Best/most consistent seed company

Hi I was wondering what the best seed companies are. There are so many now that it's hard to choose from. Also are there any plants that don't have a bunch of phenos?

Alot of the spanish seed company's are doing a good job.
I use single seed centre

[h=3]Diesel[/h][h=3]White Widow[/h][h=3]Critical Jack[/h]

in the past i've used greenhouse/attitude/seed boutique/dr. greenthumb. by far, the best service, which includes phone calls, and stealth in shipping, goes to dr. greenthumb. only drawback is, he only sells his own gens. but, they are nice strains. worst stealth=attitude!!!

I used Herbies twice and both times i received my shipments sooner than expected. i have 90% germination rate so far

but what do i know, i is noob

-Trippy

I've recently used Herbies and it was super fast. 100% germination rate.

OK, seeing as the other guys are referring you to seed BANKS that supply stock from many a company, I will cut to the chase:

Gage Green Group and Bodhi. Both will give you excellent germination rates, zero issues, and you are guaranteed every plant is a winner. You can find Gage gear at quite a few places so dig around. Seedsman Seeds is the best bank right now to go find some good Bodhi gear. Both companies really care about their customers too. Very cool people. With them, it is about DANK, not money.

Read through this thread a bit:

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/518143-bodhi-seeds.html#post9812418

Serious seeds fem beans are all pretty uniform when grown out.
Most breeders nowadays just sell f1s so your almost always going to get phenos that are different, thats why you pop the whole pack to select the best for a keeper.

If talking breeder producers..

After years of mixed results from all over, I've been on a steady diet of PeakseedsBC for a while now, excellent results from a good mix of mostly indoor strains. Sannies, Bodhi and Gage Green are sure getting good reviews though. Going to have to try those. Mr. Nice has a very solid rep. Mandella, will have to try them soon.

bigseand said:

Hi I was wondering what the best seed companies are.

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This recent thread is a good start: https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/749091-looking-good-genetics-try-here.html

"Best" is also a big subjective. What's "best" for me isn't necessarily best for you. It helps if you know exactly what you're after, and that takes some time and experience to refine.

There are so many now that it's hard to choose from.

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That's for sure. I think Attitude seedbank lists around 125 different brands, and there are quite a number of other brands that they don't stock. Plus there is a whole thriving market in what might be termed "pollen chucks"; ie small batches of crosses created by individual small growers. Probably better to stay away from those as a new grower.

If you take a look at the list above, that's a pretty good place to start in terms of narrowing your selection.

Also are there any plants that don't have a bunch of phenos?

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Yes, there are consistent lines with minimal pheno variation. What you're looking for are called INBRED lines. These have been specifically bred for uniformity.

Creating inbred lines is somewhat of a lost art. While most of the breeders know how to do it, it takes a long time, a lot of work, and the market largely doesn't demand it. Consequently, most breeders really don't emphasize stability as one of their breeding goals. Also, not every line that actually IS inbred is advertised that way, so identifying these things isn't always as easy as it might be.

One simple thing to do is just to see if a breeder claims the line puts out uniform plants. There's no guarantee that this will be the case, but usually when breeders claim their plants are uniform, its true.

Also, most growers who are interested in uniformity don't start from se-eds, but from clones. They'll either start with a high quality commercially available clone, or alternatively, grow out a number of plants from a line they like, select the best one, and then maintain it as a "mother" plant to take clones from.

haulinbass said:

Serious seeds fem beans are all pretty uniform when grown out.

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This is true. Simon from "serious" se-eds is a "serious" breeder, and he's been working his individual lines for many many years, with uniformity being one of his stated goals. Thats' one of the reasons that after 20+ years, he still only offers a small handful of different lines.

Most breeders nowadays just sell f1s so your almost always going to get phenos that are different, thats why you pop the whole pack to select the best for a keeper.

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I think this depends on which breeders you're talking about, but its true that lots of them sell unworked direct crosses and call that a "strain". If you want to find stable/inbred lines, you certainly can, you just have to look for those.

You also generally have to be satisfied with older lines. I think a lot of newer growers naturally gravitate towards the latest/"greatest" thing, assuming that anything bred in 2012 has to be better than something bred in 1998, or even 1988, even if it isn't really true.

*TRUE* F1s, that is to say offspring of a cross between two different inbred lines, are usually not only stable, but also quite vigorous plants, due to heterosis ("hybrid vigor"). Some breeders do offer these, though I think exactly as you say, many more just find two hybrids they like, then cross those to create offspring with a mishmash of traits.

Easy answer, Connoisseur Genetics and DNA/Reserva Privada. The 2 most consistent seed makers in terms of highest quality end product.

I guess i should have used the term polyhybrid but thats much better explination than i can give without taking ten minutes and using the word fuck in its various forms trying to describe on the fly lol.

