infowarrior
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Anyone know much about this stuff?? Certain sources swear by this stuff. What's it like, anyone??
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stickyhits
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yes it works very good only used grow and bloom though
jamie cashmore
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If your using biobizz products, you've got to use the top max, without a stimulator you may as well drop to half the light!!! I start my girls on 2ml pl, slowly increase until week seven, assuming im flowering 8 weeks. I never give full strength of anything to my plants, i've found it's a fine line between pushing them to the limit and burning the shit out of them. Just bear in mind that top max, as well as all stimulators increase the rate of photosynthesis, practially doubling it. You may need to adjust your watering schedule accordingly.
vburton517
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I LOVE THE STUFF.......Its been great to use, and very easy I have the whole line, and haven't had 1 problem. I go w/the Bloom and Topp Max w/a dash of Superthrive, and I have had totally awesome results with top yeilds.For the first 4 weeks and then only water the last 3-4 weeks so they'll have a good taste and swell like crazy....
Just look at these 2 ladies in floweringand 1 that I pulled from outside cuz she got to big too quick.
I replaced her with 10 clones that will gladly do me justice for Fall...Attachments
Bigbud
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Im using it on my grow now including the soil / grow and bloom... I Think its great now i have sorted out a problem i was having with it
once I sort some cash out I will be getting the topmax as well but till then they are getting the grow/bloom supperthrive and I have almost finished a whole 360g jar of molasses and im only on about the 3rd week of flowering.!!
The only diss like for me was the price I had to pay for shipping, if i had a hydro shop near me this wouldnt be a problem, but for anyone in the uk I have found a place now where you can get as many bags as you want and only pay £10 for shipping so 50 notes will get you 200ltrs and shipping
^^ if anyone knows of a better price do let me know
once I sort some cash out I will be getting the topmax as well but till then they are getting the grow/bloom supperthrive and I have almost finished a whole 360g jar of molasses and im only on about the 3rd week of flowering.!!
The only diss like for me was the price I had to pay for shipping, if i had a hydro shop near me this wouldnt be a problem, but for anyone in the uk I have found a place now where you can get as many bags as you want and only pay £10 for shipping so 50 notes will get you 200ltrs and shipping
^^ if anyone knows of a better price do let me know
babygro
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Rubbish.
I've used Topmax in combination with Biobizz Grow and Bloom and I've grown with just Grow and Bloom and to be honest there was very little difference between them. This is pretty consistent with what others have experienced with Topmax, the jury is still out as to whether it has any positive influence at all. Topmax is similar to Grow in that it contains sugar beet extract and a fair amount of sugar.
I probably won't be bothering too much with Topmax in the future.
More rubbish.
Topmax does NOT increase the rate of photosynthesis, it's a bloom and flowering stimulator which is supposed to help put weight on the buds not a boost accelerator like BioHeaven.
Topmax works in a very similar way to the way Molasses works and it would be pointless in my opinion of using them both together. As molasses is significantly cheaper than Topmax, it proves a good alternative.
If you're happy with Topmax fine, I see very little benefit of using it because I see little difference when using it, but you shouldn't mislead people with wrong information.
babygro
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Don't waste your money on Topmax if you're using Molasses, they pretty much do the same thing.
Take it easy on the Superthrive btw, you should only be using it at repot time to ease stress at a ratio of 1 drop per gallon (4 L)
babygro
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You won't burn anything with Topmax, because it doesn't contain very high conentrations of nutrients. You can and will with Bloom and Grow though, so be careful with those.
Ideally you should be measuring the EC of your tapwater and adding nutrients so they don't push the EC over about 0.8-1.0 which is about the safe level to fertilise at.
want_my_ink
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I use this line of products myself. I noticed a difference in the first two weeks of use, in both rooms. I'm very pleased so far, and I like the fact that it is organic.
jamie cashmore
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to be fair mate, what i said about the light was half in jest, most people understood that. As for the rate of photosythesis......top max as well as other things, inceases the amount of sugar in the plant, similar to sweet leaf. The whole purpose of photosynthesis is to produce carbohydrate, a sugar. So if the plants sugar or carbohydrate level is increased, then photosynthesis must have either a, increased, b, been made more efficent or c, well i dont need a c, cause a and b were so good. point is, i use more water when using a stimulator, i was just passing this on.
babygro
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More rubbish. No it doesn't.
