Bet you can't figure this one out

Hi all, I've been trying to diagnose a problem for a couple months and so far nothing. Several months ago a weird ailment started showing up in my grows. It affects about 15-20% of the plants and doesn't seem to be connected to the growing medium, nutrients, temperature, light or humidity. It's happened during veg and flower, hydro and soil, ionic, botanicare and an nutes, in two different rooms. The first sign it is occuring is that the new growth will be wilted and mottled, with curled leaves that have raised edges. Growth doesn't seem to be slowed though, just stunted with very narrow leaves (I thought humidity at first but it's at 50%). I have a 12 plant scrog 5 weeks in and right now 3 of the plants are displaying this issue. buds appear stunted and odd, leaves are stunted, mottled and narrow. Yesterday I discovered a bad aphid infestation in this scrog and thought this was the cause of the issue, but I am having the same problem with one plant in a 6 bucket dwc system and 2 plants in a 6 pot hydro bin in another area of the room. The rest of the plants are the same strain getting the same nutes in the same medium and are not affected...yet...but some new growth is starting to look suspicious. I immediately inspected the affected plants for aphids but there are no insects or eggs on the plants or roots, so I'm suspecting that my aphid infestation in the scrog is a second problem and not related to the poor plant growth, but I am not sure. Here a some pictures.
 

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The thing is, I have been growing with the same methods and nutes for years. I wish I could flush it away but I think it has got to be some sort of fungus or environmental factor. Thanks for the responses.
 

chuck estevez

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I gotta tell you chuck, the damage in those pictures is identical to mine! Think Azamax will cut it?
had to use forbid on veg plants and floor/walls of flower room, got some predatory mites a week later and that seems to have worked. best bet is to get a microscope and check to see if that is your problem.
 

Saitek

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check your air circulation, had similar leaf issue when i had excessive air flowing. If your fan hits the plant hard get it off
 
I did just that and you hit the nail on the head my friend. I watched the little bugger run around the veins of an affected leaf. Verified against the images on google and your link. Thank you so much for the help. Can my grow be saved?
 

dbkick

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I can see you missing the aphids but the mites?? they speckle the shit out of leaves and you've stated you've grown for years.
For the mites mighty wash by npk industries, for the aphids (and the mites that make it thru the mighty wash) a rotation of pyganic and azamax. I use an airless paint sprayer and coverage is a breeze, and it's the most important part too. the aphids will be much harder to get rid of than mites.
 

dbkick

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makes me want to bust out the airless sprayer even though I THINK I have no need, good luck and happy killing.
 

HeartlandHank

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Wow. Good call on the broad mites. Have never even heard of them.
I get similar growth on seedlings now and then... It seems like my last few packs are coming out at about 8% or so.
I will have to take a closer look next time.
 
Not broad mites. They are absolutely invisible to the naked eye. Can't really see them with anything less than 50x magnification. Aphids are much more obvious. Good info though on the rest though.

I can see you missing the aphids but the mites?? they speckle the shit out of leaves and you've stated you've grown for years.
For the mites mighty wash by npk industries, for the aphids (and the mites that make it thru the mighty wash) a rotation of pyganic and azamax. I use an airless paint sprayer and coverage is a breeze, and it's the most important part too. the aphids will be much harder to get rid of than mites.
 

chuck estevez

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Not broad mites. They are absolutely invisible to the naked eye. Can't really see them with anything less than 50x magnification. Aphids are much more obvious. Good info though on the rest though.

exactly, I sprayed mighty wash 3 times in 3 days and it wiped out the spider mites, but it just made more room for the broadmites to thrive. forbid,avid or predatory mites
 
Dang, just ordered mighty wash:) I will try your other recommendations. Also, thanks so much for the help. I might have gone on for months checking ph and temps and chasing b.s before I realized it. Even though these buggers are a pita, at least I know what I am dealing with. Do you think my grow that's now 6 weeks in is shot? I've removed all the plants that appeared damaged but I'm sure some of the healthy looking plants will start to show signs as they came in contact with the affected ones. I doubt you can use Avid or Forbid during flower can you?

Thanks again and thanks to everyone else for your opinions!

exactly, I sprayed mighty wash 3 times in 3 days and it wiped out the spider mites, but it just made more room for the broadmites to thrive. forbid,avid or predatory mites
 
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