Better Hydroponic Nutrients

mared juwan said:

Here's what you get even if you DON'T use all AN products.... <GASP>

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Nice buds, but it looks like a bit of nute burn on the tips of those leaves.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

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I do however agree with you 100% on the subject of AN. I've looked at their marketing stuff and it is complete unmitigated bullshit. They make a big deal out of employing two or three qualified researchers to develop their magic juices. The reality is that there are tens of thousands of highly qualified academics researching agricultural feeds all across the world in universities and manufacturers.

Despite their limited numbers they come up with new products at a faster rate than the entire agricultural industry put together. If you took their claims seriously it would appear that three scientists and a fat marketing man were at least ten years ahead of the world's leading experts.

It's a complete rip off and I hold them in complete contempt.
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hooked.on.ponics said:

You're tired of arguing in the school yard, but you want to play "who's got the biggest dick"?

That's a stupid game to play online. How do you know my pics would be mine? How do I know your pics are yours? Maybe we could both post pictures of ourselves holding our ID's up for the camera.

I haven't missed what's going on here. I wrote an intelligent post laying out my side of the issue quite nicely, I thought. And the response was what was "school yard" here. You took one look at my post, realized you had nothing to actually say in response, and immediately went to the equivalent of "oh yeah, well you stink!"

If you can't counter the argument, just try to distract everyone from it, eh?

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it took you 18 days to come up with that response, i didnt start a thread saying my dick was the biggest, you did, thats why i whipped out my cock and showed what it looks like.

i had to show you my cock cuz your dippin' and dappin' when you don't know whats happenin'

just give it up man, why keep reviving this thread.

hooked.on.ponics said:

You're tired of arguing in the school yard, but you want to play "who's got the biggest dick"?

That's a stupid game to play online. How do you know my pics would be mine? How do I know your pics are yours? Maybe we could both post pictures of ourselves holding our ID's up for the camera.

I haven't missed what's going on here. I wrote an intelligent post laying out my side of the issue quite nicely, I thought. And the response was what was "school yard" here. You took one look at my post, realized you had nothing to actually say in response, and immediately went to the equivalent of "oh yeah, well you stink!"

If you can't counter the argument, just try to distract everyone from it, eh?

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Where was your "intelligent post." I must have missed it LOL. You have provided no actual evidence that AN is superior to anything else. All you have done is claim you've seen it for yourself. But then when challenged to produce pictures of your experience you pull this "school yard" BS.

Big P, this is like arguing with a 5-year-old. We should just give up.

Big P said:

it took you 18 days to come up with that response

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Did it take you 2 hours and 42 minutes to type up this response? Or was there some time that elapsed between when I hit Submit and you came along to read my reply?

I don't live on this board, so I don't check to see if you've said anything interesting with any significant frequency. Between my garden and running my business I only drop in around here once a week or less.

If you want to believe it takes me days and days to formulate a response to you, well far be it from me to deflate your ego. You're clearly convinced of a great many things I don't believe to be true and you're not the slightest bit interested in what I have to say except to think of ways to disagree.

Big P said:

i didnt start a thread saying my dick was the biggest, you did, thats why i whipped out my cock and showed what it looks like.

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Sorry, I'm not interested in your equipment. I wish you all the best in finding someone who is.

mared juwan said:

You have provided no actual evidence that AN is superior to anything else.

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Because I'm not an idiot. First, I won't be baited into photographing my op. I will never be caught because I am meticulous about security.

Second, it doesn't matter what kind of evidence I could provide. No matter how well AN performs in my garden it won't prove a single thing if you want to believe that what you use would do better. I can't go around testing every single combination of every single nutrient, and even if I did anyone who wants to hate AN would just decide that I wasn't objective in the first place.

Ergo, there can be no proof because in this situation opinion and belief will always trump it.

hooked.on.ponics said:

Did it take you 2 hours and 42 minutes to type up this response? Or was there some time that elapsed between when I hit Submit and you came along to read my reply?

I don't live on this board, so I don't check to see if you've said anything interesting with any significant frequency. Between my garden and running my business I only drop in around here once a week or less.

If you want to believe it takes me days and days to formulate a response to you, well far be it from me to deflate your ego. You're clearly convinced of a great many things I don't believe to be true and you're not the slightest bit interested in what I have to say except to think of ways to disagree.



Sorry, I'm not interested in your equipment. I wish you all the best in finding someone who is.



Because I'm not an idiot. First, I won't be baited into photographing my op. I will never be caught because I am meticulous about security.

