Best way to tell when to flip based on lights?

im trying to figure out when i should flip. my lights are not the best and im nearing end of week 5 veg. height wise they are fairly small for my liking to flip. width wise they are getting kinda touchy to one another, only so much room i can spread them apart dur to running only 1 light.

i am running a 2000watt king plus led 390 actual draw based on company.

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sorry about the quality idk why it keeps going dark maybe due to the bluple coloring. you can see though they are easily touching and i can spread them out maybe half an inch to an inch more max other then that the light quality basically diminishes on the outside plants.

They look nice, i like the training. I would put a scrog net over the space and then veg them for another couple of week. As they begin to stretch i would use the net to align all the shoots and space them out beneath the light. Easier to concentrate the bud sites with a net, if it was me id aim for one canopy also instead of three seperate plants, i think its the most efficient way.

eyeballsaul said:

They look nice, i like the training. I would put a scrog net over the space and then veg them for another couple of week. As they begin to stretch i would use the net to align all the shoots and space them out beneath the light. Easier to concentrate the bud sites with a net, if it was me id aim for one canopy also instead of three seperate plants, i think its the most efficient way.

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yea i was debating on running a scrog but the problem is i don't have a truck to buy the big ass pvc pipes and cut um at home. the hardware stores here don't provide tools to cut pipes free of charge only they they have is a big saw for cutting down large wood boards. so far i've only see the extremely long PVC pipes i drive a small car so yea no way that shit will fit in my car.

will likely run a scrog next grow though been debating running one since my 2nd grow.

you got any links/videos to learn about scrogging properly? i might just build one at home out of 2x4's we got a bunch and i mean it's not like we using them for anything.

Go to the hardware store, buy a PVC cutter like this, they're cheap:

https://www.amazon.com/Cutting-Diameter-Portable-One-hand-Straight/dp/B07CTHZL1J/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1550035003&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=pvc+cutter&dpPl=1&dpID=411bYGxDYjL&ref=plSrch

Bring a tape measure with you. Cut the pipe at the store. You could use a hacksaw or box cutter too. That's exactly what I do when I need PVC..

Also, you don't necessarily need PVC. Not sure what your setup is like, but you can tie a string really tight around the perimeter then tie criss/cross strings in between them.

You could also easily make a wooden scrog frame. Or screw eyelet screws into the wall and hook a screen to those.

the grow is in my closet. maybe i'll just say fuck it veg for 6-7 weeks again and flip. save the scrog for next grow so i aint flustered with running around buying materials and i will have time to research how to scrog properly.

been trying to figure out the lighting issue though but i see people running like 400watt lights only issue is yea they do scrog or they run multiple lights. guess imma learn the hard way with this grow and hope for the best

If you are in a closet, the scrog is simple. Put four eye hooks near the corners and tightly tie a string around all four sides, then run string criss-cross between the perimeter lines.

Might as well maximize your yield with the scrog, with this method, it's not much work at all.

Lethidox said:

yea i was debating on running a scrog but the problem is i don't have a truck to buy the big ass pvc pipes and cut um at home. the hardware stores here don't provide tools to cut pipes free of charge only they they have is a big saw for cutting down large wood boards. so far i've only see the extremely long PVC pipes i drive a small car so yea no way that shit will fit in my car.

will likely run a scrog next grow though been debating running one since my 2nd grow.

you got any links/videos to learn about scrogging properly? i might just build one at home out of 2x4's we got a bunch and i mean it's not like we using them for anything.

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Yeh it can be as complicated or as simple as you want it to be, you can buy the netting online or pick it up at diy hardware store, i wouldnt bother with pipes i think its best for it to be flexible, ill find myself adjusting it occasionally. I would just pin a net to the cupboard, literally pin or nail it.
There will be alot of information online, i will lst my plants to shape them as opposed to fim or top. I will shape them before the net even goes on, eventually the net will be necessary.
Pin down the tops and higher branches using string to the pot, i make sure i have alot of viable colas.
I then place the net on adjusting the location of the branches, leave them to grow horizontally pulling them under so the net is almost full then switch to 12 12.
At this point they begin to stretch and the training can be a bit tedious, i always think u can remove branches but u cannot add branches so i will tend to verge onto the overcrowded side of things and prune as necessary.
You do get an eye for it but you need to allow the nice branches that will have big colas to grow through the net.
The plants almost have a sudden stretch going into flowering (it is at the end of this stage that u allow them to grow through the net) they then slow and the locus of the flowers take shape.
You do not need to train as much at this point, moving the occassional branch. I find myself focusing on pruning more at these stages ensuring the bud sites are not shaded.
It can seem like quite the task and never ending pruning but it will pay off.

So google is our friend haha, here is some pictures of some nice scrogs from google.
These are kind of like the different stages.
The first picture is a plant in flowering, but my veg plants are shaped like this before net goes on.
Notice the pruning, the lower part of the plants are completely striped and the highest point where the buds are, are practically stripped of fan leaves.
Dont go too over board only remove what is necessary but alot will shade bud.
The middle picture is peobably slightly overkill but they have just been pruned, the will be looking bushy at the top again within the week lol.
Its a thing u get a feel for but the nice even canopy and aligned colas imo is the most efficient eay to do it.
My last scrog was 62oz from 1200w. The powers of the scrog, 1.4g/w.

