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Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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Rob Roy said:
Both political parties are fine with running your life for you. Both are fine with forcibly extracting your money.
That's what makes them the same.

Sometimes they differ in how they will run your life for you and how they will spend the money they stole. That's the distraction.
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Governments govern, the difference is the quality of life. Every Republican administration throughout my entire life tanks the economy
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Moses Mobetta said:
Governments govern, the difference is the quality of life. Every Republican administration throughout my entire life tanks the economy
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Governments lie. Steal. Murder. Extort. Commit fraud. Falsely imprison and discourage free thinking.

Peaceful people "govern" their own lives, but not the lives of others thru threats of offensive force.

A moral and sound economy involves voluntary and consensual trade between willing people. A government run economy uses some (most? all? ) of the things I mention in the first line of this post.

The quality of life a person has is usually lessened when other people attempt to run it for them.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
Governments lie. Steal. Murder. Extort. Commit fraud. Falsely imprison and discourage free thinking.

Peaceful people "govern" their own lives, but not the lives of others thru threats of offensive force.

A moral and sound economy involves voluntary and consensual trade between willing people. A government run economy uses some (most? all? ) of the things I mention in the first line of this post.

The quality of life a person has is usually lessened when other people attempt to run it for them.
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Do peaceful people kick people out a public store due to color of skin or religion, gender ? asking for a friend
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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londonfog said:
Do peaceful people kick people out a public store due to color of skin or religion, gender ? asking for a friend
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I don't know what you mean when you say "public store" ? Doesn't somebody own a store?

Are you suggesting that a thing can be owned and somebody other than the owner has a right to come there and force the owner to serve them ?

Hmmm, I don't have a right to go to your house and help myself to a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with a glass of milk if you don't want me there do I ? By the way, I like orange marmalade, would you mind fixing me a sandwich?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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londonfog said:
easier if you just admit you were wrong. Might help with the learning.

We went over this problem earlier. refer back to your notes.

How did you file this year slave ?
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So, you're saying a right which no person has, can appear, if a group of people (none of whom have that right) congregate and somehow say some magic words ?

I see from my notes, you never answered that question, slave.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
So, you're saying a right which no person has, can appear, if a group of people (none of whom have that right) congregate and somehow say some magic words ?

I see from my notes, you never answered that question, slave.
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Your notes should tell you to stop confusing political science with the science of mathematics.

Why are you timid when it comes to revealing how you file ?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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londonfog said:
Your notes should tell you to stop confusing political science with the science of mathematics.

Why are you timid when it comes to revealing how you file ?
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I am not timid, I'm resolute. Nice attempt at a distraction.

Now onto your illogical beliefs...

"Political science" is an oxymoron.

You are implying that government is "us", it's "just people" , then you can't explain how it could have rights no person possesses. Your contradiction is obvious.

 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
I am not timid, I'm resolute. Nice attempt at a distraction.

Now onto your illogical beliefs...

"Political science" is an oxymoron.

You are implying that government is "us", it's "just people" , then you can't explain how it could have rights no person possesses. Your contradiction is obvious.

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You’re dumb
 
Where’sthecurve

Where’sthecurve

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Fogdog said:
To say there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats is naive.
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Actually rob roy said it perfectly above... one is communist at the core the other is religious ethnic zealots calling communism capitalism. To be short, I don’t have time to write a book. Many have though, politics is classical heigalian dialectic.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Moses Mobetta said:
When one party is consistently racist, promoting slave labor, busting unions and giving it all to the rich plus always trying to rob social security there are definitely differences
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Cosmetic differences, to be sure, but the result is clear; an enormous move to the right over the last half century, one the Democrats made a show of opposing but didn't really. The New Savior Biden, remember, was the guy who voted to exempt student debt from discharge in bankruptcy. Clinton's NAFTA. Etc. There are innumerable additional examples of Democrats behaving just like Republicans, often passing legislation Republicans wanted but couldn't pass themselves.

Stop falling for the Left vs Right charade. They're both bought and paid for by the elite donor class and have been proven not to represent the interests of 90% of the American people.

Those elite are the real enemy and they've spent our adult lifetimes winning the class war. That's why America's homeless population numbers in the millions while billionaires and megacorps routinely pay zero or even negative taxes.

'Democrat vs Republican' politics in America is as inane and vacuous as the old Spy vs Spy cartoons in Mad Magazine, and for the same reason; there is never any serious discussion of why things are as they are, only endless finger pointing. It's all a distraction from the real story.

Here's Rutger Bregman, a guy who will never be invited back to Davos, for the crime of telling the truth;
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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ttystikk said:
Cosmetic differences, to be sure, but the result is clear; an enormous move to the right over the last half century, one the Democrats made a show of opposing but didn't really. The New Savior Biden, remember, was the guy who voted to exempt student debt from discharge in bankruptcy. Clinton's NAFTA. Etc. There are innumerable additional examples of Democrats behaving just like Republicans, often passing legislation Republicans wanted but couldn't pass themselves.

Stop falling for the Left vs Right charade. They're both bought and paid for by the elite donor class and have been proven not to represent the interests of 90% of the American people.

Those elite are the real enemy and they've spent our adult lifetimes winning the class war. That's why America's homeless population numbers in the millions while billionaires and megacorps routinely pay zero or even negative taxes.

'Democrat vs Republican' politics in America is as inane and vacuous as the old Spy vs Spy cartoons in Mad Magazine, and for the same reason; there is never any serious discussion of why things are as they are, only endless finger pointing. It's all a distraction from the real story.

Here's Rutger Bregman, a guy who will never be invited back to Davos, for the crime of telling the truth;
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Actions show us more than the blabbering for sure. Good points in that video. NAFTA was signed by Bush right before he left office but it's true that some Democrats supported it,
 
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