Beyond Urgent - nute and water puzzle-unsolved mystery-help me-win a hooker

beensoup

beensoup

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Silky Shagsalot said:
well yes it is temps.! 75 is no good. i would say 70 is about the limit. anything above that, and you'll start having problems. you are talking about rez temps.?
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Oh yes. Res temps. H202 is a must. I have a home made cooler that knocks off about 6 degrees not hooked up . (No hooker pun intended). Warm water lacks in oxygen and promotes algea or and pythium. I doubled the air in this table and treated with h202. But that's not the problem in this case. The roots are actually looking pretty good. The Pura vida brown color is off the roots as well. but things are still yellowing. I'm hoping to give it some nutrients soon. WHEN i USED gh IN A ONE ONE ONE ratio for transition it worked. I may try it again and not let those treeehugger shop guys throw organic poo poo colored stuff at me.
 
old pothead

old pothead

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beensoup said:
Hi Friends, I've been hatin it with my new problem. i had a regular operation that produced successful yields. i used GH 3 part floro that I've used for years. Suddenly, one run, after changing solution to the bloom ratio, my plants exhibited signs of Mg deficiency but i had cal mag going. I flushed, changed, and saw improvement but when I upped the nute PPM to 70% of normal they locked out again basically killing my crop. I can run GH on a one, one, one part ratio but when i throw them into bud, They die! This happened in two mediums. First was Cocoa and perlite medium, Then I used a floating root, water table that I know works good and got the same results. i switched to GH Flora nova 1 part and it did the same thing. I'm now trying Pura Vida nitrients with a RO filter i just purchased. I never liked organic stuff and Pura Vida is not impressing me the way some of it's dark brown slime elements love to cling to the roots. i thihk I've eliminated GH as bad and figure an evil elf is poisoning the supply or there is an unseen undetected element in the water. THe water analasys seemed OK, My sodium/NA was at 9.60 mg/l. One person said it was bad. i don't know. The calcium is only at 9.8 ppm. my ph comes out at 7.4 and the ppm out of the tap is only 80 ppm. There is no evidence of excessive compounds in the water. My water temps are 68 to 74. The ph is around 6.0. The plants are now all yellow because i can't give them any nutes without locking out. The pics are the beggining of the lock out. You don't want to see current pics. Believe me.



I have an unseen enemy and have been without a harvest for 3 runs now. No scientist can seeem to find my problem. I've consulted GH. The Pura vida guy and all the grow shop guys in town. No one has an answer. If you can help me I'll buy you a hooker.:wall:
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You state that the ph comes out at 7.4,that will cause nute lockout.I start my ph at 5.2-5.3 and never have a ph above 6.8.I use only GH due to no salt build up in the bottom of my tanks,any other nutes i have used have had alot of salt when i change water.I also had trouble keeping my ph from rising everyday.Now i set it at 5,2 and never have to check it till i change water every two weeks.I do not use cal mag so i can not help there.I also use aquasafe in my water to remove chlorine and heavy metals.
I have found that running my ppms any higher than 1000ppm will make my plants look like yours,all yellow with burnt tips.OPH
 
beensoup

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old pothead said:
You state that the ph comes out at 7.4,that will cause nute lockout.I start my ph at 5.2-5.3 and never have a ph above 6.8.I use only GH due to no salt build up in the bottom of my tanks,any other nutes i have used have had alot of salt when i change water.I also had trouble keeping my ph from rising everyday.Now i set it at 5,2 and never have to check it till i change water every two weeks.I do not use cal mag so i can not help there.I also use aquasafe in my water to remove chlorine and heavy metals.
I have found that running my ppms any higher than 1000ppm will make my plants look like yours,all yellow with burnt tips.OPH
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Ok then i have a good question. But first the reason. I prep my water with a ph of 7.4 to a ph of 6.5. But no mater what, the next day it jumps to 7.0. I make the res 5.8 ish and go away for a few. Come back and heve to do it again. Probably 3 times before it stabilizes. I don't think I change it too fast.
Will running the ph at 7.0 hurt? I didn't think so but hey. I'm looking at all possibilities.:dunce:
 
old pothead

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beensoup said:
Ok then i have a good question. But first the reason. I prep my water with a ph of 7.4 to a ph of 6.5. But no mater what, the next day it jumps to 7.0. I make the res 5.8 ish and go away for a few. Come back and heve to do it again. Probably 3 times before it stabilizes. I don't think I change it too fast.
Will running the ph at 7.0 hurt? I didn't think so but hey. I'm looking at all possibilities.:dunce:
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I used to fight my ph like you also,i start at 5.2-5.3.At the end of 2 weeks my water will still be 6.8 or lower.I never check my ph now and have no trouble.My water from the tap(well water)is 7-7.2,when i put in the aquasafe to remove the chlorine and heavy metals it is 6.8.I then take it down to 5.2-5.3 and do not test it till i change water.
I have not had good luck growing with that high a ph (7.0),plant growth was always crappy.Some here say it is ok to grow in hydro with that high a ph,but it never worked well for me.OPH
 
beensoup

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ya 7.0 closes out lots of nutes. Mg is absorbed around 6.3 ish and other nutes are available at lower ph levels. I think keeping it at 6.0 or less is good. I would always try to keep it above 6.0 cuz in my system it would drop on me. I would go out and see a ph of 4.9 and my roots would take a beating. I would lose my growing stride and be quite bummed. What could be wrong with tap water htat comes out at 7.4 and only 80 ppm?
 
