BlackRoses' Dairy Farm Blue Cheese and Milky Way scrog

Bummer on the hermie, bro really sorry to hear about it, there are so many great genetics out there that I have never considered making fem seeds with them.

Someguy15, backcrossing is done with cannabis and other plants all the time. The idea is to make the genetics from seeds more homogeneous, focusing of course on the desired genes. It isn't like making babies with your cousins. In fact the most reliable seeds come from breeders that backcross/inbreed the fuck out of their strain, after making the gene selections from multiple rounds.

Yea, I spent the last 10 minutes closed inside that room..
To see if I can detect any source of stress..
I have found that there's light leaking about 2.5meters up at the edge of the milar for like 3 inches and it's reflection of reflections of reflections soo it's like barely noticeable, so I doubt this plant was hermied by any sort of light induced stress..
It's just a bad seed..
I have asked a really good grower on youtube who has almost daily educational videos (not the big mouth guys..) and he said it looks like a hermie, but some strains have different traits.. so he also suggested me giving it 24-48hours.. cause it still can't polinate at this point.
Only been 15 days today.
So I'm hoping the stems I marked down will have some pistils popping out today and I'll be relieved.. but I'm pretty sure that's just a fantasy, So I'm prepared to cut it out.

Hi Blackroses, just had a squint through your journal. Seems like you have put a lot of work in which I am sure will give you some awesome results....perhaps you could just pluck the nanners from the plant, I have done this before and come through ok. I doubt it would be from stress if it is a feminised seed it is more likely just to have a bit of willie in it, lol. Like the guy on youtube said, it isn't going to polinate until the flower sack opens up, you will get a little white flower, nice but dangerous!! At that point you are getting a lot of seeds cause as soon as you touch it you will see the puff of pollem (doesn't matter if you got no fans on at the time either, that sticky white love piss gets everywhere.)

Me I would pluck it and monitor, (I hate throwing plants away) or perhaps stick it in a small area on it own, or buy a large clear tote box, fix some ventilation going into it, and then sit that in the grow room (quite extreme but safe)

Peace out, DST

p.s Ik gebruik ook de zelf'd vliegen vanger, lol!!!

DST said:

Hi Blackroses, just had a squint through your journal. Seems like you have put a lot of work in which I am sure will give you some awesome results....perhaps you could just pluck the nanners from the plant, I have done this before and come through ok. I doubt it would be from stress if it is a feminised seed it is more likely just to have a bit of willie in it, lol. Like the guy on youtube said, it isn't going to polinate until the flower sack opens up, you will get a little white flower, nice but dangerous!! At that point you are getting a lot of seeds cause as soon as you touch it you will see the puff of pollem (doesn't matter if you got no fans on at the time either, that sticky white love piss gets everywhere.)

Me I would pluck it and monitor, (I hate throwing plants away) or perhaps stick it in a small area on it own, or buy a large clear tote box, fix some ventilation going into it, and then sit that in the grow room (quite extreme but safe)

Peace out, DST

p.s Ik gebruik ook de zelf'd vliegen vanger, lol!!!

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Oh wat mooi, een andere Nederlander Blokker he..
I agree, I'm just going to see what happens tonight at 8pm when the lights turn on.. if it's grown, I'll just remove it and well better luck next time..
I have clones now, so next grow should be hermie free..

Ik wens dit ik sommige Nederlandse cannabis bezoeken en kon proberen

I agree with DST, I hate to toss out a plant early. That said, if something a female is showing some male flowers this early it is going to be a lot of work on everyday to pluck out the sacks.

Since I use for cannabis for pain relief for I require very potent flowers. For me the hermie just didn't cut it, even though it looked great, and seemed to have good trichrome production. The terpene/CBD etc seemed to be really lacking so the complexity of the high. It might work for others, but as a personal rule of mine, i'd rather cut my loses and add some more plants. If more plants aren't available then I guess I'd just keep hermie.

Either way I support your call and wish you the best of luck. Positive vibes for you friend.

I like your grow sorry to hear about the hermie. quick question your ph do you always keep it low? is it what your nutes recommend? I always ph to 6.5-6.8 but i use ff trio but i have been having ph issues(ph gets low)...anythoughts?

Guys.. 3 of the 5 Blue Cheese females have these "nanners" now.. I'm blown away now..
I have no idea if those are now hermies cause the new one has more and some have pistils in them..

The Milky Way's on the Left and 2 of the other Blue Cheese are doing fine..

Can the red light of an extension cause hermie?
I wish I could email Barney's and just ask them if that's a normal trait on the BC's..
Otherwise this would be devastating.. cause I have no idea what could have caused it.. if 1 was a bad seed.. 3 is a major issue in my room.

Gotta go out now, but tonight I'll post pics.

yea that red light could do it for sure alot of ppl have that problem in there grows 1 little LED can fuck you hard. If thats not it, It could be the breeders fault for not taking the time to fully test the genetics, not to bash the breeder or anything but I know I wouldnt hand out seeds if there were the slightest tendency to turn herm. I dont think stress would nail 3 out of 5 plants unless its bad and there is a decent amout of light hitting them after lights out, but then agian those may be the three in direct line of the light

theres also a difference in intersex plants and hermi's..look up some pictures to see what you have I'm not 100% but I think intersex plants can only be caused by genetics you said you had pistils in the "nanners" that sounds like intersex to me..

Klo$etBreeder said:

yea that red light could do it for sure alot of ppl have that problem in there grows 1 little LED can fuck you hard. If thats not it, It could be the breeders fault for not taking the time to fully test the genetics, not to bash the breeder or anything but I know I wouldnt hand out seeds if there were the slightest tendency to turn herm. I dont think stress would nail 3 out of 5 plants unless its bad and there is a decent amout of light hitting them after lights out, but then agian those may be the three in direct line of the light

theres also a difference in intersex plants and hermi's..look up some pictures to see what you have I'm not 100% but I think intersex plants can only be caused by genetics you said you had pistils in the "nanners" that sounds like intersex to me..

