Best Seeds - Who has them

MaryJaneNorCal

Active Member
Been looking through all of the online seed companys and damn.. Overwhelming, to many different types.

People that have had experience with seeds, what do you suggest that will have the most...

Company?
Thc %?
Most yield?
Best Taste?
Fastest growth?
Your personal Favorite strain?

Lets get this list going!
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
"Company?"

A ton of them: Serious, TH, Dutch Passion, Greenhouse, DJ Short, Dr Greenthumb, Peak, ... go to Attitude or Pick n Mix - not all good breeders are there but if they're not a good breeder they're not there.

http://www.canadianhempco.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4_71&zenid=kt34gfk2254jq128q7j22n86j4
http://www.pickandmixseeds.co.uk/
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/
http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm
http://www.peakseedsbc.com/seeds.htm

I've used all of the above except Canadianhempco, if you're ordering for the first time I'd recommend going with one of those 4 or research Canadianhempco in the seed bank section or with google - Attitude and Pick 'n Mix are first rate, reliable and have the best prices on a wide selection of great strains by great breeders. Use a pre paid credit card when ordering. Dr Greenthumb is first rate, trusty, reliable, and very, very expensive. Peak is first rate, trusty, reliable, and very, very inexpensive.

"THC %"

Not as important as the kind of high you want and smoke reports people post.

White Rhino, White Russian, Elephant Bud, Super Silver Haze ...

"Most yield?"

Chronic, Elephant Bud, Galaxy God Bud, Big Bud ... every breeder has their big producing strain, trade that off against a great high and get a compromise. Chronic (Serious Seeds) is an excellent stone, an amazing yielder and time tested by a great breeder. Some reviewers have said that they like Chronic's effects better than WW and other CC Winners.

"Best Taste?"

Personal preference. I love chessey skunks, spicy Haze crosses, fruity sativas. I always have a half dozen or more strains growing so I switch around a few times a day. I thought I'd like Strawberry Cough but I find it ... almost like a chemical taste, sort of hits the sides of the tounge. Big Laughing on the other hand ... you never want to exhale.

"Fastest growth?"

Elephant Bud (BC Seeds) claims the title although they are untested, and ridiculously expensive. Are you looking for the plant that will grow quickest or get to harvest quickest? Dr Greenthumb has Endless Sky that flowers in 42-45 days, very potent.

http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

"Your personal Favorite strain?"

Big Laughing - Dr Greenthumb

Easy to grow, tolerant of poor growing skill, 9 week sativa, amazing spicy wood taste, impossible not to laugh after a few hits, change of state of mind, silly silly weed. Potent.

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Now I'll ask you a couple questions:

1. Are you growing commercially?

2. What kind of high/stone do you want? Unless you're a commercial grower the effect is the first priority when selecting a strain, then other desires and restrictions come into play.

Do you want to rocket to the moon with AK47 or get couch locked with White Rhino? A euphoric relaxing stone with Blueberry or an uplifting energized clear headed high like Kali Mist?

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
Know your own stone

by DJ Short
(01 Sept, 1999) An educated and descerning palate is a key requirement in breeding and appreciating cannabis.

An educated palate

The breeding and production of fine quality cannabis is more an art than a science. A creative mind and sense of imagination is necessary to achieve success in this field. The other requirement is a very discerning palate, including the ability to discern and appreciate subtle variations in taste, smell and mental experience.

Anatomically, the palate is located between the roof of the mouth and the nasal passages. The intricacies of taste and palate are complex and poorly understood. The taste buds in the tongue and mouth make up only a small fraction of the mechanisms used to interpret taste and smell.

Olfaction is the term used to describe the sense of smell. The olfactory bulb is the main sensor used to experience and interpret smells. This organ is located behind the nasal passages – up your nose. The sense of smell is one of the most complex we possess, and more of the brain is dedicated to processing smells than any other sense. Smell is closely related to memory, especially older memories. Anatomically, this region is located between the cortex and the occipital lobes, above and around the ears to the top of the head.

Research and experience suggest that some people have a greater natural ability to discern taste and smell than others. The palate can also be developed, educated and refined.

There are many similarities between the wine industry and the cannabis industry. One of these is that both use "expert palates" to identify and discern the various desirable traits of a product. However, unlike wine, cannabis has another added aspect to consider: the type of experience produced by the product. Alcohol's main experience is similar (and overconsumption can be fatal) while cannabis provides a wide range of effects and is non-toxic.

Some herb is strictly pleasing to the mental palate but is not so tasty, while other might taste great but have mild or unpleasant effects.

Spectrums of experience

The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down" experience. "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.


