Bigger yields

little things matter...like when you repot. i flip from one gallon containers to 3.5s when i put them into flower. i do the final repotting one week before they go into the flower room. that gives them time to get over any shock, but not enough time to fill the bucket with new roots. if they don't have room to grow more roots, they don't grow up top nearly as much. a plant that has been sitting in the 3.5 for 3 weeks before it gets flipped will only yield 65-70% what one that has only been in the new pot a week before getting flipped will yield.

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

little things matter...like when you repot. i flip from one gallon containers to 3.5s when i put them into flower. i do the final repotting one week before they go into the flower room. that gives them time to get over any shock, but not enough time to fill the bucket with new roots. if they don't have room to grow more roots, they don't grow up top nearly as much. a plant that has been sitting in the 3.5 for 3 weeks before it gets flipped will only yield 65-70% what one that has only been in the new pot a week before getting flipped will yield.

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A plant that is given more time to adjust to a larger pot will grow larger during flower and subsequently yield more than a plant that had a limited amount of time to adjust to the larger pot. You're basically talking about the difference between a 5 week veg vs an 8 week veg. Bigger plants will always yield more than smaller plants from the same mother.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

little things matter...like when you repot. i flip from one gallon containers to 3.5s when i put them into flower. i do the final repotting one week before they go into the flower room. that gives them time to get over any shock, but not enough time to fill the bucket with new roots. if they don't have room to grow more roots, they don't grow up top nearly as much. a plant that has been sitting in the 3.5 for 3 weeks before it gets flipped will only yield 65-70% what one that has only been in the new pot a week before getting flipped will yield.

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I somewhat understand what you mean but I am a novice my friend. Only 2 grows under my belt and they were small. Is it possible to coach me more on exactly what you mean??

homebrewer said:

A plant that is given more time to adjust to a larger pot will grow larger during flower and subsequently yield more than a plant that had a limited amount of time to adjust to the larger pot. You're basically talking about the difference between a 5 week veg vs an 8 week veg. Bigger plants will always yield more than smaller plants from the same mother.

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I may just be misreading his comment, but it looks like he is saying the opposite, that a shorter veg leads to more yields, and that an 8 week veg will have 30 percent less yield than the same plant with an 5 week veg.

iShatterBladderz said:

I may just be misreading his comment, but it looks like he is saying the opposite, that a shorter veg leads to more yields, and that an 8 week veg will have 30 percent less yield than the same plant with an 8 week veg.

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I think he's saying the opposite too which makes no sense. He's correct about one thing: giving veg plants at least a week to get over the shock of upcanning before going into flower is definitely a good thing.

Remo nutrients are BOSS

Greenmancanada403 said:

Remo nutrients are BOSS

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there all pretty much the same mate.

Greenmancanada403 said:

Remo nutrients are BOSS

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They are also expensive and overpriced like AN, but yes they work. And as far as steroids, theres lots that work. Test is a good base, maybe add in some dbol, deca or winstrol. Those should get you HUGE, or I mean your plants.

Bud2theBone said:

I somewhat understand what you mean but I am a novice my friend. Only 2 grows under my belt and they were small. Is it possible to coach me more on exactly what you mean??

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i start out in solo cups. then i got to quart size containers, then gallon size containers. i flower in 3.5 gallon hempy buckets. if i put the plant into the 3.5 gallon bucket one week before i flip it into the flower room, i get more off of it than if i let it sit for 2 or 3 weeks in the 3.5 gallon pot before putting it into flower. if it sits in the final pot and waits for a spot in the flower room, it's filling that pot with roots before it ever starts to flower, and once it actually gets into the flower room, it doesn't have the space to grow more roots, so it doesn't grow up top as much....it's not about the size of the plant above ground at flip,(which is a factor, of course, a bigger bush will have a head start, as long as it has room to grow more roots at flip) it's about the room the plant has to expand below the soil (or coco or peat or w/e) after flip....

the three in the gallon pots are ready to flip, but i'm keeping them in the smaller pots till they have one week to go..the one in the 3.5 is going into the flower room tomorrow, repotted it about 5 days ago

homebrewer said:

I think he's saying the opposite too which makes no sense. He's correct about one thing: giving veg plants at least a week to get over the shock of upcanning before going into flower is definitely a good thing.

