hyroot
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my a51 penetrates almost 5 feet. So 20 inches is pittiful in comparison.
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hyroot
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the lowest few feet shaded by leaves and higher bud sites. Apparently you have never grown before. Lollipopping is term originated from sea of green grows. Leaving only the top buds... Like an actual lollipop.
PetFlora
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The problem is you have ZERO experience with BML Spydr, yet continue to make outlandish derogatory assumptions that you think are facts
PetFlora
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You, and neither of your 2 friends (Spaz & Hyroot) have personal experience with this light, so why are you here?
hyroot
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you keep contradicting yourself.
Red1966
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Yet you are forced to cut off all but the top 2/3rds. So you must have 15 foot tall plants?
Red1966
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I can see many 12-15 ft outdoor "trees" on Youtube with no trimming at the bottom at all, with donkey dick buds on the lower branches. You seem to have given up on your claims of "lifetime" warranties?
spazatak
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Because you are recommending people buy a light that you have little experience with, have lied about its effects and admitted that they arent efficient
do you really expect people to accept your biased sales pitch without question....?
hyroot
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are you really that dense ? My light is almost 2 feet away plus 3 feet of bud sites ie 5 feet.
hyroot
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wow. Given up on claims. Do you know what life time limited warranty means? bumper to bumper means full coverage. Have you ever bought car insurance before? A51 covers full coverage for 2 years. Then 50% of cost for repairs and upgrades $250 for life. Apache has full coverage for 3 years and 50% cost for life. That's what lifetime limited warranty is.
After 2 years we will still offer replacement or upgrade parts), but there is a fee for parts, it will be sold at wholesale pricing, which will be roughly $250 for the entire lamp upgrade, and shipping will be cheap because no heat sink or case needs to be shipped. That $250 is subject to change in the event that we ever use more expensive LEDs than the original, though that price will not increase much at all, if at all.
^^^ that was on the site far before the RW's were released
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Red1966
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That was on the site today. Nowhere does it say "lifetime". It says "2 years". After that, you BUY the parts and install them yourself. The repairs you have to do yourself, even under warranty. Two year warranty for something that's supposed to last 50,000 hrs.
Red1966
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This is the warranty they publish:
Warranty Info
2013 Area 51 LED SGS-160 +
2014 Area 51 LED RW-75 +
2014 Area 51 LED RW-150 +
2014 Area 51 LED XSG-190
model warranty coverage:
Bumper to Bumper warranty:
We will replace any part that fails due to manufacturing defects during the first 24 months, free of charge and we'll pay shipping.
In the event that the light needs to be sent to us for repair (highly unlikely, the lights are designed to be easily fixed and future upgraded by the customer), the customer pays shipping to us (they will be fixed in the USA), and we'll pay return shipping.
After 2 years we will still offer replacement or upgrade parts), but there is a fee for parts, it will be sold at wholesale pricing, which will be roughly $250 for the entire lamp upgrade, and shipping will be cheap because no heat sink or case needs to be shipped. That $250 is subject to change in the event that we ever use more expensive LEDs than the original, though that price will not increase much at all, if at all.
And on their warranty page they tell you exactly what they will honor.
Any warranty where you BUY the parts and do the labor yourself, is very limited indeed. As in non-existent. I'll honor their warranty for them on those terms.
Warranty Info
2013 Area 51 LED SGS-160 +
2014 Area 51 LED RW-75 +
2014 Area 51 LED RW-150 +
2014 Area 51 LED XSG-190
model warranty coverage:
Bumper to Bumper warranty:
We will replace any part that fails due to manufacturing defects during the first 24 months, free of charge and we'll pay shipping.
In the event that the light needs to be sent to us for repair (highly unlikely, the lights are designed to be easily fixed and future upgraded by the customer), the customer pays shipping to us (they will be fixed in the USA), and we'll pay return shipping.
After 2 years we will still offer replacement or upgrade parts), but there is a fee for parts, it will be sold at wholesale pricing, which will be roughly $250 for the entire lamp upgrade, and shipping will be cheap because no heat sink or case needs to be shipped. That $250 is subject to change in the event that we ever use more expensive LEDs than the original, though that price will not increase much at all, if at all.
And on their warranty page they tell you exactly what they will honor.
Any warranty where you BUY the parts and do the labor yourself, is very limited indeed. As in non-existent. I'll honor their warranty for them on those terms.
someoneinteresting
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I dont know why so many peope are misdirecting this conversations to the warranties of the A51s or Apaches.
Let's take a look at BML's warranty: From the website:
Subject to the exclusions set forth below, Build My LED, LLC. (“Build My LED”) warrants its indoor light emitting diode (LED) luminaires, including the LED arrays and the LED drivers and integral control devices (“LED Luminaire(s)”) to be free from defect in material and workmanship (the “LED Warranty”) for a period of three (3) years from the date of shipment from Build My LED’s facilities. The LED arrays in the LED Luminaire(s) will be considered defective in material or workmanship only if a total of 15% or more of the individual light emitting diodes in the LED Luminaire(s) fail to illuminate.
So Thier warranty is 3 years but considering they consider a failure to mean MINIMUM 15% failure for the LEDs. So take that how you will. While most decent companies will recocnise an emitter faillure to be a waranty issue, it would seem BML requires a certain amount of emitters to fail before they will consider it a proble.....hmmmmm
Let's take a look at BML's warranty: From the website:
Subject to the exclusions set forth below, Build My LED, LLC. (“Build My LED”) warrants its indoor light emitting diode (LED) luminaires, including the LED arrays and the LED drivers and integral control devices (“LED Luminaire(s)”) to be free from defect in material and workmanship (the “LED Warranty”) for a period of three (3) years from the date of shipment from Build My LED’s facilities. The LED arrays in the LED Luminaire(s) will be considered defective in material or workmanship only if a total of 15% or more of the individual light emitting diodes in the LED Luminaire(s) fail to illuminate.
So Thier warranty is 3 years but considering they consider a failure to mean MINIMUM 15% failure for the LEDs. So take that how you will. While most decent companies will recocnise an emitter faillure to be a waranty issue, it would seem BML requires a certain amount of emitters to fail before they will consider it a proble.....hmmmmm
UncleBuck
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this should be taken as a compliment.^^^
Red1966
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Yeah, that concerned me, too.
cityworker415
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I think that's why I have so much good luck throwing in the California light works last 3 weeks they seem to be very heavy in the red regardless of the full spectrum or bloom booster. Plants like equator I'll sativas won't even take off under the bloom booster but something like a squat bubba kush what you like a rocket if you veg to under a 200 watt solar flare bloom booster. That's why I like you guys well most of you guys and gals
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