Second, it doesn't matter what kind of evidence I could provide. No matter how well AN performs in my garden it won't prove a single thing if you want to believe that what you use would do better. I can't go around testing every single combination of every single nutrient, and even if I did anyone who wants to hate AN would just decide that I wasn't objective in the first place.

Ergo, there can be no proof because in this situation opinion and belief will always trump it.

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congrads on you business guess your some sort of big shot. I have freinds like you who always trying to make thier shit seem so cool or so important, its cool man, im friends with people like that and have fun with them. they are the type that will find out somthing cool, and then rather than show thier friends how to do it also, and let them enjoy it too, they say figure it out for yourself and dont share knowledge.

Dont worry I get,


im just the total opposite. if I find out somthing cool that is hard to figure out I tell all my freinds and show them how to do it. even if they didnt work hard for it. You know why? cuz who gives a shit.

you just got this self rightousness about you that is off putting I think.

Big P said:

congrads on you business guess your some sort of big shot.

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There's three kinds of business owners. Those who are big shots, those who only think they are, and those who know they aren't. Very, very few big shots in the group - most business owners are small business owners (something like 99% of us).

I'm not a big shot. I could make more money working for someone else and spend fewer hours doing it but I like the freedom of being my own boss. The point of me bringing it up wasn't to convince you I'm important or something, but to illustrate why I don't spend a lot of time here.

Big P said:

you just got this self rightousness about you that is off putting I think.

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I would call it self confidence, not self righteousness. It may be off-putting but I won't apologize for being confident in myself and my knowledge.

hooked.on.ponics said:

Because I'm not an idiot. First, I won't be baited into photographing my op. I will never be caught because I am meticulous about security.

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I just think it's interesting that this guy got all up in arms when I criticized expensive nutes. Remember, he even implied that I said anyone who buys expensive nutes is stupid (when in reality I said nothing of the sort). Now here he is CLEARLY saying that anyone who posts photos of their op is an idiot. That's a lot of people here on this site, buddy. I guess we're all idiots so why are you here? Your "self confidence" or whatever you want to call it is quite off-putting indeed.

Hello, some of you might remember me from the ol AN forums. I used to own a shop called hooked on ponics, and was an advanced nutrients tech rep for mondo pro shop. (US distributor)

I googled hookedonponics.com to see who bought the domain when I came across this link to this thread mentioning hooked on ponics and AN!!! WTF? Are you biting on my style?
AN was a job, I've been pretty successful with it. About as successful as running GH Lucas formula (1part micro, 2 parts bloom) AN was great when it was free, though you wouldn't catch me using the whole line. To find the right products of line, feels similar to sifting through elephant dung to find a peanut. I used elephant dung to describe how BIG a FARCE AN is. They have 4-5 products that I can say are innovative, but the rest of the line is cheap Copies of proven products like GH grow micro bloom, SBA/B, nitrozime, dry flowers, supernaturals terra, and the list goes on and on.
Big bud, overdrive, voodoo juice, scorpion juice, and iguana juice were the only products they didn't copy, aside from their beneficials which are crap incomparrison to most $10 pales of mycs, or trichoderma.

AN's New PH/PPM PERFECT LINE is living proof that a sucker is born every day. If you believe that after 4 reformulations on connoisseur, 3 nutrient calculator revisions that are still completely off, 60 products in their line, short shelf life, ridiculous price increases, unbelievable claims, ENJOY!

Thanks for having me!

Big P said:

some have gone as far over the years to seem to have tried them all

this is how I came to choose GH nutes

and here is why I conclude it is one of the best out there if not the actual best:

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I have a serious question related to this topic that I hope someone can answer.

If the Flora Series is a complete package of nutes, why do you think GH produces their own additives like KaBloom, Diamond Nectar and others?

Is it just to get more money from products that really don't add anything above what the Flora Series does or do additives really create bigger buds, higher yields and better tasting smoke?

I know, I just took a baseball bat to a hornets nest.

YGB

I've been using AN for awhile now and had good results, but I wouldn't mind giving something else a try with the price differential. I use

Sensi 2 Part-Grow A
Grow B

Big Bud
Barricade
Carboload
B-52
Voodoo Juice (when needed)
Overdrive
Final Phase
Sweetleaf

All you AN bashers want to give me some good alternatives, GH, Botanicare, Canna, etc.

Flora Nova/ Flora Bloom, that might be way to simple though
Unity

where you at hooked on ponics? you hiding under an AN poster with fat mike?

You have to blow the dust off this thread before posting. Sorry but you guys are a couple of years too late. Its great how so many pay attention around here.

No posters here, just some MASSIVE nugs.