Bodhi's F1's are uniform as all hell. I couldn't tell the Dream Beaver ladies apart until 3 weeks into flower. Slight variation but not where it counts, identical smell and insane frost levels. Only difference is a few centimetres in height, and that is IT.

They all looked like this at week 4

Jogro said:

This is true. Simon from "serious" se-eds is a "serious" breeder, and he's been working his individual lines for many many years, with uniformity being one of his stated goals. Thats' one of the reasons that after 20+ years, he still only offers a small handful of different lines.


I think this depends on which breeders you're talking about, but its true that lots of them sell unworked direct crosses and call that a "strain". If you want to find stable/inbred lines, you certainly can, you just have to look for those.

You also generally have to be satisfied with older lines. I think a lot of newer growers naturally gravitate towards the latest/"greatest" thing, assuming that anything bred in 2012 has to be better than something bred in 1998, or even 1988, even if it isn't really true.

*TRUE* F1s, that is to say offspring of a cross between two different inbred lines, are usually not only stable, but also quite vigorous plants, due to heterosis ("hybrid vigor"). Some breeders do offer these, though I think exactly as you say, many more just find two hybrids they like, then cross those to create offspring with a mishmash of traits.

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It's pretty amazing seeing real F1s next to polyhybrids.

That sure is a magnificent weed plant with sugared trichs cascading down to the leaves. Credit goes to the strain itself, the grower, or both?

KushLyle said:

That sure is a magnificent weed plant with sugared trichs cascading down to the leaves. Credit goes to the strain itself, the grower, or both?

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Full credit to the genetics. One hundred percent Bodhi's work. I just gave it a soil it didn't like much and some excellent lighting. I fucked up and it looks like that. Full credit to the genetics mate. One hundred percent. If it wasn't for my stupidity, it would look even BETTER.

Jogro said:

This is true. Simon from "serious" se-eds is a "serious" breeder, and he's been working his individual lines for many many years, with uniformity being one of his stated goals. Thats' one of the reasons that after 20+ years, he still only offers a small handful of different lines.


I think this depends on which breeders you're talking about, but its true that lots of them sell unworked direct crosses and call that a "strain". If you want to find stable/inbred lines, you certainly can, you just have to look for those.

You also generally have to be satisfied with older lines. I think a lot of newer growers naturally gravitate towards the latest/"greatest" thing, assuming that anything bred in 2012 has to be better than something bred in 1998, or even 1988, even if it isn't really true.

*TRUE* F1s, that is to say offspring of a cross between two different inbred lines, are usually not only stable, but also quite vigorous plants, due to heterosis ("hybrid vigor"). Some breeders do offer these, though I think exactly as you say, many more just find two hybrids they like, then cross those to create offspring with a mishmash of traits.

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Agreed. I'm a big fan of serious seeds. I've grown out AK-47, The Chronic, Bubblegum, and Kali Mist from seed. A lot of uniformity in their lines. I wish that they wouldn't have fucked with Kali Mist, but I'm still a customer of their's either way. Simon is also a nice guy that is willing to answer questions in a professional manner. I know that this doesn't mean anything as it relates to genetics, but I am much more apt to support a company that has a decent chap at the helm as opposed to some douche-nozzle like Swerve with CC.

Mad Hamish said:

Full credit to the genetics. One hundred percent Bodhi's work. I just gave it a soil it didn't like much and some excellent lighting. I fucked up and it looks like that. Full credit to the genetics mate. One hundred percent. If it wasn't for my stupidity, it would look even BETTER.

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Well, you're keeping it alive, and it doesn't look bad at all. Bodhi's genetics have usually thrived for me, even when circumstances were not their best in my garden. It's true that there are usually less phenotypes in Bodhi's F1s, he generally does not use many F1 males, and he also tends to look for males that pass on characteristics like improved structure, yield, or frost, without dominating a cross. At most, you will find phenotypes that resemble the mother, or the mother's parents, and any that are truly male-dominant are pretty rare. Usually one or two appalachia or snow lotus dominant hybrids will turn up in a pack, but the vast majority will either take after the mother or a fusion of both. Appalachia is much more dominant in the crosses than snow lotus, but with the genetics being (Green Crack x Tres Dawg) this is not a bad thing.


And I gotta agree, once you have seen plants with true F1 hybrid vigor (i.e. a landrace x landrace or landrace x ibl or etc.) you will be all like "holy shit, look at that plant grow".

st0wandgrow said:

I know that this doesn't mean anything as it relates to genetics, but I am much more apt to support a company that has a decent chap at the helm as opposed to some douche-nozzle like Swerve with CC.

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I fully believe a breeder's personality will show in his work, and this holds true for all of us with our trades. Swerve

my two cents ordered from peakseedsbc and they arrived as ordered very stealth I had to really look for them. they are gernminating as of now cant wait northern berry.