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I refuse to believe an extension cord red light could hermie my plants..
And why not the others?
Just google: "Barneys Blue Cheese hermie"
You'll come across a thousand threads..

I'm never ever ever ever in my life again buying Barneys seeds again.
I wish I had done some research before buying these..

I read on other forums people getting 5 outta 10 hermies from these Barneys Blue Cheese..
And most of these were posted in the last 6 months..
So the 2010 batch is probably complete junk, and will probably all hermie sooner or later..
I'm almost depressed right now..
So much fucking work in the garbage.

To be honest guys, Id like to delete this fucking whole journal and youtube and everything..
Will sleep it over though..

After asking some other Dutch growers for advice on this topic, I received a very pleasing reply.

For those who can read dutch:

Met een pincet verwijderen als het 1 tot 10 ballen zijn in de oksels,als er dan binnen anderhalve week geen nieuwe ontstaan komt het wel goed,wel goed in de gaten houden.

Komen er meer ballen dan plant verwijderen,ook als er bananen in de toppen zelf komen is het verloren zaak,maar mannelijke voorbloei(ballen) zie ik vaker bij sommige female zaden,het is altijd de eerste weken bloei,en na verwijderen zie je alleen nog vrouwelijke kenmerken en komt het goed.

Gevaarlijker zijn bananen bv rond de zesde week bloei, deze kunnen je hele oogst verneuken.

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What he's saying is, that this sometimes occurs in some feminized seeds in the first weeks of flowering..
But all I need to do is remove the balls if there are less then 10 on each node, with a tweezer and if they don't return within 1.5 weeks then the female traits should still be present and they should be fine.
But if those banana shaped pollen sacs should appear in the 6th week, then I'm fucked..


So what I'm going to do is to re-arrange the whole setup and place my 3 Blue Cheese right infront of me so after I remove all those balls tonight I can have a direct view on them and see if any should re-appear suddenly..
Then it'll still hurt and I'll still have to throw them away.. but I won't give them up without a fight.

You are on the right track mate. I agree with your route.

Fucking blows donkey dick to end up with hermies.

Shame Dude, Real Shame..
I'll hook ya up with Cuttings from mine if you want.. Nothing but good genetics here

bender420 said:

You are on the right track mate. I agree with your route.

Fucking blows donkey dick to end up with hermies.

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lol indeed man, I hope this works..

XxNinjaxX said:

Shame Dude, Real Shame..
I'll hook ya up with Cuttings from mine if you want.. Nothing but good genetics here

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lol I wish Ninja.. I really wish I could get a cutting from you
BUT!.. tonight you're going to see what good genetics really are..

I must say.. When I went to buy my seeds the guy at the seed shop did give me a slight warn..
I was looking at Barneys Blue Cheese and Sweet Tooth..
The guy said.. wouldn't you rather have 2 different seed companies? I was like hmm not really I like Barney's.. and he said "well they're not my favorite".. I said who is? he pointed to Kiwi and said those are the finest genetics you'll find.
And well Tonight you'll see what he meant..
I mean for day 15 on those Milky Way, yesterday they looked really really fucking good..
Stems full of pistils popping out everywhere.. Gloriously..

Kiwi all the way!

BlackRoses said:

lol I wish Ninja.. I really wish I could get a cutting from you
BUT!.. tonight you're going to see what good genetics really are..

I must say.. When I went to buy my seeds the guy at the seed shop did give me a slight warn..
I was looking at Barneys Blue Cheese and Sweet Tooth..
The guy said.. wouldn't you rather have 2 different seed companies? I was like hmm not really I like Barney's.. and he said "well they're not my favorite".. I said who is? he pointed to Kiwi and said those are the finest genetics you'll find.
And well Tonight you'll see what he meant..
I mean for day 15 on those Milky Way, yesterday they looked really really fucking good..
Stems full of pistils popping out everywhere.. Gloriously..

Kiwi all the way!

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Sounds Good, but lets see them

Dutchmaster makes a product called 'reverse' that it suppose to stop the hermie traits, u could use that with the plucking if you are going to try to save them?

Oh noes black, I just had to chopp down my Skunk #1 in my flower tent hermied on me at like day 23 of the flower cycle. It was a clone tho and because oh how packed my tent is now, with my visibility issues at tiimes. I just straight up dumped him. Sigh... best of luck on your Blue Cheese, hope those dutch growers are correct.

Barney's Farm.. a true waste of money.. lol
I did some CSI stuff tonight.. using my trichome microscope I dissected one of the balls and it definitely has pollen inside.. So 4 outta 5 people
Almost perfect score for Barneys..

Funny enough the one I cloned and liked the most is the only one left standing..
Now I could blame myself for having done something stupid I don't even remember, but at this point the clue's and signs are clear..
I can't expect great plants from a terrible seed company.. and looking through all those journals online I started a lifelong boycott on Barney's farm seeds..
I won't buy their weed at the coffeeshops and I won't buy their seeds anymore.. I won't vote for them at the Cannabis cup, and I'll smoke their weed and call it junk!

Too many growers are blaming themselves on forums about their hemied Blue Cheese/ LSD/ Red Dragon, you name it I saw a journal about a hermied barney's seed today..
Oh well.. life goes on

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Oh YaK haha, I'm friends with him on here he stopped in my first grow. Didn't know he had used this on the blue cheese nice find.

Someguy15 said:

Oh YaK haha, I'm friends with him on here he stopped in my first grow. Didn't know he had used this on the blue cheese nice find.

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I think I'm gonna make a new journal..