Tastes and tasters

The physical palates of cannabis add another dimension to the equation. Taste is an important factor toward determining the desirability of most cannabis. The range of flavours expressed by the genus cannabis is extraordinary. No other plant on the planet can equal the cacophony of smells and tastes available from cannabis. This fact alone should interest researchers from several fields.

The range of possible smells and tastes a human can experience is large and complex. To date, no-one has created a fully usable olfaction chart, but Ann Noble developed a nifty "aroma wheel" for the wine industry, which inspired me to develop a cannabis olfaction chart. Like Ann's wheel, more basic aroma categories like "fruity", "floral", "spicy" and "pungent" go in the centre, and branch out into more specific aromas. So beneath "fruity" goes "berry" and "citrus", and beneath "citrus" is "lemon", "lime" and "orange".

The main cannabis aromas are: woody, spicy, fruity, earthen, pungent, chemical and vegetative – a wide range indeed. More specific aromas include pine and cedar under "woody", musty and dusty for "earthen", blueberry and mango under "fruity", and many others. Most aromas are possible through some combination of strains. Many of these strains were best expressed and acclimated when they were grown outdoors in their region-of-origin, or homeland.

Note that aroma and flavour vary between various stages of the plant. The aroma of a live bud on the plant, a dried and cured bud, and the smoke on the inhale and exhale, may all be different from each other. My number one goal when breeding cannabis is the quality of the perfectly matured, trimmed and cured bud and the experience it provides.

I strongly recommend the use of "tasters" to help analyze the qualities of a given smoke. I prefer highly educated, seasoned and critical elders as they tend to be the most helpful in their analysis and feedback. If there is the slightest drawback to the product, such as arrhythmia, tachycardia, paranoia, or what have you, the experienced elder taster will be the first to notice it. By the same token, if a product is exceptionally fine, the experienced elder taster will also likely be among the first to fully appreciate this. Besides, the elders always appreciate good medicine.

The best way to educate and train the palate is through experience. Unfortunately, there has been a great depletion of variance among the product available to the public. Most grow-ops focus on quantity over quality, and as a result a general blandness has developed. In future articles I will describe some of the great region-of-origin varieties that were available twenty years ago, describing their aroma, flavour, effects, and growth patterns.

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bongsmilie
 

MaryJaneNorCal

Active Member
"Company?"

Now I'll ask you a couple questions:

1. Are you growing commercially?

2. What kind of high/stone do you want? Unless you're a commercial grower the effect is the first priority when selecting a strain, then other desires and restrictions come into play.

Do you want to rocket to the moon with AK47 or get couch locked with White Rhino? A euphoric relaxing stone with Blueberry or an uplifting energized clear headed high like Kali Mist?

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bongsmilie

Hobbes

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post with all the information.

To answer your questions..

1. I havent decided if im going to stay personal or dive into commercial.
- If i go commercial, il end up going with white rhino and or ak47. Or would you suggest something different?

2. I will still be growing my own personal smoke stash. Which i will be taking a few of your suggestions and rolling with them.

For personal stash i wanted to dive into a few exotic strains.

Il end up going with a few big laughing plants. I do love a high that makes me want to laugh and have a good time.

When it comes to strains its so difficult to choose. Due to so many different types out there. And everyone claiming to have the best strain.

I have no preference on the high also, i do enjoy the different types of high that you get from different strains.

I guess what i was looking for was, the best strains from each company.

For Personal and commercial growing
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
1. I havent decided if im going to stay personal or dive into commercial.
- If i go commercial, il end up going with white rhino and or ak47. Or would you suggest something different?


Both would be great, but I'd look at Serious Seed's Chronic - great producer and some reviews say they like chronic more than White Widow and other Canabis Cup winners. I've read many people on here saying "I all I could smoke for the rest of my life were Serious' strains I'd die a happy man." first rate. If you go AK get it from Serious.

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/serious-seeds-chronic-3209-p.asp


I guess what i was looking for was, the best strains from each company.

Not all, but it's a good start: http://cannabiscupwinners.com/index.shtml

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
This is a list of strains that I either have mothers for or am going to order seeds for. I picked the strains that give me the effects I think I want and the best reviewed breeders. I've been able to keep 8 mothers going and I'll bump one out if I hit a strain that hits me back.

I find the hardest thing to dig out of most adds is the effect the strain is suppose to produce, so I scoured the net looking for reviews and smoke reports to fill out the breeder's descriptions.

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AK47 - Serious Seeds: Rocket Fuel. Up, soaring, not functional. One hit, incredibly potent. Stinks like cat piss and dead skunk. Or perhaps smells as if a cat pissed on a skunk and the smell was so bad the skunk died, then the cat dragged the skunk into a garbage bag and left it in the sun for a week. Get odor control if you're doing this strain.

