Bodhi seedlings throwing male flowers in early veg ?!

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lastmob

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Hi and thank you for spending some time to try and help out a random stranger on the internet.


I am in the beginning of a new grow and started about 70 seeds of multiple strains about 5 weeks ago. It is my first time growing regular seeds and sexing plants.


10 out of my 12 Bodhi Super silver hashplant are showing what I understand to be pronounced male flowers / pollen sacks. I have read that plants can show some pre-flowers in veg but I did not think going full male so early was possible. The other 2 don't seem to do it yet (1 of them can be seen in 1 of the pics).


None of the other strains have that. The plants are relatively healthy and have not experienced any major stress. They are on 19/5 and its nearly impossible for them to have had a problem with the light cycle. The only possible stressor I can think of is temps being high in the beginning but it has not been much over 85-86F most of the time and RH has been 70-85% to try and match that.



They were started in cheap coco (a mistake, I believe) and lost a few of other strains to damping off. There is no salt buildup and pH is more or less where it should be.



I started quarantining 5 of the 10 plants with the attention to cull them but then I realized 5 more are doing the same. Is it possible they have hermied but can be reversed? What am I to make of this?


Thanks again
 

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PappyVanWinkle

PappyVanWinkle

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Definitely showing male plants here. Do you have the lights on an automatic timer? Those males look like they have been flowering for a few weeks. Only thing I can think of is that you indeed have a problem with your lights or light timer. I just don't think you would have that many hermis at one time.
 
Kalebaiden

Kalebaiden

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I have never in my life seen an auto male but I believe with the information provided, that is exactly what you have.

I hope everything else turns out well but I might suggest that instead of quarantining the males, immediately destroy them.

I wouldn't ever want that genetic material near any other plant, ever.
 
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lastmob

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Thanks for the answers. It is virtually impossible that it's a timer issue, I have gone to check at different times at day and everything has been normal. Guess it's weird genetics.
 
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lastmob

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By the way, do you think that grow conditions/stress can determine the sex of a plant?

Also, are there other factors that can trigger bloom besides light cycle?
 
YardG

YardG

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This doesn't seem like a lack of stability issue to me. Lack of stability in my mind mainly means a tendency toward hermaphrodites, or could mean widely varying phenotypes, and has nothing to do with whether males show early or late? Also, it sounds like OP popped 6 packs of various seeds, only one of which was the SSHP. You would need to pop more seeds of one strain to make any kind of determination about the overall stability of a line, or whether a line is particularly prone to producing more male plants than female. A lot more.

I realize people looking to make seeds favor later flowering males, but TBH I'm not entirely sure why beyond the obvious (female plants aren't far enough along when the early males start flowering). If you're growing to produce sinsemilla, not seeds, wouldn't early flowering males be a positive trait, not a negative one? I know when I'm growing for flower I want to remove the males as soon as possible, in part to avoid pollination, but mostly just to avoid wasting time, space, and resources nurturing a plant I'm going to toss when it reveals itself to be male.

Plenty of debate on whether environment affects plant sex (note, later hermaphroditic expression does not change the sex of the plant). Knowledgeable people seem convinced it does not. I could speculate, but I don't count myself among the knowledgeable set on such topics.
 
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lastmob

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Plants were under a CMH but at around week 4 had to take it out for maintainance and didn't have any other to use but the shitty blurple.

Seeds came in original packaging so I doubt they weren't legit.

I got to reading and many people believe that week 3 or 4 of veg are crucial to determining sex. The high temps and light change might have played a role.

The only silver lining is I will have to get more seeds it seems. :)
 
NukaKola

NukaKola

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If you reach out you might be able to get some sort of compensation. I’ve personally never been that unlucky but I’ve seen plenty of people compensated in some way for bad germ rates & higher then usual number of males.
 
Psyphish

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YardG said:
This doesn't seem like a lack of stability issue to me. Lack of stability in my mind mainly means a tendency toward hermaphrodites, or could mean widely varying phenotypes, and has nothing to do with whether males show early or late? Also, it sounds like OP popped 6 packs of various seeds, only one of which was the SSHP. You would need to pop more seeds of one strain to make any kind of determination about the overall stability of a line, or whether a line is particularly prone to producing more male plants than female. A lot more.

I realize people looking to make seeds favor later flowering males, but TBH I'm not entirely sure why beyond the obvious (female plants aren't far enough along when the early males start flowering). If you're growing to produce sinsemilla, not seeds, wouldn't early flowering males be a positive trait, not a negative one? I know when I'm growing for flower I want to remove the males as soon as possible, in part to avoid pollination, but mostly just to avoid wasting time, space, and resources nurturing a plant I'm going to toss when it reveals itself to be male.

Plenty of debate on whether environment affects plant sex (note, later hermaphroditic expression does not change the sex of the plant). Knowledgeable people seem convinced it does not. I could speculate, but I don't count myself among the knowledgeable set on such topics.
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I've never had a plant start flowering until I've flipped the lights, if it's full of balls at 19/5 or 18/6 I'd call that unstable and maybe even autoflowering. Pre-flowers aren't supposed to be that prominent. What I'm curious is if OP's plants would keep going forward in the flowering process or if the balls would indeed stay the same. If they start dropping pollen then they would be autoflowering plants and that wouldn't make sense since there isn't any ruderalis in the genetics.
 
YardG

YardG

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Ah, I get it now. Hmm, true, preflowers maybe, full on flowers... not so much.

Now I'm curious which vendor OP picked them up from. If this was a common occurrence with SSHP you'd think it'd come up in the Bodhi thread from time to time.
 
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lastmob

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Like I said, the package was the original breeder's one and seemed untempered; also, none of the other 30-40 reg seeds next to them did this.

Anyway, I have already moved on. In a few weeks I will be able to see the male:female ratio of the others and maybe make further conclusions.

Off topic question since I have started this thread already: would you guys say that feminized seeds bring less vigor/stability/quality or that characteristics degrade faster with time? I am looking for the best plants for long-term mothers.
 
LeftOurEyes

LeftOurEyes

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When I had this problem with one strain it was because my ph was off. I always check ph but my meter drifted and I hadn't calibrated it in a little while, so now I make sure to calibrate it often. The problem didn't affect any other strains though.
 
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