Plants cannot uptake sugars directly. Did you understand that? Shall I say it again for you? Plants cannot uptake sugars directly. Did you understand that this time?
Correct.
"Light equals energy to green plants. Special organs in each cell called chloroplasts gather the energy from visible light, mostly in the red and blue spectrums. Chlorophyll found in the chloroplasts uses the light to power chemical reactions. In a complex reaction the energy is used to cleave carbon dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O) molecules and recombine them to create sugar. (The formula is 6(H2O) 6(CO2) = C6H12O6 (sugar) 6O2 (oxygen)). Sugar is used as a food source by cells to fuel metabolism in addition to being used as a building block. The more light marijuana receives, the more energy it has to produce sugar and grow."
Unfortunately, you do need a c, because a and b are both wrong, because plants cannot uptake sugars directly, the only sugars they have are made via photosynthesis, not by uptake via the roots. The sugars are not in a chelated form for ready uptake by the plant.
It may well be increasing the rate of photosynthesis, but not for the reasons you give, as, I'll say it again, plants cannot uptake sugars directly, they're not in a chelated form.
It's the same problem as with Molasses, very few people actually understand what Molasses does for the plant. Most people think like you do, that it feeds on the sugars, it doesn't, the sugars are there to feed the micro organisms that live in the soil, it's these that improve plant nutrient uptake and in turn increased water consumption via photosynthesis, not the uptake of the sugars by the plant itself.
Think about this. If the plant could uptake sugars directly and receive it's sugar content like any other nutrient, why would it need to photosynthesise at all?
want_my_ink
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Thanks babygrow, very explained.
babygro
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Well I don't 'buy' this myself. As far as I'm concerned, Topmax does not increase the rate of photosynthesis. The rate of photosynthesis is governed by three things - light, water and co2.
It's my understanding that Topmax is a 'cation exchange' product. Cation exchange is essentially the science of nutrient retention and availability to the plant. What Topmax does therefore, is enable the plant to uptake more nutrients than it would do without its use and it's this that assists in the plants production of sugars, but not by affecting the rate of photosynthesis - that remains the same.
The bottom line therefore is that Topmax allows you to force feed the plant more nutrients in an attempt to produce bigger and fatter flowers.
This (in my opinion, and it is only my opinion) goes against the primary principles of organic growing and that is to allow the plant to grow naturally - taking whatever nutrients it needs at whatever time it needs them. Natural, organically grown weed, tastes and burns way better than any force fed hydro bud, which is the primary reason for growing organically in the first place.
Topmax therefore is Biobizz's organic answer to the plethora of bud booster products on the market - just because it masquerades under the label of 'organic' doesn't mean you have to be taken in by the deception.
Companies like Biobizz, Canna and Advanced Nutrients, who make products clearly aimed at the home growing market, want your money more than anything - this industry is huge and is very competitive, don't be taken in by their hype and 'promise' of bigger fatter flowers.
Advanced Nutrients Carboload is basically just Molasses but at about 20 times the price, Canna brought out Bioboost, so Biobizz brought out Bioheaven - Caveat Emptor mate.
beenthere donethat
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Topmaxx contains 30% humic acid...fwiw.
babygro
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And what does humic acid do if not increase plant nutrient availability and uptake?
edsthreads
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I'm glad you sorted that one out babygro I have just ordered some bio-bizz grow & bloom coz I wanted to do a 'organic' grow & I was fretting about if I had to order the this Topmax stuff... So, I can just use maple syrup or golden syrup as a 'alternative' to the Topmax? I have never used mollasses but will be giving it a go during grow#2
vburton517
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Go w/the TopMaxx, you won't be sorry, I have F A T, buds, no word of a lie, I'm averaging 3ozs per plant. I use the Bloom/topmax, and a splash of Superthrive and I have had tremendous results. If you only use it every other feeding during flowerinng, it'll go a long way, and the taste of your buds are amazing. Very tasty and you'll enjoy watching those buds fatten up around the 4th feeding. I only use it for the 1st 4 weeks and then straight water, U'll also want to try that only water for 4 weeks, u'll also notice the tremendous weight they put on just from the water weight. Try it. Here's the results of me using it, also that is one in my avatar. Crazy fat buds on my ladies....Always!
