Biden won

Fogdog

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279 EC votes are now certified ahead of the Safe Harbor deadline. Biden won.

Again.

California certified its presidential election Friday and appointed 55 electors pledged to vote for President-elect Biden, officially handing him the Electoral College majority needed to win the White House.


Secretary of State Alex Padilla's formal approval of Mr. Biden's win in the state brought his tally of pledged electors to 279, according to a tally from The Associated Press. That's just over the 270 threshold for victory.

These steps in the election are often ignored formalities. But the hidden mechanics of electing a U.S. president have drawn new scrutiny this year as President Trump continues to deny Mr. Biden's victory and pursues increasingly specious legal strategies aimed at overturning the results before they are finalized.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-state-courts-wisconsin-elections-119b6e1570f33af0baee1493cbbe012b
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Happy Safe Harbor Day, America.

Other than Wisconsin, every state appears to have met a deadline in federal law that essentially means Congress has to accept the electoral votes that will be cast next week and sent to the Capitol for counting on Jan. 6. Those votes will elect Joe Biden as the country’s next president.

It’s called a safe harbor provision because it’s a kind of insurance policy by which a state can lock in its electoral votes by finishing up certification of the results and any state court legal challenges by a congressionally imposed deadline, which this year is Tuesday.

“What federal law requires is that if a state has completed its post-election certification by Dec. 8, Congress is required to accept those results,” said Rebecca Green, an election law professor at the William & Mary law school in Williamsburg, Virginia.

The Electoral College is a creation of the Constitution, but Congress sets the date for federal elections and, in the case of the presidency, determines when presidential electors gather in state capitals to vote.

In 2020, that date is Dec. 14. But Congress also set another deadline, six days before electors meet, to insulate state results from being challenged in Congress.

By the end of the day, every state is expected to have made its election results official, awarding 306 electoral votes to Biden and 232 to President Donald Trump.

The attention paid to the normally obscure safe harbor provision is a function of Trump’s unrelenting efforts to challenge the legitimacy of the election. He has refused to concede, made unsupported claims of fraud and called on Republican lawmakers in key states to appoint electors who would vote for him even after those states have certified a Biden win.

But Trump’s arguments have gone nowhere in court in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Most of his campaign’s lawsuits in state courts challenging those Biden victories have been dismissed, with the exception of Wisconsin, where a hearing is scheduled for later this week.

Like the others, the lawsuit does not appear to have much chance of succeeding, but because it was filed in accordance with state law procedures for challenging election results, “it’s looking to me like Wisconsin is going to miss the safe harbor deadline because of that,” said Edward Foley, a professor of election law at Ohio State University’s Moritz School of Law.

Judge Stephen Simanek, appointed to hear the case, has acknowledged that the case would push the state outside the electoral vote safe harbor.

Missing the deadline won’t deprive Wisconsin of its 10 electoral votes. Biden electors still will meet in Madison on Monday to cast their votes and there’s no reason to expect that Congress won’t accept them. In any case, Biden would still have more than the 270 votes he needs even without Wisconsin’s.

But lawmakers in Washington could theoretically second-guess the slate of electors from any state that misses the Dec. 8 deadline, Foley said.

Already one member of the House of Representatives, Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala., has said he will challenge electoral votes for Biden on Jan. 6. Brooks would need to object in writing and be joined by at least one senator. If that were to happen, both chambers would debate the objections and vote on whether to sustain them.

But unless both houses agreed to the objections, they would fail.

The unwillingness of Trump and his supporters to concede is “dangerous because in an electoral competition, one side wins, one side loses and it’s essential that the losing side accepts the winner’s victory. What is really being challenged right now is our capacity to play by those rules,” Foley said.

The safe harbor provision played a prominent role in the Bush v. Gore case after the 2000 presidential election. The Supreme Court shut down Florida’s state-court-ordered recount because the safe-harbor deadline was approaching. The court’s opinion was issued Dec. 12, the deadline in 2000.

