Biobiz all mix - high ph tap water.

Bigby

Bigby

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Hey guys!

Been doing a lot of research into ph and soil growing. But still would like some opinions with regard to a specific issue. The tap water where I live is at least 8ph (I use liquid ph indicator which stops at 8, and it is clearly the colour representing 8ph). All my previous grows (in biobizz all mix) I have used ph down to lower my water to about 7, I then added my biobizz nutrients. Basically, each grow I have experienced minor issues; patches on leaves, some necrosis, and bud rot later in flowering. This grow I've got a bit of spare time so wanted to try and figure it all out, attempt to improve my knowledge and skills, so I can look after my girls better.

I began by looking in to ph and soil growing. I'm getting a lot of compelling evidence now from long term, well respected growers, who claim that you don't need to adjust ph when growing in quality soil, as the soil (well, things within it) buffers the ph, preventing problems. Now the thing is, all the people who make the claims that water does not have to be adjusted seem to be reporting a tap water ph of 7 as being high. Well my tap water is an entire gradient above that. Now I'm happy to respect the knowledge of those more experienced, but not adjusting such alkaline water runs counter to everything I have learned so far.

So; to all those who don't believe you need to adjust your ph when growing organically in soil - is 8ph too high to apply this logic?

and to all those who think you do need to lower the ph when growing organically in soil, why do you think this?



All and any thoughts on this welcomed.

Thanks.

:-)
 
bioWheel

bioWheel

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Yes - 8 is too high. But - if you're growing in a peat based medium then it could balance out. You'd have to check your run-off. In regards to lowering PH I'd recommend vinegar. I've used it and had success. I don't know how big your grow is but you could also just buy some distilled water from the supermarket and use that or even spring water.
 
Bigby

Bigby

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Thanks for the reply. The all mix "contains an effective blend of soil (20%), compost (35%), worm castings (10%) and Perlite (30%) as well as a special 'pre-mix' (5%) of biologically active organic ingredients that have been fermented for a month to create a potent mixture". I think you've got a good point with the vinegar, the ph down I have used so far is a chemical, and sort of ruins the whole organic part of the grow. Plus I've heard that ph down is likely to damage the soil, something I don't imagine vinegar will do as much.

I must admit, my thinking right now is that I will get myself an accurate ph meter before my next grow, I'll add my nutes to tap water I have left standing for 24 hours. Then use vinegar to lower it to 6.3 I might try one plant where I don't adjust the ph at all, just add the nutes. See how they get on.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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My very first grow was biobizz in soil with water of ph8.5. I used ph down and other than killing one plant due to using one of those shitty 2 prong ph meters, the rest of the plants did just great :)
 
wee_m

wee_m

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Bigby said:
Hey guys!

Been doing a lot of research into ph and soil growing. But still would like some opinions with regard to a specific issue. The tap water where I live is at least 8ph (I use liquid ph indicator which stops at 8, and it is clearly the colour representing 8ph). All my previous grows (in biobizz all mix) I have used ph down to lower my water to about 7, I then added my biobizz nutrients. Basically, each grow I have experienced minor issues; patches on leaves, some necrosis, and bud rot later in flowering. This grow I've got a bit of spare time so wanted to try and figure it all out, attempt to improve my knowledge and skills, so I can look after my girls better.

I began by looking in to ph and soil growing. I'm getting a lot of compelling evidence now from long term, well respected growers, who claim that you don't need to adjust ph when growing in quality soil, as the soil (well, things within it) buffers the ph, preventing problems. Now the thing is, all the people who make the claims that water does not have to be adjusted seem to be reporting a tap water ph of 7 as being high. Well my tap water is an entire gradient above that. Now I'm happy to respect the knowledge of those more experienced, but not adjusting such alkaline water runs counter to everything I have learned so far.

So; to all those who don't believe you need to adjust your ph when growing organically in soil - is 8ph too high to apply this logic?

and to all those who think you do need to lower the ph when growing organically in soil, why do you think this?



All and any thoughts on this welcomed.

Thanks.

:-)
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hi been growing with all mix for a yr before that i was PH,ing my feed ,spoke to a person from hydro shop ,no need to ph in all mix ,next grow never PH, best crop a got at that point now never ph at all all mix ph its self peace
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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You can ph every feed and water to 9.5 but that dosent mean you wont acidify your soil when you add too much....
 
wee_m

wee_m

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the guy is talkin growing organic its not organic if your adding ph chemicals your making a simple question into a debate bio all mix is super soil ,organic meaning no NEED for ph do some reading on super soil am not here to argue or say u are wrong. if you grow with bio all mix just feed untill time to flush with plain tap water ,peace
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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wee_m said:
the guy is talkin growing organic its not organic if your adding ph chemicals your making a simple question into a debate bio all mix is super soil ,organic meaning no NEED for ph do some reading on super soil am not here to argue or say u are wrong. if you grow with bio all mix just feed untill time to flush with plain tap water ,peace
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There is a Ph range that helps soil uptake nutrients more efficiently. You may be lucky with a better natural tap water Ph than OP but even with indoor organics it is recommended to Ph one's water if it is too high.
 
