Blair and Bush created ISIL

Was invading Iraq worth the consequenses?

  • Yes, it helped to bring Democracy to the ME and was worth it (Syria anyone?)

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • No, it was a huge fuck up caused by Boo Boo, that so far has heled to destoy the world.

    Votes: 5 83.3%
  • Total voters
    6
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althor

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Jimdamick said:
Personally, I had no problem with Hussain if he wanted to kill his people over there, or Iranians (who were we supporting then?). that's his deal. not mine. Stay the fuck out of all that shit, because all it has caused has been more people burning American flags, and thinking Putin is a God. Another good job by the idiot fucking Republicans, who today, again, are leading the charge to put "boots on the ground" in Syria. (good question)
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It is amazing how misguided you are. Bias is not a good thing.
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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althor said:
Exact definition! Jeez.... Warmonger.
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A warmonger huh?

Yea, I love a good war that actually frees people, but not based on lies, like the Republicans happen to use a fucking lot. Like Grenada, Nicaragua, Lebanon , Iraq, the expansion of the war in Viet Nam, Korea) and the list goes fucking on.
 
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althor

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Jimdamick said:
You want to make this a personal thing, instead of a dialogue? Keep it the fuck up.
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Here are the Democratic Senators who voted YEA on October 2002.

Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea

Misguided and bias. Truth is somewhere in the middle like most things. OUR GOVERNMENT, the D/R thing is just a big fucking illusion to keep the masses divided.
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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althor said:
Here are the Democratic Senators who voted YEA on October 2002.

Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea

Misguided and bias. Truth is somewhere in the middle like most things. OUR GOVERNMENT, the D/R thing is just a big fucking illusion to keep the masses divided.
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Based on Cheney and Bush bullshit, try again,
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Dems had the same access to the same info.

So what you are saying is dems are bunch of dumbasses too stupid to make decisions on their own? That's harsh man. I wouldn't even go that far.
 
bravedave

bravedave

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Jimdamick said:
You really mean that because democratic (lol) Iraq DEMANDED THE US LEAVE, AND WAS AGREED UPON ON BY BUSH, NOT OBAMA, that it is not Bush's fault that Iraq turned into a pile of shit Try again.
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Not true. Obama HAD the ability to extend the agreement. He chose not to. Anyone who tells you different is a liar. Anyone who believes that is an ignorant fool. Obama used the document as an excuse to meet a campaign promise. So he chose to save face instead of winning the peace. He is a fucking disaster.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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That timeline by Bush was idiotic. The fact Obama followed it made no sense.

If we are truly in a war, it's not timed like a football game, you don't get to pick the date it ends.

If we weren't at war and knew we were leaving, why 18 months? Why not today?
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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ginwilly said:
Dems had the same access to the same info.

So what you are saying is dems are bunch of dumbasses too stupid to make decisions on their own? That's harsh man. I wouldn't even go that far.
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No, what I am trying to say is the Iraq invasion was based on lies, and the stupid fucks that were Democrats, who should have known better ,because ALL the information that was provided by a lying bunch of fucking Republican sacks of shit, and they should have known better to believe that any plan concocted by the White House at that time was worse than useless, but hand picked lies.
That is my point, that not only the Democrats were deceived, but the PM of our greatest ally was deceived by Bush and Israel who verified the facts that were used were accurate (Laugh my Ass of at that one). That's all I am saying, that ISIL was formed by the actions of the US, who Blare himself admitted. Do you, or Althor get it, yet?
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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This topic is turning out to be fun. All the excuses by the Republicans on this site are coming out, and you know what? They are too late, because it simply is another example of a long list of bullshit to cover the GOP's asses. Sorry, but it ain't going to fly, because the WORLD knows it to be garbage, so keep on spitting into the wind. Nice
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Jimdamick said:
That's all I am saying, that ISIL was formed by the actions of the US, who Blare himself admitted. Do you, or Althor get it, yet?
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That part I agree with. The rest of your noise is just you trying to pin it all on one party instead of one institution. Blind partisan hackery is probably not our best strategy.
 
bravedave

bravedave

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Jimdamick said:
No, what I am trying to say is the Iraq invasion was based on lies, and the stupid fucks that were Democrats, who should have known better ,because ALL the information that was provided by a lying bunch of fucking Republican sacks of shit, and they should have known better to believe that any plan concocted by the White House at that time was worse than useless, but hand picked lies.
That is my point, that not only the Democrats were deceived, but the PM of our greatest ally was deceived by Bush and Israel who verified the facts that were used were accurate (Laugh my Ass of at that one). That's all I am saying, that ISIL was formed by the actions of the US, who Blare himself admitted. Do you, or Althor get it, yet?
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So we are just suppose to believe you and not bipartisan commissions that found NO LIES. Sorry, you don't get to invent your own history.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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bravedave said:
So we are just suppose to believe you and not bipartisan commissions that found NO LIES. Sorry, you don't get to invent your own history.
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Just because the committee didn't crucify anyone doesn't absolve guilt of ethical misconduct. See Clinton destroying public evidence, Wall Street and Iran-Contra as proof these people protect their own.
 
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althor

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Jimdamick said:
Based on Cheney and Bush bullshit, try again,
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Cheney and Bush bullshit was based on Clinton's admin bullshit that gave them information. See how this keeps going around and around? It was a joint action of both parties comprising the entire U.S.A. government. Trying to blame one party in the government is ridiculous. It was both parties and independants, the lies were lies spread by those on both sides of the government. At the same time, I honestly don't believe they thought they were lies. All evidence (including Iraq kicking out the inspectors) pointed towards Saddam continuing WMD programs. Even Saddam hinted that he had them, of course he was crazy as hell, but there it is.

Why did Obama attack Libya? They didnt even have rumored WMD
 
bravedave

bravedave

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ginwilly said:
Just because the committee didn't crucify anyone doesn't absolve guilt of ethical misconduct. See Clinton destroying public evidence, Wall Street and Iran-Contra as proof these people protect their own.
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Of course unless they had a mouse in every room...
The BI- PARTISAN committee though had access to all the facts and, funny, there was no stalling on document handovers unlike the current. I guess I will go with their conclusions over some internet fool spewing info sourced from his ass.
 
pnwmystery

pnwmystery

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bravedave said:
The invasion of Iraq is part of the historical path by which ISIL came about. That said, Obama's decision to leave Iraq obviously was the main catalyst in ISIL's creation. Obama responding to them like they WERE just a JV team caused them to flourish and caused Obama to lose the peace. If we still had relevant forces in Iraq, Syria's issue would be quite different also. Maybe even to the point of Obama not looking like/becoming a complete idiot.

Bottom line(s), ISIL did not exist in 2008. I realize it is difficult for lefttists to get out of the "blame Bush" habit, but ISIL is all about Obama's incompetence in world affairs and as a leader.
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How much do you want to bet that ISIL did not exist in 2008?
 
bravedave

bravedave

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pnwmystery said:
How much do you want to bet that ISIL did not exist in 2008?
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Sorry, of course, they held meetings in the basement of a mosque in Takrit. Took turns bringing refreshments. So let me rephrase...
Obama's decision to leave Iraq obviously was the main catalyst of ISIL's empowerment.

Same level of U.S. troops there as when Obama pulled them out and ISIL does not slaughter thousands of Iraqis and probably continues to be a non-factor.
 
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