Vice President Al Gore conceded the race to George W. Bush, then the Texas governor, the next day.

In his dissent, Justice Stephen Breyer said the deadline that really mattered was the day on which the Electoral College was scheduled to meet. Whether there was time to conduct a recount by then “is a matter for the state courts to determine,” Breyer wrote.

When Florida’s electoral votes, decisive in George W. Bush’s victory, reached Congress, several Black House members protested, but no senators joined in. It was left to Gore, who presided over the count as president of the Senate, to gavel down the objections from his fellow Democrats.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's really over today, next week is just a formality. Trump is still blocking access to the DOD and the vaccine distribution plan, if there is one.
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Let's talk about Trump, Biden, and reaching Safe Harbor....
 

Fogdog

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It does and it doesn't.

At the end of the day, what locks Biden's win is simply that every single one of Trump's lawsuits have no merit at all regardless of what day they're filed.
Actually, if you want to nit-pick, what "locks in Biden's win" is he won enough pledged EC electors in the Nov. 3 election, in accordance with state laws, fair and square.

All of this is just to say,

Biden won.
 
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hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-trump-pennsylvania-election-results/2020/12/08/4d39e16c-397d-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html
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The Supreme Court on Tuesday denied a last-minute attempt by President Trump’s allies to overturn the election results in Pennsylvania.

The court’s brief order provided no reasoning, nor did it note any dissenting votes. It was the first request to delay or overturn the results of the presidential election to reach the court.

The lawsuit was part of a blizzard of litigation and personal interventions Trump and his lawyers have waged to overturn victories by Democrat Joe Biden in a handful of key states.

Trump called the speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives twice during the past week to make an extraordinary request for help reversing his loss in the state. But Speaker Bryan Cutler told the president he had no authority to step in, or to order the legislature into special session, a Cutler spokesman told The Washington Post.

Republican members of the legislature and Congress supported the Supreme Court challenge to the changes they had made to Pennsylvania’s voting system in 2019.

A group of Republican candidates led by Rep. Mike Kelly (R) challenged Act 77, a change made by the Republican-controlled legislature to allow universal mail-in ballots. Their charge was that the state constitution’s requirements on absentee ballots meant the legislature didn’t have the authority to open mail-in balloting for others.

Trump allies ask Supreme Court to intervene in Pennsylvania election

But the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said the challenge was filed too late — only after the votes were cast and the results known. Democrat Joe Biden won the state by a more than 80,000-vote margin.

The unanimous order blamed petitioners for a “complete failure to act with due diligence in commencing their facial constitutional challenge, which was ascertainable upon Act 77’s enactment.”

It added that some of the petitioners had urged their supporters to cast their ballots using the new mail-in procedure.
The U.S. Supreme Court rarely intervenes in a decision of a state supreme court interpreting its own constitution and laws. But the plaintiffs charged that the system raised federal issues. Although acknowledging that it is up to states to develop election procedures, the claim was that the federal Constitution was violated if the Pennsylvania legislature expanded the mail-in procedure without proper authority from the state constitution.

Further, they claimed the individual constitutional rights of Kelly and the others were violated. Their theory was that because the Pennsylvania Supreme Court dismissed the challenge because it was filed too late, they were denied due process.

Their suggested remedy was to invalidate all votes cast by mail in the general election — more than 2.5 million in total — or to dismiss the outcome of the election altogether so that the state legislature could appoint its own slate of presidential electors.

Pennsylvania’s lawyers told the U.S. Supreme Court that was a shocking request--“nothing less than an affront to constitutional democracy” that would ensnare the judiciary “in partisan strife.”

“Petitioners ask this court to undertake one of the most dramatic, disruptive invocations of judicial power in the history of the Republic,” Pennsylvania’s response said. “No court has ever issued an order nullifying a governor’s certification of presidential election results.”

