Smokey_mc_pot
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And this is a water only soil? Should i follow the same method mentioned above or is this soil good from start to finish?
Best out of bag/premixed organic soil/super soil ?
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Ford Racing
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It's good from start to finish depending on pot size. Anything under a 10gallon pot MIGHT require mid-late flowering nutrients. Otherwise just add water
InTheValley
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KindSoil and then add FFoF on top. Water only, shit rocks for sure. You fill your pot 1/4 of the way, then add FFoF on top of that. If you want to veg longer, you add more kindsoil before adding FFoF.
so, 1/4 the pot of kind for flower, then 1/2 inch per week you want to veg. If you veg for 4 weeks, add 2 inches of kindsoil, 6 weeks, 3 inches. The plant will eat when and what it wants. Ive seen root go right to the kind soil, and stop just below the kindsoil level. Then, it will grow into the kind soil when it needs the nutes.
You water with RO water, which is usually 6.5 PH
Stuff is awesome, if i ever go back to soil, this is what I would always use,
so, 1/4 the pot of kind for flower, then 1/2 inch per week you want to veg. If you veg for 4 weeks, add 2 inches of kindsoil, 6 weeks, 3 inches. The plant will eat when and what it wants. Ive seen root go right to the kind soil, and stop just below the kindsoil level. Then, it will grow into the kind soil when it needs the nutes.
You water with RO water, which is usually 6.5 PH
Stuff is awesome, if i ever go back to soil, this is what I would always use,
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darkzero
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Exactly its pretty good water only mostly, but you will need flower nutes. I usually use it from start to finish all I feed is high nitro bat guano in veg and high phosporus bat guano in flower
Smokey_mc_pot
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I love this shit 
So much knowledge on one post
So much knowledge on one post
Ford Racing
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I would stay away from fox farm and kind soil. I've used both in the past. Coast of Maine is anyone's best solution for organic soil ready to use off the shelf imo
Ford Racing
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Fox farm ime always had fungus knats
DonTesla
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With all due respect to the good compatriots sharing here, and growing good herb, imo, one has to build their own if they want superior expression and results or get someone to build for them. and no I'm not saying vegan or vegetarian necessarily, but ProMix, SoHum, KindSoil, Coast of Maine, and FFoF, would never get recommended or allowed in my families homes, but that's just me, for they all have gross flaws. .. big ones, in my opinion, although they do serve a purpose for those who don't care about certain contaminants. When embracing / mixing with animal ingredients I look at their lifestyle and diets, as well as the lives of the plant inputs, any sprays/fertilizer before composting etc..
GMO potential, Arsenic potential, pathogen potential, hormone potential, heavy metal potential, P binding potential, Al leeching potential, compaction potential, aeration and drainage issue potential, and start using more robust ingredients, higher quality ingredients, vs taking the odd short cuts, and simpler routes, then big rewards do follow.. try taking the highest quality cleanest options available, if you want to see what you haven't seen, and want to know what you don't know- you won't regret it!
Do look forward to better, cleaner solutions available for everyone, no matter what country or continent..
sorry for the slackness in that dept. s:
meanwhile, I am MORE than happy to volunteer my time and help people build water only mixes, and help organize a list / source their ingredients out for them, anything they can't get at the store we can find online. Thats a lot of fun for me, so feel free. PM me or drop by.
Knowing exactly what's in our soil, oh man, feels soo good. It's one of the best assets someone can own, that and good lights.. best to choose wisely, I say, you are what you eat, and smoke, without a doubt, soil .. its more valuable then a new car to me!
GMO potential, Arsenic potential, pathogen potential, hormone potential, heavy metal potential, P binding potential, Al leeching potential, compaction potential, aeration and drainage issue potential, and start using more robust ingredients, higher quality ingredients, vs taking the odd short cuts, and simpler routes, then big rewards do follow.. try taking the highest quality cleanest options available, if you want to see what you haven't seen, and want to know what you don't know- you won't regret it!
Do look forward to better, cleaner solutions available for everyone, no matter what country or continent..
sorry for the slackness in that dept. s:
meanwhile, I am MORE than happy to volunteer my time and help people build water only mixes, and help organize a list / source their ingredients out for them, anything they can't get at the store we can find online. Thats a lot of fun for me, so feel free. PM me or drop by.
Knowing exactly what's in our soil, oh man, feels soo good. It's one of the best assets someone can own, that and good lights.. best to choose wisely, I say, you are what you eat, and smoke, without a doubt, soil .. its more valuable then a new car to me!
InTheValley
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interesting.
Just know, i knew nothing about soils, rushed into it, got the easiest route, and kindsoil looked like a winner. Just for simplisity.
And just like anything, you learn more everyday, and usually everything is a lesson, or a refresh. '
I would really love the total organic, safest, medium possible. Water only, but still get fast growth comparable to coco. Or even a coco tea, that has the same guildlines as the Clean soil follows.
Thanks for the insight Don
Just know, i knew nothing about soils, rushed into it, got the easiest route, and kindsoil looked like a winner. Just for simplisity.
And just like anything, you learn more everyday, and usually everything is a lesson, or a refresh. '
I would really love the total organic, safest, medium possible. Water only, but still get fast growth comparable to coco. Or even a coco tea, that has the same guildlines as the Clean soil follows.