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it has nothing to do with the total veg time, it's the time the plant is in the final pot before flip....you can veg for 2 weeks or 2 months, just don't repot to the final pot till a week before you flip it into flower...if you allow it to fill it's final pot with roots before you flip it, it has no room to grow the roots it wants to during the stretch, so the top of the plant is held back as well.....

Roger A. Shrubber said:

it has nothing to do with the total veg time, it's the time the plant is in the final pot before flip....you can veg for 2 weeks or 2 months, just don't repot to the final pot till a week before you flip it into flower...if you allow it to fill it's final pot with roots before you flip it, it has no room to grow the roots it wants to during the stretch, so the top of the plant is held back as well.....

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By your rationale, a plant will stop growing once said plant has filled its container with roots, which is not true.

homebrewer said:

By your rationale, a plant will stop growing once said plant has filled its container with roots, which is not true.

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it is true, if no one is feeding that plant and supplying it with a better than average environment. yes, a plant will grow during stretch, whether the pot is already full of roots or not. but it won't grow as many bud sites, and the buds won't grow as large...that is my personal observation, so i can't send you anywhere to confirm it. i've just noticed that the better yielders are the ones that get up potted less than ten days before they get flipped to flower...noticed it enough that it's become my standard practice. i don't care how long the branches get, i care how heavily loaded down they are, and the ones that get repotted later are the ones carrying the most

Roger A. Shrubber said:

it is true, if no one is feeding that plant and supplying it with a better than average environment. yes, a plant will grow during stretch, whether the pot is already full of roots or not. but it won't grow as many bud sites, and the buds won't grow as large...that is my personal observation, so i can't send you anywhere to confirm it. i've just noticed that the better yielders are the ones that get up potted less than ten days before they get flipped to flower...noticed it enough that it's become my standard practice. i don't care how long the branches get, i care how heavily loaded down they are, and the ones that get repotted later are the ones carrying the most

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If this is what you think you're seeing then it sounds like you're lacking wattage or space or both. Bigger plants yield more. There is no arguing against that, unless you're cramming too many big plants under weak lights. Are you growing under LEDs by chance?

Genetics
Environment
Lighting
Nutes

Thats pretty much the order of importance as far as yield goes. Same for quality really too.

SOG is the most efficient as far as yield ongoing over a period of time. But its lots of work

I think he is just saying to repot slowly. I tend to go from party cup to half 1 gallon to 1.5 gallon then 3 gal . Some people go from party cup to 2 or 3gal right away and the roots don’t really fill out properly.
Really don’t think he meant vegging longer produces less bud than or vice versa .
There are many other factors to consider

Craigson said:

Genetics
Environment
Lighting
Nutes

Thats pretty much the order of importance as far as yield goes. Same for quality really too.

SOG is the most efficient as far as yield ongoing over a period of time. But its lots of work

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Came here to say exactly this. These are your steroids right here and they are all interconnected in a relationship - if you have even 1 of these wrong, yield wild suffer big time.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

it is true, if no one is feeding that plant and supplying it with a better than average environment. yes, a plant will grow during stretch, whether the pot is already full of roots or not. but it won't grow as many bud sites, and the buds won't grow as large...that is my personal observation, so i can't send you anywhere to confirm it. i've just noticed that the better yielders are the ones that get up potted less than ten days before they get flipped to flower...noticed it enough that it's become my standard practice. i don't care how long the branches get, i care how heavily loaded down they are, and the ones that get repotted later are the ones carrying the most

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this is my experience too. just last week someone else on this forum said that he observed a correlation of fanleave-size (and number of blades) versus potsize. I think a plant that "feels" rootboundness will not want to grow as large or big because of the potential danger of running out of water, which it would potentially increase in an outdoor scenario where rootboundess seldomly occurs.

I've also had some large outdoor plants in 20-30l pots and at some time, they simply refused to grow as swiftly as I was used seeing that. but ofc there's no telling if this was due to something else being fishy...

Craigson said:

Genetics
Environment
Lighting
Nutes

Thats pretty much the order of importance as far as yield goes. Same for quality really too.

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I think Lighting & Nutes are a part of what's called the Environment for the plant. The term Environment really incorporates lots of things... but definitely Time is also a factor. Cut early or give it another week? What's best?

Craigson said:

SOG is the most efficient as far as yield ongoing over a period of time. But its lots of work

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Reading that too from a lot of sources, some run 100 plants under 800W 12/12fs every 3 months. Too much hassle for me even with dripfeed. There has to be an easier way, what is it?