Alaskan Ice - Greenhouse: one of the strongest cannabis plants ever bred .. a cross of original Green House White Widow and Pure Haze ... has all the well known characteristics of the White Widow, with a much higher THC content and a very sativa-like effect, energizing and very trippy. CBD level is also very high at over 1%, giving it a complete physical effect that follows the first burst of high. The taste is spicy and hazy, with a very well balanced bouquet in between the White Widow and the Haze flavors.

Arjan's Haze #3 - Greenhouse: Euphoric, cerebral high with trippy undertones.

Big Laughing - Dr Greenthumb: instant mood changer, you will not be able to stop laughing, up silly high, very potent. Easy to grow, forgiving. Amazing spicy wood taste, you never want to exhale. My favorite strain.

Bubblegum - Serious Seeds: uplifting, euphoric, clear, social.

Cheese - Big Bhudda: appealing fruity fresh smell, uplifting effect, highly pungent hence its name! No ceiling high, little tolerance build up.

Cheese S1 Feminized seeds from original clone - Dr Greenthumb

Durban Poison - Dutch Passion: The plant produces a Thai-like aniseed smell similar to licorice. A husky, earthy taste pleasant to the smoker. Durban Poison is well known for it's "up - feel good" high that produces an energetic, trip effect. A good beginner strain, inside or out, does well under artificial light, 8-9 week flower, 100% Sativa.

F13 - DJ Short: F-13 a Holy Grail plant of four-star excellence. Previously unreleased, a very desirable product and potential breeder. A more sativa hybrid of medium height with long, spear-shaped, dense and resinous buds and an earlier finish-time than most sativa. The superlative quality of the finished product is remarkable: A clear, clean, crisp head of the kindest order. This girl really rings the bell every time! Not for the couch-lock crowd, this heady sativa is for those who truly enjoy its stimulating yet comfortable appeal. A real day-brightener. DJ's personal favorite from this batch. Grow Location: Indoor Flowering: 7 - 9 weeks Yield: Average

Flo - (DJ Short) Dutch Passion: Unique motivating high.

Jack Herer (Jack Flash) - Sensi: Exotic high, powerful on body and mind. Trippy. The best Jack Herer is often passed around a select circle of friends - an example of one of those things that money just can’t buy. The trait common to all Jack Herer phenotypes is a dazzling double-edged potency - a stratospheric cerebral high underpinned by a breathtaking body-buzz with seismic power. Smokers should be prepared to feel the earth shake beneath their feet - which can be a very pleasant feeling when your head is firmly in the clouds. The cat's meow.

Kali Mist - Serious Seeds: up, clear, energized, no ceiling. Top sativa today, so says the advertising.

Power Plant - Dutch Passion
: Pure Power Plant has a pleasant almost pine after taste and a powerful up social buzz. Large yield, 8-9 weeks flower, VERY odorous in late flowering. The smoke after 15 days of drying and 15 of curing is soft,smooth,sweet,fruity (mainly citrus and orange) with piney undertones. The effect is mainly in the head ,uplifting with a good potency without body effect; very good day smoking, almost inspiring.

Red Diesel - Barney's Farm: up and trippy.

Skunk #1 (Original) - Seedsman: Like the origional Cheese: a sweet smell and taste with a cerebral high.

Strawberry Cough - Dutch Passion: up, clear, mild, melts anxiety, good all day bud.

Super Silver Haze - Greenhouse: Potent. Potent. Potent. Creepy and powerful on the body. 4 phenos, the best sativa pheno: Smell is fairly strong floral & spicey with a hint of sweetness. Taste is very spicey with a great hazey slightly sweet aftertaste. The high is a stupifying mix of Sativa and Indica effects. The Sativa side is visual mentally confusing (hard to think straight/concentrate) while the Indica is just enough to relax the body (kill the pain) & take away most of the edgy racey paranoia feeling of the Haze.

Trainwreck - Greenhouse: "Effect: Like the name suggests, a real blast. It hits fast, and it hits hard. Stoney on the body, confusing and trippy on the brain. A truly powerful smoke."

White Widow - Seedsman: Unique, refreshing taste, strong skunky smell, mind-blowing, sugary appearance, one of the finest quality highs you could ever experience. A few tokes of White Widow and you’ll be sent into a floating utopia. A light and airy high bursting with energy, White Widow is a classic, psychedelic sativa strain not to be missed.

I also have Blueberry (DJ Short) Dutch Passion and am going to get Medicine Man - Mr Nice, but they're obviously not sativas so they didn't make the list.

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http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis...dsEntrance.htm
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/
http://www.pickandmixseeds.co.uk/

If you're from the States, Attitude has a small Pick n Mix section if you want feminized singles. They ship to the US while the Pick n Mix seedbank does not. Greenthumb ships to the US.



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bongsmilie
 
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