Is that 5 weeks from sprouting or did you have a couple weeks of seedling stage? I'm just curious. I just hit 5 weeks from sprout today and was asking the same question last night

Juiceifer said:

Is that 5 weeks from sprouting or did you have a couple weeks of seedling stage? I'm just curious. I just hit 5 weeks from sprout today and was asking the same question last night

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that is week 5 from sprouting. i logged my sprouting date in my grow log as well as 1 day without sprout. only took 3 days to sprout. all 3 seeds sprouted the same day. i labeled pheno's 321 from left to right before even planting and that is the way they sprouted in order 3 then 2 then 1.

yea i think im just going to invest in a pvc frame. i can do a cheaper one easy but the fact that it would be extremely hard for me just to get into the grow without a frame is the draw back. shouldnt cost a lot either don't need a lot of piping the area isn't very large maybe 6-7 feet max given the 1 light

Lethidox said:

yea i was debating on running a scrog but the problem is i don't have a truck to buy the big ass pvc pipes and cut um at home. the hardware stores here don't provide tools to cut pipes free of charge only they they have is a big saw for cutting down large wood boards. so far i've only see the extremely long PVC pipes i drive a small car so yea no way that shit will fit in my car.

will likely run a scrog next grow though been debating running one since my 2nd grow.

you got any links/videos to learn about scrogging properly? i might just build one at home out of 2x4's we got a bunch and i mean it's not like we using them for anything.

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I bring the lengths of pvc to the moulding aisle. Cut over there yourself, with the bench and the handsaw. Do it all the time!

R Burns said:

I bring the lengths of pvc to the moulding aisle. Cut over there yourself, with the bench and the handsaw. Do it all the time!

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i'll go check around im still trying to figure out how the hell imma set it up height wise. length and width i got down but height wise idk. idk if they even have one. we usually go to hardware stores daily since my dad works as a contractor but i've never seen any other saw besides the big one to cut the large wood panels.

you have any idea how high i should set the scrog up without adjustments? width is 2feet, length will be 6 feet just so i got room to play with and height idk right now plants are about 2feet measuring off the ground.

or do i scrog em closer to when im going to flower?

Lethidox said:

i'll go check around im still trying to figure out how the hell imma set it up height wise. length and width i got down but height wise idk. idk if they even have one. we usually go to hardware stores daily since my dad works as a contractor but i've never seen any other saw besides the big one to cut the large wood panels.

you have any idea how high i should set the scrog up without adjustments? width is 2feet, length will be 6 feet just so i got room to play with and height idk right now plants are about 2feet measuring off the ground.

or do i scrog em closer to when im going to flower?

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If they have the panel saw, they will have a handsaw. Down the moulding aisle. There's a spot to cut moulding. Do it there!
You want to start the scrog at least a few wks before you flip to flower. The height depends on your space, the light, the strains, container, ect. If you are just starting out, you may wanna keep it simple. Skip the scrog and just try and finish some plants. Advanced tech can be difficult for newbs. Just hard enough to finish. If you really like growing, you will get to all the techniques. Good luck either way!

R Burns said:

If they have the panel saw, they will have a handsaw. Down the moulding aisle. There's a spot to cut moulding. Do it there!
You want to start the scrog at least a few wks before you flip to flower. The height depends on your space, the light, the strains, container, ect. If you are just starting out, you may wanna keep it simple. Skip the scrog and just try and finish some plants. Advanced tech can be difficult for newbs. Just hard enough to finish. If you really like growing, you will get to all the techniques. Good luck either way!

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yea i figure they must have a fucking saw around was just gonna go and ask if they have one before i purchase the pipes. likely wont scrog in the end maybe i'll save that in the future focus on learning basic techniques. thanks for all the help everyone

Most of the home owner based hardware stores here will cut pipe if you have your measurements. The contractor supply houses don't do it.

Build a scrog frame and hang it by adjustable light hangers on the corners, full height adjustment.

Worst case, just buy a cheap hacksaw at the hardware store and cut the pipe in the parking lot.

yea i just said fuck it going to do it next grow. made some last minute decisions don't want to feel stressed out over the small stuff. i'll probably just go to the store with my dad some day shove the poles in his truck and cut it at home. the hardware store really isn't that far from my house if i need to i can literally walk it. only about a 10minute walk.

either way i mean i think it is good not doing a scrog for these strains. it gives me an idea of how they stretch and flower so for my next run on em i can get better results.

Thundercat said:

You could also easily make a wooden scrog frame. Or screw eyelet screws into the wall and hook a screen to those.

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I built a simple frame from 1x2 and drywall screws. Staples secure the netting to the frame.

nice. yea i lollipopped my grow they look sexy af probably coupled with scrog might be a beast canopy. i dont even know if i want to flower indoors or outdoors still. this grow is the comparison. all i would be getting extra is poissibly 6-7 hours of light but at a lower rate due to the sun outside. my first intentions was just to veg indoors toss outside to flower so i can continously flip.