Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow

Jerry Garcia · Nov 3, 2009

theloadeddragon said:
pot size does not necessarily determine plant size...... had 4' bushy plants in 1 gal pots

Right. I tend to think that because a large pot can support a larger root system that it is somehow better...I don't actually know if this is true, but it seems logical enough.

BTW, I just did a cubic inches to gallons conversion and found that my 7x7x9 pots are 1.91 gallons and my 5x5x6 pots are .65 gallons. I've been wondering about that for a while now...

theloadeddragon · Nov 3, 2009

my five gallon pots only really hold 3.7

its just marketing

if the plant continues to get everything it needs, and the roots system stays HEALTHY, it is not necessary to have a larger pot, but you want a root system large enough to consistently sustain as well as provide additional energy for new growth

, I have noticed that pot size kinda goes with AGE.... lol...... once they get older (know what I mean?) they want to spread out a bit..... the root systems are designed to thrive on whatever they can and gro as much as possible...... however, overdeveloped root systems can draw a little back and take up more than any extra it would necessarily supply if the plant size is too small in ratio to root mass

hemphopper · Nov 3, 2009

Thanks Jerry,

I wasn't kidding about "inspiration"! You are doin a lota things right and I really want to get the perpetual thing going. You seem to have the space thing down, I read what you wrote about the Blue Cheese sensitivity to nutes. I'd have to agree. Veg was great - lush green. But once mine went into flower and I started feeding according to the FF program, I saw a lot of leaves getting crisp and dropping. Fortunately I still got a lot of good smoke - over 1 month of cure and it smokes really well with a good body and very little harshness that I think is diminishing as it cures. At first - just dry, not cured - the high seemed to be in the front of your head - not unpleasent but noticeable. As it's cured, it's now more of a whole body thing with great time distortion ( 20 mph on the highway seems like 60 mph - except to the cars behind me, LOL

mared juwan · Nov 4, 2009

Jerry, bomb ass harvest there dude. Looks like that PPP pheno is purple after all. You know my feelings on pot size. I've tried everything from 3 gallons to 1/2 gallons in flower, growing 3-4+ foot tall plants the whole time, and the only difference was how often I had to water. Personally I like 1 gallon for both veg and flower. I guess I just like not having to transplant. I suppose if you were gonna try keep a mother plant alive for a couple years then a bigger pot would be needed. But anyways congrats on the harvest man, looks dank.

Jerry Garcia · Nov 4, 2009

theloadeddragon said:
my five gallon pots only really hold 3.7

its just marketing

if the plant continues to get everything it needs, and the roots system stays HEALTHY, it is not necessary to have a larger pot, but you want a root system large enough to consistently sustain as well as provide additional energy for new growth , I have noticed that pot size kinda goes with AGE.... lol...... once they get older (know what I mean?) they want to spread out a bit..... the root systems are designed to thrive on whatever they can and gro as much as possible...... however, overdeveloped root systems can draw a little back and take up more than any extra it would necessarily supply if the plant size is too small in ratio to root mass

I never really thought of overdeveloping root systems...

hemphopper said:
Thanks Jerry,

I wasn't kidding about "inspiration"! You are doin a lota things right and I really want to get the perpetual thing going. You seem to have the space thing down, I read what you wrote about the Blue Cheese sensitivity to nutes. I'd have to agree. Veg was great - lush green. But once mine went into flower and I started feeding according to the FF program, I saw a lot of leaves getting crisp and dropping. Fortunately I still got a lot of good smoke - over 1 month of cure and it smokes really well with a good body and very little harshness that I think is diminishing as it cures. At first - just dry, not cured - the high seemed to be in the front of your head - not unpleasent but noticeable. As it's cured, it's now more of a whole body thing with great time distortion ( 20 mph on the highway seems like 60 mph - except to the cars behind me, LOL

No problem Hemp, I'm still learning how to do all this too so I always try to be as helpful and articulate as possible.

Nice report about the Blue Cheese. I've been sparking up a bowl of some popcorn buds here and there and found the taste to be fantastic, but a little harsh as it's been curing for all of 4 days or something. Mine is way more of a head high at the moment, possibly due to my harvesting before too many trichs went amber. We'll see how your two month cure compares to my one month cure in another month!

mared juwan said:
Jerry, bomb ass harvest there dude. Looks like that PPP pheno is purple after all. You know my feelings on pot size. I've tried everything from 3 gallons to 1/2 gallons in flower, growing 3-4+ foot tall plants the whole time, and the only difference was how often I had to water. Personally I like 1 gallon for both veg and flower. I guess I just like not having to transplant. I suppose if you were gonna try keep a mother plant alive for a couple years then a bigger pot would be needed. But anyways congrats on the harvest man, looks dank.

Thanks mared. Your pot advice (haha, pun intended!) is always good to note. The only reason I transplant at all is my lack of adequate space. I can't fit 3 square white pots on my veg shelf, but I can get 8 smaller black ones. It's all about making the most out of what you've got, I guess.