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KryptoBud

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wee_m said:
the guy is talkin growing organic its not organic if your adding ph chemicals your making a simple question into a debate bio all mix is super soil ,organic meaning no NEED for ph do some reading on super soil am not here to argue or say u are wrong. if you grow with bio all mix just feed untill time to flush with plain tap water ,peace
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Is flushing needed with all organic soil?
 
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KryptoBud

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Bigby said:
Hey guys!

Been doing a lot of research into ph and soil growing. But still would like some opinions with regard to a specific issue. The tap water where I live is at least 8ph (I use liquid ph indicator which stops at 8, and it is clearly the colour representing 8ph). All my previous grows (in biobizz all mix) I have used ph down to lower my water to about 7, I then added my biobizz nutrients. Basically, each grow I have experienced minor issues; patches on leaves, some necrosis, and bud rot later in flowering. This grow I've got a bit of spare time so wanted to try and figure it all out, attempt to improve my knowledge and skills, so I can look after my girls better.

I began by looking in to ph and soil growing. I'm getting a lot of compelling evidence now from long term, well respected growers, who claim that you don't need to adjust ph when growing in quality soil, as the soil (well, things within it) buffers the ph, preventing problems. Now the thing is, all the people who make the claims that water does not have to be adjusted seem to be reporting a tap water ph of 7 as being high. Well my tap water is an entire gradient above that. Now I'm happy to respect the knowledge of those more experienced, but not adjusting such alkaline water runs counter to everything I have learned so far.

So; to all those who don't believe you need to adjust your ph when growing organically in soil - is 8ph too high to apply this logic?

and to all those who think you do need to lower the ph when growing organically in soil, why do you think this?



All and any thoughts on this welcomed.

Thanks.

:-)
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IF you decide to PH your feed, do it after adding nutes not before. Most nutes are going to lower the PH of the water you're adding them to. Using the liquid PH tester is not accurate unless your nutrient solution is clear.
I've never used biobizz so I don't know if it's peat based or what the quality is like. Most decent soil will have lime in it to buffer the PH. When you water, it reacts with the lime releasing calcium that neutralizes acidity keeping the soil's PH where it belongs. This is also the reason checking "run off" PH is useless, the ph will be lower coming out than it was going in. I've always used tap water without issue, no need to let it sit out 24 hours. I drink it, my dogs drink it, my plants drink it too.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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KryptoBud said:
IF you decide to PH your feed, do it after adding nutes not before. Most nutes are going to lower the PH of the water you're adding them to. Using the liquid PH tester is not accurate unless your nutrient solution is clear.
I've never used biobizz so I don't know if it's peat based or what the quality is like. Most decent soil will have lime in it to buffer the PH. When you water, it reacts with the lime releasing calcium that neutralizes acidity keeping the soil's PH where it belongs. This is also the reason checking "run off" PH is useless, the ph will be lower coming out than it was going in. I've always used tap water without issue, no need to let it sit out 24 hours. I drink it, my dogs drink it, my plants drink it too.
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All soil organic. My grow and fishmix dont seem to change the ph much of the source water, i think it lowers it very slightly.
 
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KryptoBud

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Kingrow1 said:
All soil organic. My grow and fishmix dont seem to change the ph much of the source water, i think it lowers it very slightly.
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Some additives raise ph like pro tekt silica. I tried using alaska fish fertilizer because i could get it at wal-mart, but that shit stank indoors. I gave it to someone growing outdoors.
 