Pennsylvania’s lawyers said there was no conflict between the state constitution and Act 77, and that the specific requirements in the document were for absentee voting, not mail-in ballots. Their brief noted that the legislature had set a 180-day window for raising constitutional objections to the plan, which the challengers ignored.

And it argued that the claims of a due process violation were undercut by the relief Trump allies seek.

“They do not explain how a remedy premised on massive disenfranchisement would accord with the Due Process Clause, which requires the counting of votes cast in reasonable reliance on existing election rules as implemented and described by state officials,” the state’s response said.
 

printer

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Until the electoral college votes and congress accepts the win it is not over. If a House Representative and a Senator do not accept the EC vote it gets debated separately in the House and Senate then both have to vote down accepting the EC votes. If one votes to accept the EC votes the votes stand. There is some way the State legislatures get to chose instead but I don't remember what goes on there. As long as Trump has any legal options to prove cheating on a scale to have congress decide to put aside the win it is still alive. It is going to be denied buy two Republicans if just to grand stand or to have Trump smile on them if he retains control of the republican party. He will have them turn it into a shit show before it ends.

It is very unlikely. Even if massive fraud is found in one state that one may be flipped but enough states would have to be shown to have Trump cheated out of it. The republicans can go through the process just to keep the dream alive and make the US look like a third wold country election wise.
 
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Fogdog

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Until the electoral college votes and congress accepts the win it is not over. If a House Representative and a Senator do not accept the EC vote it gets debated separately in the House and Senate then both have to vote down accepting the EC votes. If one votes to accept the EC votes the votes stand. There is some way the State legislatures get to chose instead but I don't remember what goes on there. As long as Trump has any legal options to prove cheating on a scale to have congress decide to put aside the win it is still alive. It is going to be denied buy two Republicans if just to grand stand or to have Trump smile on them if he retains control of the republican party. He will have them turn it into a shit show before it ends.

It is very unlikely. Even if massive fraud is found in one state that one may be flipped but enough states would have to be shown to have Trump cheated out of it. The republicans can go through the process just to keep the dream alive and make the US look like a third wold country election wise.
Agree that Trump has shown that our arcane, archaic and anti-democratic Electoral College gives a person like Trump a chance to defeat an election. Personally, I'm so done with the EC. I don't understand why anybody wants to keep the EC bug in our elections operating system, perhaps they liked the blue screen of death too.

But Trump? Nope, he's done. Biden won and it's time to lay plans for a proper celebration.
That would be a great thread.

We are having a celebration at our house on the 20th. I’m cooking my wife’s favourite meal and cracking open a bottle of bubbly.
I'm thinking I'll prepare a slow-cooked rump roast with a sauce made from roasted elephant garlic. Sauerkraut on the side. Maybe add in some tough beans, like string bean casserole.

If I lived in the south I might consider preparing a swamp creature like gator or a crawfish boil.
 

CunningCanuk

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Agree that Trump has shown that our arcane, archaic and anti-democratic Electoral College gives a person like Trump a chance to defeat an election. Personally, I'm so done with the EC. I don't understand why anybody wants to keep the EC bug in our elections operating system, perhaps they liked the blue screen of death too.

But Trump? Nope, he's done. Biden won and it's time to lay plans for a proper celebration.

I'm thinking I'll prepare a slow-cooked rump roast with a sauce made from roasted elephant garlic. Sauerkraut on the side. Maybe add in some tough beans, like string bean casserole.

If I lived in the south I might consider preparing a swamp creature like gator or a crawfish boil.
Sounds fantastic. I never tried gator but can’t get enough crawfish.
 

Fogdog

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Running with the idea. We have almost a month of celebrations. The next 5+ weeks is when we see Trump and his swampy, Coronavirus gang of coupsters exit through the back door of The People's House in shame. While tens of millions of Nazis cry the entire time. That's the best part of it.

