. veg a week longer and you can do 9 plants evenly in a 4x4 area. that seems to be the sweet spot with plant count and veg time. but if you can make a 4x4 bed and use 16 nice clones single cola style sea of green you should be able to flip after 3 days of veg. just to fill up the roots a bit and flip to 12/12. just try see what works best for your strain observe how fast the veg and how big they get when finishes then the second time around you will know more about what the plant likes. doing it this way is a great way to be sure you will come out with at least 1.5 lbs which really isnt hard but people over think the lights and such which in turn makes it so confusing for noobs to learn. i get around 1.9-2.2 with a setup like this depending on strain. also make sure you have air movement on such a tight canopy and keep your humidity in check.
yeah on the 5x5 =5 lbs is someone talking out their ass. makes no sense you can easily calculate and shit on these types of people. if you yield 1.5 in a 3x3 means you getting 1.5 in a 9sqft area change that area to a 5x5 in the same style. is eqaul to less than 4.5 lbs cause 5x5 = 25 sqft. " lets use these numbers 9 sqft you get 9 oz for example. then 25 sqft would get you 25 oz. " this is if all things are equal in terms of lumens or par whatever you wanna use. watering and everything else being equal except for size of area. dont just listen to people question why it makes sense or dont make sense. if you know this much you will be able to sort out all the bs the world throws at you5 lbs in a 5x5 space
Starting out in SOG you will net about 10-15g a plant till you understand the strain. Shoot for a gram a watt and go from there.
DropWalk
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No you miss the point on what SOG means and is. You would like him to grow your style then figure out the strain like I already said.
TheChemist77
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for a 4x4 area, you can get 1 315 watt cmh and yield 400-450 grams per run in a sog style grow.. i agree that many small plants produce better than larger plants,, however i veg all clones at least a week before flip to flower,, i mean u can flip rooted clones, but depending on the strain,, sativa dominant plant can go directly from cloner,rooted clone to flower and being sat dom they will stretch,, a indica dominant strain will not stretch like a sativa so a indica dom clone need a bit of veg time if you want to have a 2n a half to 3 ft finished plant.. i feel the light penetration using either hps /mh/ or cmh is good with 3 ft tall pants or even up to a 4ft tall plant with good size lower buds.. any taller than 4ft to me is wasted small throw away bud...i like indica dom strains that finish in 50 days or less,,just to note, cmh lighting reduces flower time on any strain,, a 9 week strain under hps is now a 8 week finish under the ceramic spectrum.. so i take rooted clones that are low stretch indica dom plants and veg for 2 weeks under 18/6 to get the plants around a foot or 1 n a half foot tall then pack 36 plants or more onto a 4'x6' flood table to flower.. i end up with 3ft tall finished plants and yield 1.5 grams per watt using the cmh.. under hps i averaged 1 gram per watt under 2 600 watt hps's over the same table,, now i use 2 or 3 cmh lamps, 2 315's get me 800 grams or better wile 3 315's get me 1300 grams,,,however i feel 3 315's would be better with a larger 4ft x 8ft table,, its a bit overkill running 3 315's over my 4ft x 6ft table... i now run 2 315's 3ft above canopy and 3ft from cener to center of fixtures in line over the table and consistently yield 1.5-1.6 gpw...grow well n be well
Feisty1UR
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What strain do you currently run to pull those figures in sog?
Feisty1UR
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How big should my air-cooled hood be for the 4x4??
Does it matter?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnum-XXXL-Dominator-150mm-Air-Cooled-Reflector-/111269185417?hash=item19e8290789:g:if0AAOSwInVXHgAP
or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxibright-Goldstar-Air-cooled-Reflector-/111314183217?hash=item19ead7a431:g:EG8AAOSwQTVV8E81
Does it matter?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnum-XXXL-Dominator-150mm-Air-Cooled-Reflector-/111269185417?hash=item19e8290789:g:if0AAOSwInVXHgAP
or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxibright-Goldstar-Air-cooled-Reflector-/111314183217?hash=item19ead7a431:g:EG8AAOSwQTVV8E81
coreywebster
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It does matter. Depends on what if your just vegging or flowering too.
The bottom link is similar to what I have(not in use) it was great but from what I remember reading at the time the top one gives a better spread and footprint. Think its a bigger hood.
To be fair to the cheaper one it will likely give good results with a 600 or 1000 in 4x4.
Feisty1UR
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But would the bigger one give better? Results*
I was going to do a SOG with 36 plants.
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coreywebster
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I have to say I have not used the Magnum, it was a few years back I was in the market for one and went for saving the cash option. I remember a lot of good things said about the magnums spread, I'm afraid I cant find any links to back that up though. Were I in the market for buying one of these again, I would go for the magnum. I used the maxibright for a while in flower and the spread was good. But I am comparing it to cooltubes, which I ended up going with due to the lack of air turbulence in a straight line of 3 to minimise strain on my fan.
I would say the magnum is the better option for a SOG but that is a speculative opinion I'm afraid. Maxibright products are ok but should be considered mid range products. Both will do the job, one likely ever so slightly better.
Gquebed
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Ebb and flow is perfect for small plant sog....
HydroRed
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x2 on the Ebb n Flo or Flood and Drain. I'm actually in the process of changing over my entire hydro setup from drip buckets to flood and drain. I have a DIY for it that cost under $90 to build a dual pump single res 4'x4' flood and drain table.
Let me know if its something you are interested in.
Feisty1UR
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Yeah that would help heaps, interested for sure!