Bite marks and half eaten leaves

shiranamazon

New Member
Hello guys, first time grower here :)

I have 2 automated feminized northern light and 3 feminized aurora indica, all 4 weeks old from germination.
All planted in 0.5 liter pots and then moved to 13 liter, grown outdoors.
There are plenty of insects and average temp. is around 28-30 Celsius for most of the day.
I water them from a local spring, 1 liter each 3 times a week (watching the ground if its dry or not when i press against it).
Last week I noticed bite marks on one leaf in one plant. I sprayed neem guard on all of the plants and their surroundings. Sprayed again a week later.
Seems it didn't help and the bite marks showed on 4/5 plants on 1-2 leaves in each plant.

Any idea what causes it? What else should I do?
Whats to do with the beaten leaves, cut them off?
And can you see signs of gender is the pics?














Thanks a lot !
 

mudhead31

Active Member
Not sure may be slugs???I'm not sure if neem prevents them but it was my most common culprit when I was outdoor growing.I lost more to slugs than animals and rippers>>>LOL<<< are you growing near ferns?
 

shiranamazon

New Member
No grasshoppers in my area.
There are "fern" like vegetation around.. haven't seen any slugs but there are some in my general area though I would think I'd see slug trail around the rocks, plants and pots.
Any more ideas? what actions should I take?
 

mudhead31

Active Member
If it is slugs I used to just put a good dusting of lime powder on the surface of the soil they crawl through it and just die and the lime is good for the soil on top of keeping slugs away also you can just leave a couple of beer cans around with a little beer in them that gets slugs but it also gets mice.
 

shiranamazon

New Member
I've decided to spray it with something specifically against caterpillars and varies flies. I'm placing sticky traps around the plants and maybe I'll catch the bad boys by tomorrow so I can identify the pest.
I've actually constructed mosquito nets to place around the pots but I think it will take 25-40% of the direct sunlight and its a shame to waste in vegetation stage. Maybe for flowering?
 

mudhead31

Active Member
LMAO...get those little bastards!!! On a serious note good luck with whatever they are and if you get them post a pic LOL.
 

ButchyBoy

Well-Known Member
Looks like slugs to me also.. Clear the ground around your girls of anything that will keep the ground moist. Crush egg shells and spread them on the soil in your pot. The sharp egg shells will cut the slugs since they are soft bodied and they wont crawl over them. You can also try placing a few semi large rocks near the pots for the slugs to hide under then check daily and remove them. The following plants are avoided by slugs for various reasons and can be planted around them to help keep them away ; roses, cacti and succulents, herbs, and dusty miller.

Good Luck!! :peace:
 

shiranamazon

New Member
Has anyone really tried the egg shell thing? I find it hard to believe its actually working. Seems like a cannabis myth to me :-)
In 24 hours I'll have the traps and the 'thing' on it. I highly doubt that whatever it is will manage to get around the sticky pages.. and if it does - it earned its meal.
Weird thing is that none of the vegetation around that plants looks eaten. We got some cannabis thirsty slugs.
 

ButchyBoy

Well-Known Member
Anything sharp will stop them from crawling.... Egg shells are a natural way that won't harm anything other than the slugs. I save my egg shells for my out door garden and it does work!!!

Another option is Diatomaceous earth...
 

shiranamazon

New Member
Anything sharp will stop them from crawling.... Egg shells are a natural way that won't harm anything other than the slugs. I save my egg shells for my out door garden and it does work!!!

Another option is Diatomaceous earth...
I'll fix myself some scrambled eggs tomorrow morning. Won't hurt to recycle the shells :-)
Thank you
 

dannyboy602

Well-Known Member
I don't think that little leaf could support the weight of a slug. Unless it was a little one but you can always tell if it was slugs by the slime they leave behind. My guess is it's a caterpillar of some kind, a larvae form of something. Really you should spray the plants and use a product that has Eith of the insect ides listed below...I got this off the net. It's pretty helpful


Bacillus Thuringiensis
Bacillus thuringiensis is a spore-forming bacteria that naturally exists in the environment. It must be consumed by caterpillars for it to be effective -- upon ingestion, B. thuringiensis releases an endotoxin that creates pores in the insect gut, causing the insect to poison itself over the course of a few days. It is important to match the subspecies of B. thuringiensis to the pest in question; caterpillars respond variably to subspecies kustaki and aizawai. B. thuringiensis requires frequent reapplication because it breaks down readily when exposed to sunlight. The risk to waterways, beneficial insects and honeybees is low when using B. thuringiensis. The acute risk to humans and mammals is very low.
Spinosad
Spinosad is composed of spinosyns A and D, byproducts of the aerobic fermentation of the filamentous soil bacteria Saccharopolysora spinosa. It controls caterpillars primarily through ingestion but can also be effective when in direct contact with caterpillars. Spinosad causes the nervous system of insects to continuously activate, exhausting them within two two days. Spinosad comes in both organically acceptable and nonorganically acceptable formulations, so check product labels carefully before purchasing. Caterpillars may develop a resistance to spinosad; it is best used in rotation with other organically acceptable insecticides. Waterways are at low risk of contamination from spinosad, but it creates a low to medium risk for beneficial insects and a medium risk for honeybees. The acute risk to mammals is low.

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Neem Oil
Neem oil is derived from the seeds of Azadiracta indica, the neem tree. This southern Asian native has long been believed to hold pesticidal and medicinal properties, but it wasn't until 1959 that Western civilization took notice. Neem contains up to 70 chemical compounds, but azadirachtin is considered the active ingredient in most formulations. This chemical acts as an insect growth regulator and discourages feeding and egg-laying by a variety of insects. Neem oil is more persistent than other biological insecticides; but it is slower acting, controlling insects by preventing the molting of young larvae and discouraging older generations from laying eggs on treated plants. There is no known risk to waterways from neem oil, only a low risk to beneficial insects but a moderate risk to honeybees. The acute risk to mammals is very low.
Pyrethrins
Pyrethrins are derived from the powdered flowers of Chrysanthemum cinerariaefolium, C. coccineum and C. marshalli, southwest Asian natives. It is a fast-acting compound that causes continual stimulus of the nervous system in treated insects until they die from exhaustion. Take caution when purchasing pyrethrin insecticides; many are mixed with synergistic materials that are not allowed in organic growing systems. Pyrethrin must be reapplied frequently when pests are present, because it breaks down quickly. Waterways are at high risk from pyrethrin runoff, and both beneficial insects and honeybees are at a medium risk from this chemical. The acute risk to mammals is low.
 

shiranamazon

New Member
Thanks danny,
To be honest I don't know if the neem oil helped or not. I don't think there is change in the leaf for better or worst since the seconds spraying of neem oil. Maybe that did the trick.. though it does seem more like a Caterpillar than a Scale insect.
 

FLkeys1

Well-Known Member
It looks like caterpillars to me. If you don't see any bugs on the plants during the day check in the evening, they may be coming out at night to feed..
 

dannyboy602

Well-Known Member
i also forgot to mention...don't prune away the damaged leaves...they still photosynthesize and have value to the plant.
 

BioColonel08

New Member
You make a small fire out of twigs and lightly sprinkle some ash on them. That worked for me.

I usually do this during flowering. But if you do just a light sprinkle that seemed to work for me. Any thoughts?
 

shiranamazon

New Member
UPDATE:

Pictures of the beasts caught with my 5 traps.
Conclusions : No slimy devils here.. All flies, Beatles and a grasshopper. I'm not sure what the flies and beatles eat but the grasshopper definitely goes for leaves.
What measures should I take?







 
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