Silky Shagsalot

Silky Shagsalot

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beensoup said:
ya 7.0 closes out lots of nutes. Mg is absorbed around 6.3 ish and other nutes are available at lower ph levels. I think keeping it at 6.0 or less is good. I would always try to keep it above 6.0 cuz in my system it would drop on me. I would go out and see a ph of 4.9 and my roots would take a beating. I would lose my growing stride and be quite bummed. What could be wrong with tap water htat comes out at 7.4 and only 80 ppm?
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7 is neutral, that's no good for growing.
 
beensoup

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Silky Shagsalot said:
7 is neutral, that's no good for growing.
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Right but it should not dolike permanent harm to the crop to let it run up to 7 ph before adjusting. Also. I decided to add a buttload of Epson salt.700 ppm in my system is too high. I left the ppms at 7oo ish ND THIS MORNING THE EPSON SALT MUST HAE REALLY BROKE DOWN BECAUSE the ppm is like 1300. Unless epson salt is forgiving, I'm dead! Does anyone know if too much epson salt ppm is damaging?
 
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Mr.Rutherford

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old pothead said:
I used to fight my ph like you also,i start at 5.2-5.3.At the end of 2 weeks my water will still be 6.8 or lower.I never check my ph now and have no trouble.My water from the tap(well water)is 7-7.2,when i put in the aquasafe to remove the chlorine and heavy metals it is 6.8.I then take it down to 5.2-5.3 and do not test it till i change water.
I have not had good luck growing with that high a ph (7.0),plant growth was always crappy.Some here say it is ok to grow in hydro with that high a ph,but it never worked well for me.OPH
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how do you get your water down to 5.3 ph?
 
beensoup

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They're goin down and I got no explanation. Perhaps the roots are screwed. Too jacked up to absorb nutes. they are showng signs of extreme mg deficiency.
 
old pothead

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Mr.Rutherford said:
how do you get your water down to 5.3 ph?
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I also use Gh ph down,any ph down will work.I have done it so much i can get it very close with my first dose.I have very hard water with alot of minerals in it,the water will leave a ring on a glass bowl if you let the water sit very long.I also use aquasafe to remove all of the chlorine and heavy minerals.I think that might be a problem for alot of people and uncontroled ph.My tap water is over 800ppm on it's own.OPH
 
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i have used GH for 6 ebb grows i have found that for some reason the micro fucks everything up ...about 2 weeks before flower it starts locking up with the bloom...so i have always used the 3 part for the first 6 weeks cloning and veg then i just use grow and bloom ive had sucsess with about 120% bloom for what they say on back and about 80-90% grow .....i have just swiched to ionic grow and green fuse and the same for flowering and have never liked organic anything but this product is great never had lock and my girls love them i hope my experiance with GH has helped

just another oppinion GOOD LUCK and happy growing
 
beensoup

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CannabisCloset said:
i have used GH for 6 ebb grows i have found that for some reason the micro fucks everything up ...about 2 weeks before flower it starts locking up with the bloom...so i have always used the 3 part for the first 6 weeks cloning and veg then i just use grow and bloom ive had sucsess with about 120% bloom for what they say on back and about 80-90% grow .....i have just swiched to ionic grow and green fuse and the same for flowering and have never liked organic anything but this product is great never had lock and my girls love them i hope my experiance with GH has helped

just another oppinion GOOD LUCK and happy growing
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that's interesting to me being that when i change my gh nutes to bloom mix is when they seem to lock out bad. I'm trying to finish off this nitemare run with Advanced 2 part. I fully believe there is a lock out factor with GH that I don'tundertand. I tried organics again(pura Vida) in a floating root system and had a weird goop coating hangin on the roots and sediment siting on the bottom of the resevior and in the bottom of the table. I had to change, clean and use H2o2 to rid of all the algea growth off the roots. The plants weren't improving either. I want to try not using the Micro in GH but sounds like an experiment i can't afford right now. Once again organics sucked for me. A plant digests chemies and turns them into organic matter. No?
 
beensoup

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Ok, we're going downhill way too fast. i keep giving them nutes thinking they're ready but everytime I increase dosage, Kaboom they die. if i don't give em hutes they yellow but live. I think. I installed an ro filter a week ago and I think I got a tiny bit better results but . I dunno. did the roots die? They looked ok. WTH?
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beensoup

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8 hrs later, I actually see weird green spots on the screwed up leafs. and the buds are still plumping. IT'S ALIVE! for now. the good news is that it looks like the plant actually took in some food. I hope this is the end of my lockout.
 
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