Big Prob, Need Help Quick

tdiddy

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I just put 30 seedlings into my grow room and after 36-48 hours they are all dying. I have a 400 hps and some cfls. temps have been hot, maybe 100, but nothing outrageous. I did 2 things different this time. I used filthy rich potting soil that I transplanted them into just before putting them in the room, and I added lime. I tried to follow the directions of 2-3tbsp per plan. I've read that extra lime is fine so I wasnt worried but could that be what is killing them? What should I do?
 
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Fallen Buckshot

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100 is waaaaaaaay too hot for seedlings turn that hps off untill they get a few weeks under their belts or maybe add some airflow
 

tdiddy

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Thanks. I was thinking that but Ive its been pretty hot in there before and I've never had a problem before. Ill see if that helps. Def not the lime or soil then?
 
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Fallen Buckshot

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soil should be fine not realy alot of lime so that should be ok keep the heat under 90 and humidity around 40-50% if possible
 

tdiddy

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Well I've attempted to bring the heat down some and increase the humidity. Any chance the drooped over, mostly dead plants can revive?
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
Well I've attempted to bring the heat down some and increase the humidity. Any chance the drooped over, mostly dead plants can revive?
transplant them again and bury the stems right up to the first set of leaves and i wouldent use any lime if your soil ph is ok.
temps (75* day and 65* night).
LUDA.
;-)
 

Wise916

Member
Yeah way to hot. To bring the plants back quickly turn off hps for now if you can just give them natural light in a window and I would try to put a hood over them so that the humidity can get high. You can cut the top off of a two letter bottle if they will fit in there. At make some small holes at the bottom for some air. Before you put the bottles over the plant use a spray bottle to spray water into the bottle and place over plant right away. you should see them perked up in the morning. Give them no light for another atleast 5 hours from now let them chill in the dark moist air in the bottles you put on them for hoods:bigjoint:
 

meofcurse

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do not use hps for seedlings especially a 400watt.you should try only the cfls.metal hide are the best for veg but not seedlings.first time i grew i had an hps for seedlings and they stretched so much!
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
do not use hps for seedlings especially a 400watt.you should try only the cfls.metal hide are the best for veg but not seedlings.first time i grew i had an hps for seedlings and they stretched so much!

i always use my 400w hps for seedlings with no problems and it does not cause them to stretch.
you just need to get use to the lamp heigh to make it comfortable for seedlings.
LUDA.
;-)
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
Seedlings stretch due to the influence various factors. In other words the way the genotype is expressed is determined by the biotic and abiotic factors affecting its growth. The site where the plants are grown may be conducive to stretching due to a nutrient deficiency or other factors like temperature or day length.
The source of the seed is also important. If the environment that the plants were from originally was consistant from year to year (for instance, indoors) and/or encouraged stretchy plants (crowding), natural selection may have passed on the trait for stretchy plants. If the seeds were from hybrid plants that were crossed "Willy-nilly" the variation of the offspring will blur the distiction of phenotypes.
When plants stretch due to competition for light, this is known as the "shade avoidance response phenotype" (SARP). The light reflected off of other plants has less red in it because the leaves of the other plants absorbed it already. This is how the plant knows how close it is to its neighbors. When there is less red, the plant stretches so it can compete better for the light. HPS lights are high in red spectrum, so plants grown under them stretch less.
Plants match their phenotype with the environment, but this can depend on other factors. Temperature and photoperiod can affect the response to red light by limiting which phenotypes are expressed. Higher temperatures, shorter photoperiods and dense planting make the plant more sensitive in its response to the amount of red.
The SARP is really an interaction between abiotic factors and the quality of light. The size of a plant that has stretched may be larger than a plant grown under a full spectrum, but overall yield will be less. A plant grown under a short photoperiod is more sensitive to red, but a plant with a long photoperiod period will stretch regardless of the spectrum because it has time to make a longer stem. In fact under longer photoperiods, the plants become less sensitive to red because seedling elongation affects the health of the adult plant.The seedling is aware of it surroundings. The SARP isn't affected by photoperiod in a seedling because the seedling has to be aware of the density of the population, but if the day-length is short enough to induce flowering, then they will stretch. An elongated plant costs more to grow because your growing more stem and less bud. So under conditions of dense planting the temp and the photoperiod determine how close to plant to minimize stretching.
LUDACRIS.
 

tdiddy

Well-Known Member
Yeah mate i wait till my seedlings are a week old, then introduce them to my 600w hps. With no ill effects.
Most of them were about a week old and had been growing in the window. A few had just sprung up but the smallest ones were the least affected. They all seem fine. It's the older ones that are having a hard time.

I am limited on what I can do for temp. It gets pretty hot here and my room is in the attic. I have air from in the house flowing into it but that can only do so much. I raised the hps to about 5 feet off of them cause the cfls actually put off more heat close to the plants. Also upped the humidity so we'll see.

I've never had a prob before but I'm trying to SOG this time and have limited time to get it done. So I wanted to get them up and into flower right off.
 

Geozander

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If you in a hurry you can put them straight onto 12-12 will just mean smaller plants with less yield.
 

Cap K

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Seedlings stretch due to the influence various factors. In other words the way the genotype is expressed is determined by the biotic and abiotic factors affecting its growth. The site where the plants are grown may be conducive to stretching due to a nutrient deficiency or other factors like temperature or day length.
The source of the seed is also important. If the environment that the plants were from originally was consistant from year to year (for instance, indoors) and/or encouraged stretchy plants (crowding), natural selection may have passed on the trait for stretchy plants. If the seeds were from hybrid plants that were crossed "Willy-nilly" the variation of the offspring will blur the distiction of phenotypes.
When plants stretch due to competition for light, this is known as the "shade avoidance response phenotype" (SARP). The light reflected off of other plants has less red in it because the leaves of the other plants absorbed it already. This is how the plant knows how close it is to its neighbors. When there is less red, the plant stretches so it can compete better for the light. HPS lights are high in red spectrum, so plants grown under them stretch less.
Plants match their phenotype with the environment, but this can depend on other factors. Temperature and photoperiod can affect the response to red light by limiting which phenotypes are expressed. Higher temperatures, shorter photoperiods and dense planting make the plant more sensitive in its response to the amount of red.
The SARP is really an interaction between abiotic factors and the quality of light. The size of a plant that has stretched may be larger than a plant grown under a full spectrum, but overall yield will be less. A plant grown under a short photoperiod is more sensitive to red, but a plant with a long photoperiod period will stretch regardless of the spectrum because it has time to make a longer stem. In fact under longer photoperiods, the plants become less sensitive to red because seedling elongation affects the health of the adult plant.The seedling is aware of it surroundings. The SARP isn't affected by photoperiod in a seedling because the seedling has to be aware of the density of the population, but if the day-length is short enough to induce flowering, then they will stretch. An elongated plant costs more to grow because your growing more stem and less bud. So under conditions of dense planting the temp and the photoperiod determine how close to plant to minimize stretching.
LUDACRIS.
Good post.
 
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