wee_m

wee_m

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Cyrus420 said:
There is a Ph range that helps soil uptake nutrients more efficiently. You may be lucky with a better natural tap water Ph than OP but even with indoor organics it is recommended to Ph one's water if it is too high.
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look it not luck, if you want to keep ph water go a head ,it will not be organic grow with ph ,try coco cor ,if u want to keep ph,in mine is indoor Organic grow with all mix peat in soil and other organic nutes are in the soil to blance the ph why defo no need for ph try few feeds with no ph cheek run off and bet it about 6,4,5 no difference if i have good natural water once feed added to water that will change indefinitely, you can keep ph ones water once you add feed it will change and of course u want to flush even organic grow as still got nues in it i Prefer to flush with plain water 2 week before harvest but some people dont this is the way i grow other are different
Kingrow1 said:
All soil organic. My grow and fishmix dont seem to change the ph much of the source water, i think it lowers it very slightly.
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light mix is not organic that needs ph if you grow useing light mix not got peat or bat shit and other natural nutrient for a full grow
,this is just my OP
 
wee_m

wee_m

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may not be a well knowing member but that dont mean my knowledge is off what i have typed is way i go and have no probs ,did have when 1st strarted cos ph ed with all mix as i have stated once stopped ph grows have been great my OP happy growing
 
wee_m

wee_m

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KryptoBud said:
IF you decide to PH your feed, do it after adding nutes not before. Most nutes are going to lower the PH of the water you're adding them to. Using the liquid PH tester is not accurate unless your nutrient solution is clear.
I've never used biobizz so I don't know if it's peat based or what the quality is like. Most decent soil will have lime in it to buffer the PH. When you water, it reacts with the lime releasing calcium that neutralizes acidity keeping the soil's PH where it belongs. This is also the reason checking "run off" PH is useless, the ph will be lower coming out than it was going in. I've always used tap water without issue, no need to let it sit out 24 hours. I drink it, my dogs drink it, my plants drink it too.
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bio all mix has peat bat shit and other organic mix ph in run off is waste of time ? correct asnot need in ALL MIX NO PH AT ALL
 
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KryptoBud

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wee_m said:
may not be a well knowing member but that dont mean my knowledge is off what i have typed is way i go and have no probs ,did have when 1st strarted cos ph ed with all mix as i have stated once stopped ph grows have been great my OP happy growing
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This is on your profile correct?
hi people just done my first grow using blue for veg and 300 watt far red for flower ,also can...
hi people just done my first grow using blue for veg and 300 watt far red for flower ,also can someone tell me can i germ in bio all mix.



From noob to ed rosenthal in 6 months. How many grows have you been able to fit in since feb. to gain all this knowledge?
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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wee_m said:
look it not luck, if you want to keep ph water go a head ,it will not be organic grow with ph ,try coco cor ,if u want to keep ph,in mine is indoor Organic grow with all mix peat in soil and other organic nutes are in the soil to blance the ph why defo no need for ph try few feeds with no ph cheek run off and bet it about 6,4,5 no difference if i have good natural water once feed added to water that will change indefinitely, you can keep ph ones water once you add feed it will change and of course u want to flush even organic grow as still got nues in it i Prefer to flush with plain water 2 week before harvest but some people dont this is the way i grow other are different

light mix is not organic that needs ph if you grow useing light mix not got peat or bat shit and other natural nutrient for a full grow
,this is just my OP
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Alrighty then, you do realize that just because you don't need to Ph your water doesn't mean other people don't...like I said your water source is probably well within the acceptable range I would know mine is too. I'm growing in organic soil and apart from a little Sweet Raw I add to my water I don't Ph my tap water either. Others though like OP stated can have super high tap Ph like 9 and that will cause issues for your plant if your soil doesn't have buffers in it like peat or lime.

And how would it not been an organic grow? Are you some kind of purist where if one salt based additive is used then the term organic is just thrown out the window? If you think about it everything we use for our plants are derived from an "organic" resource. When the plant eats worm casting or slurps up concentrated nitrogen it doesn't discriminate between the two it just sees food.

Also flushing is a myth (https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/) and if you need to check soil Ph you need a soil Ph meter run-off Ph doesn't tell you anything. Seriously read the WHOLE post I just linked and you'll see what I am talking about with the flushing. All you're doing is depriving your plant of nutrients at a critical point in it's life and harming your finished product. Nutrients aren't stored in the buds they are stored in the roots, etc, etc you'll see it.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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wee_m said:
may not be a well knowing member but that dont mean my knowledge is off what i have typed is way i go and have no probs ,did have when 1st strarted cos ph ed with all mix as i have stated once stopped ph grows have been great my OP happy growing
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Id be interested in you coming back with some info on biobizz soils after a few more grows, possibly ill be getting some of their soil in a week or so. Im not sure if you can germinate in allmix, every instinct tells me its a little hot in nutrients, lightmix does seem to fair much better but think that after a week or two is a little on the week side.

I agree with the others to an extent but i like how you come in with a more rounded opinion than most noobs on their first posts.

I think the fine grade of lime in most soils can deal with your average tap water quite quickly, try pouring vinegar on your soil and see if you can hear any fizzing, similar principles.

Fyi Scotland sucked in European football this year Wales much better ;-)
 
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