Fuck Christmas. We can do that on a normal year. For a few seconds, just sit back and reflect on what is going to be erased when Biden takes charge:

The mfkrs tried to kill off the ACA AND Social Security AND Medicare; they passed a tax cut for the wealthy that added trillions to the national debt; they bungled a trade war with China and set off a recession in the manufacturing sectors; they did every thing possible to make coronavirus epidemic worse, causing 10's of thousands of unnecessary deaths; they sicced their police and HSA dogs on people who were protesting against violence from those same dogs; they obstructed an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, Trump will have to answer for the ten times that Mueller documented his acts of obstruction; the impeachment proceedings, which ended with Republicans admitting he committed an abuse of power and said they were Ok with that as long as a Republican was President; on Trump's words alone, with zero evidence or basis for their claims of a stolen election, they tried to disenfranchise the voters of Six states.

So, yeah, we have much to celebrate.

December 14, the day when the EC vote is recorded and the election results are made final: I'm going to get a bit woozy. How about serving this:


Purple Tears Cocktail

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Is there an appropriately named strain of cannabis that anybody will recommend?

We have other dates:

  • December 23, 2020: Deadline for receipt of election results
  • January 6, 2021: Congress counts electoral votes

And of course the inauguration.
 

Fogdog

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  • December 23, 2020: Deadline for receipt of election results
Hard to get excited about this one. Feels like a day for a nothing burger:

Tsardust Nothing Burgers
Tsardust Nothing Burgers

They said that stories of this administration colluding with Russian spies to corrupt the presidential election were a "Nothing Burger." Based on this recipe, it seems quite the Substantial Burger. With its 6 ounces of lamb (beef/ground chicken work, too), sour cream dollop, and American Cheese Disguise, this is a burger we will one day be telling our grandkids about. At least it's tasty.
Ingredients


1 1/2 lb. ground lamb
2-3 tsp. TSARDUST MEMORIES
4 slices American cheese
1/4 Cup sour cream
4 crusty rolls or soft hamburger buns
pickled beet slices*
toppings and condiments of your choice


Directions

Gently form the lamb into 4 equal patties. To keep the patties from shrinking into round balls during cooking, make a circular 1/4-inch indentation with your thumb in the middle of the burger. Start the grill or heat a heavy pan over medium-high heat. Season the burgers with TSARDUST MEMORIES on both sides and put the burgers in the pan or on the hot grill. Cook 5 minutes, flip and cook about another 4 minutes. Burgers will be medium rare when juice starts to rise out of the top of the burger. Add the slice of cheese for the final minute or so of cooking, or place it on the bottom bun and put the hot burger on top of it, just so it starts to get melty. Serve on a toasted bun with a dollop of sour cream, a sprinkling of beet pickles, and toppings of choice.
Prep. time: 10 minutes
Cooking time: 9 minutes
Serves: 4

Cooks Notes
*Beet pickles are sold right by the dill pickles. You can also make fresh ones by saving a jar of pickle juice and then adding peeled, very thinly sliced fresh beets and refrigerating overnight before using.
 

Fogdog

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  • January 6, 2021: Congress counts electoral votes
This is for real. This is the date when Trump has to get worried Biden's "hands off" Department of Justice. You know, the same DOJ that Trump has been fucking with for the last four years? The same DOJ AND FBI that Trump has been thumbing his nose at because "I'm Prez and you can't indict me". So, we need to talk about jailhouse recipes.

I found one for "Jailhouse stew" that probably never was made in a jail. Maybe by the guards in their own quarters, but nope, a "jailhouse stew" made with beef and fresh vegetables is as fake as they come. I found this article on the subject:



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Not into Ramen. Though the stinger, heated using a live wire and nail clippers is something I want to try -- AFTER my kids move out. I don't want to give them any ideas. So, crackhead soup is going to have to wait.

Does anybody have their own jailhouse recipe that they want to share? Trump is going to need some coaching.
 
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