Jerry Garcia · Nov 5, 2009

These are a few days late, but better late than never. I'm really to my wits end with this plant. The buds are starting to fatten up and the trichs have been visible for a while, but she takes up too much damn space.

The buds are getting so heavy that I had to duct tape the main cola to the wall so it would stay close enough to the light.

I really think the final product will be very nice, but I let the thing get too out of hand and before I knew it I was stuck with this monster. Going be a huge yield, I'd just really like to get it out and move the smaller plants into flower now and lower the light.

mared juwan · Nov 5, 2009

Yea she's a bit gangly but if you have her duct taped all the way against the wall it's probably efficient enough use of the space. How much longer you reckon she's got?

Jerry Garcia · Nov 5, 2009

I think it's about 9.5 weeks so far, so another few weeks...prob 3-4.

Duct taping to the wall really did open it up more...should be fine with everyone in there together.

hemphopper · Nov 5, 2009

Wow, she's a gangly one but she's packin' some heat!! As Little Richard said, "Long Tall Sally She's built for speed she got everything that Uncle John Needs!"

Thanks for all the good information and sharing!

theloadeddragon · Nov 5, 2009

I would have given up on her 4 + weeks ago.... just stuck her outside

Jerry Garcia · Nov 5, 2009

If only I lived in your neck of the woods TLD I would have planted the other 3 seeds outdoors with her from the get go...if only...

theloadeddragon · Nov 7, 2009

yeah... its just a great outdoor strain thats all.... I have seen people train it indoors, and the quality lack for it, and seen people just let her go outside, and she does fantastic

..... got interested in really learning about the strain...... and damn, when that shit is grown around the equator....... whew, FIRE

Jerry Garcia · Nov 10, 2009

Hey guys, I've been out of town for the last few days so I haven't had a chance to update.

I've been trying to deal with this shitty bag of Ocean Forest I picked up a couple days ago...I just started a thread about it...

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/269345-bad-batch-ocean-forest.html

Something is seriously wrong with the soil I just picked up. It's not at all like the previous 3 batches of Ocean Forest I've used and I'm pretty pissed off about it. Read the above thread for details...

naorb · Nov 10, 2009

hey jerry sorry i havent posted in a while.
thanks for putting up those thai pics man rlly appreciate it. looks like those things are fat!

i want to ask your opinion on the PPP
i want to try Nirvanas PPP one day and even tho urs is from g13 labs im still wondering it looks great 4 u.

mared juwan · Nov 11, 2009

I saw another member talking about this very issue the other day. A guy named Mr Therapy Man had a thread about using FFOF for years and all of a sudden it's torching his clones. They must have made some hot batches recently. Try some promix bro, you won't regret it.

theloadeddragon · Nov 11, 2009

Bio Bizz All Mix...... I add to it.... but it is Wonderful!!!

Jerry Garcia · Nov 11, 2009

So I took the rest of my ocean forest back today. Rather than taking another bag of the same pallet, I got a bag of biobizz light mix. All it has is peat moss, sphagnum peat and perlite. I've got some worm castings and guano I'll probably mix in to spice it up a bit, but it looks like good stuff.

I was going to get some happy frog but they didn't have it in soil form...only in soil conditioner...wtf?

I really liked the Ocean Forest but we'll see how this biobizz works out.

theloadeddragon · Nov 11, 2009

I would only do earth worm castings right in the beginning, and then stay semi consistent with Bat Guano, Sea weed kelps, molasses, FF big bloom, and cal/mag depending on whether or not you use tap water, and if you do how you treat it, and what its quality really is

Jerry Garcia · Nov 11, 2009

theloadeddragon said:
I would only do earth worm castings right in the beginning, and then stay semi consistent with Bat Guano, Sea weed kelps, molasses, FF big bloom, and cal/mag depending on whether or not you use tap water, and if you do how you treat it, and what its quality really is

I filter my tap water with a brita faucet filter. It sits in jugs for a couple weeks. I already use everything you mention above except seaweed/kelp. I might try to incorporate some alfalfa tea into the mix if I ever get around to it.

I'm gonna start slow though and just get a feel for the soil before I go crazy souping it up.

Jerry Garcia · Nov 13, 2009

So I finally gave in and chopped the TSS. It had become just more of a burden on my operation than anything else just because of her sheer size. I actually knocked a branch off a couple weeks ago by accident...I smoked some of the bud the other day and it was surprisingly good. Considering I never really flushed it OR cured it, I was happy about with the joint I rolled :eyesmoke:

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While trimming the plant yesterday I noticed it was VERY resiny. I smoked 3 bowls of scissor hash on top of some PPP and was feeling great! Even though the plant still had a couple weeks left, I think I made the right decision space-wise. The biggest problem I was having with the Thai was I had to keep the HPS pretty high over the canopy because it was so damn tall. Now with this beast out of the picture I can lower the light and get some fat new buds!

Here's a shot of them drying nice and slow in my box. The temp stays around 63 and the humidity stays around 60. Those damn damp rid things don't do squat, but they make me feel a little better about the situation. And 60 isn't really too high...but it's close...

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