Thanks for the insight Don
Ford Racing
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This is true but he/she asked what was the best "out of bag" soil...
Ford Racing
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DonTesla
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Its the Stonington blend that I was addressing, mango, with its little list of slaughterhouse-originated inputs, but in terms of the Platinum blend, hmm ok, sure no problem.. we can address that too.
At a friendly glance, (let me pull it up quick to refresh).. ah ok yes, yes, hen manure, that I'm a little skeptical about, peat moss is arguable, but you're on a good path, its a much cleaner mix then the above one mentioned.
To be frank, I also feel perlite is inferior in terms of aeration, doesn't make my top ten in terms of aeration choices, but I get it I get it.. tis cheap cheap and heavily distributed / mined for F all. Nuisance dust, causes cancer in rats, high Al ingredients just aren't usually my top choice, if better exist.
Platinum isn't cheap though, so no cheaping out imo! - I would have used biochar and pumice and lava rock if using that name, not to mention a few plant based / humus based aerations..that provide decompaction vs compaction.. like organic rice hulls, organic buckwheat hulls, leaf compost, coco shell hulls, anything but fuckin perlite, the least robust, and least forgiving, and least beneficial of all aerations...
kick a fabric pot full of moist soil with just 2 of my suggested aerations and you wont go back to perlite.
But to each their own, I understand its a pain at first to source outside whats avail..
Um what else, not to nit pick, but ..
no neem meal, ouch.
no greensand, ouch.
no paramagnetic minerals or GRD, ouch.
now to nit pick.
doesn't say where the kelp is from,
are they meat fed castings,
are they Japanese lobsters,
but yes, positives are, (Unlike Stonington unfortunately at least from a medicinal standpoint) no reggie blood meal, no reggie bone meal, no fish meal, no feather meal, so thats good.
At a friendly glance, (let me pull it up quick to refresh).. ah ok yes, yes, hen manure, that I'm a little skeptical about, peat moss is arguable, but you're on a good path, its a much cleaner mix then the above one mentioned.
To be frank, I also feel perlite is inferior in terms of aeration, doesn't make my top ten in terms of aeration choices, but I get it I get it.. tis cheap cheap and heavily distributed / mined for F all. Nuisance dust, causes cancer in rats, high Al ingredients just aren't usually my top choice, if better exist.
Platinum isn't cheap though, so no cheaping out imo! - I would have used biochar and pumice and lava rock if using that name, not to mention a few plant based / humus based aerations..that provide decompaction vs compaction.. like organic rice hulls, organic buckwheat hulls, leaf compost, coco shell hulls, anything but fuckin perlite, the least robust, and least forgiving, and least beneficial of all aerations...
kick a fabric pot full of moist soil with just 2 of my suggested aerations and you wont go back to perlite.
But to each their own, I understand its a pain at first to source outside whats avail..
Um what else, not to nit pick, but ..
no neem meal, ouch.
no greensand, ouch.
no paramagnetic minerals or GRD, ouch.
now to nit pick.
doesn't say where the kelp is from,
are they meat fed castings,
are they Japanese lobsters,
but yes, positives are, (Unlike Stonington unfortunately at least from a medicinal standpoint) no reggie blood meal, no reggie bone meal, no fish meal, no feather meal, so thats good.
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Ford Racing
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@DonTesla I know who I'm gonna talk to when I'm ready to make my organic soil! Thank you for your input. However, I've used Platinum for several years and had consistently great results. No deficiencies that were noticeable and only fed with spring water for 90%of the life. Everything seemed perfect. It's hard to see where it would need anything else besides what it has.
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Ford Racing
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DonTesla
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We don't know what we don't know until we see it! There's always room for improvement, if you're willing to look hard enough..
Kudo's for doing spring water though, thats a great way to take care of our precious cultivars..
DonTesla
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Would be honoured to have you do that one day, mate!
We do have open source recipes on the thread too free for all.. including ones with half the ingredients and more plant based options.. I will be releasing our very first organic recipe too, quite soon.. for all our readers..which is a near funny classic now that I look back.
The more people we can help switch to organics, the merrier!!
Ford Racing
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Looks like the pink gravy strain!
DonTesla
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That was an antioxidant / mineral foliar and Uv experiment that was very successful at enriching the gland cells in the trichomes, the cultivar chosen for the run was Tight Dojo from BigWorm, it was a real tasty bitch no doubt .. strong too.
Then I ran some tight dojo clones from the same plant and didnt do the above things, and no change.. no pink jewels..
looking to try the techniques on more specimens in the future!
The pink gravy goes pink without any foliars though!! Just UV alone on the GWB Phenos can do that.. GWB phenos also pump out high CBD phenos with gravy smells, its something else to smell! not in a bad way either, haha
darkzero
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I know the wetting agent used makes pro mix non organic can you educate me on anything else with pro mix. I use the ultimate organic one and add amendments when making my own soil from scratch so it can cook for a while.I also use sunshine natural and organic mix at times. I know about Fox farms and stay away from all of their products because they like to be metal heavy (amendments) and carcinogenic.
DonTesla
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If you're already down with amending your own soil, you are miles ahead, so I might kindly suggest comparing to a base of Vigoro Black Earth, coco, and fresh worm castings, if you have no compost available!!
But sure, happy to talk about them, is it the black bag you are talking about?
