Bonsai Mums from Feminized Seeds

JSB99

JSB99

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I've been researching "mothers from feminized seeds", and have gotten many mixed answers. There wasn't much info at all on "bonsai mothers from feminized seeds".

I've got feminized seeds from reputable breeders, but some are saying that there's more of a chance of hermies with femed seeds. Apparently that's especially true if the plants are stressed. Growing bonsai mums requires some stress, but I'm wondering if its enough to turn a plant.

Anyone have any experience with this?
 
PhenoMenal

PhenoMenal

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AFAIK there is no scientific evidence for feminised seeds resulting in more hermaphrodites, and hundreds of thousands of growers around the globe have been growing with feminised seeds for well over a decade. Feminised seeds are more popular than regular seeds even with their higher price, and they wouldn't be around all these years later if they were fundamentally flawed.

When feminised seeds first emerged on the scene all those years ago it seems there was at least some level of HOSTILITY from some breeders, many who had no experience with creating feminised seeds but were simply against this "artificial insemination" route, and that seems to be the main root cause of the "feminised seeds = hermaphrodites" myth/theory, and why it still continues to this day, even though nobody makes posts about how many hermies they got from feminised seed any more than they do about regular seed.

What we probably can say is that the vast majority of people growing with feminised seeds never encounter hermaphrodites at a level any higher than they encounter hermaphrodites from regular seed. Indeed, the only hermaphrodites i've ever encountered where from regular seeds, I've never encountered one from feminised seeds.

Of course that doesnt suggest regular seeds are more prone either, it just means some strains have monoecious and/or polyecious genetics (many HEMP strains do), and hermaphrodites are inevitable in those strains, regardless of whether feminised or regular. Blueberry is just one well known example of a strain which can produce hermaphrodites, and this is acknowledged at Dutch Passion's website.

You also mentioned stress, but again there's no scientific indication that plants from feminised seeds are more susceptible to stress than plants from regular seeds.

Feminised strains however DO naturally create some genetic issues that've been discussed in other threads - this is a non-issue if all you want to do is grow and smoke a female (which is why feminised seeds have proven so successful), but if you're BREEDING you should always work with regular/non-feminised if possible.
 
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JSB99

JSB99

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PhenoMenal said:
AFAIK there is no scientific evidence for feminised seeds resulting in more hermaphrodites, and hundreds of thousands of growers around the globe have been growing with feminised seeds for well over a decade. Feminised seeds are more popular than regular seeds even with their higher price, and they wouldn't be around all these years later if they were fundamentally flawed.

When feminised seeds first emerged on the scene all those years ago it seems there was at least some level of HOSTILITY from some breeders, many who had no experience with creating feminised seeds but were simply against this "artificial insemination" route, and that seems to be the main root cause of the "feminised seeds = hermaphrodites" myth/theory, and why it still continues to this day, even though nobody makes posts about how many hermies they got from feminised seed any more than they do about regular seed.

What we probably can say is that the vast majority of people growing with feminised seeds never encounter hermaphrodites at a level any higher than they encounter hermaphrodites from regular seed. Indeed, the only hermaphrodites i've ever encountered where from regular seeds, I've never encountered one from feminised seeds.

Of course that doesnt suggest regular seeds are more prone either, it just means some strains have monoecious and/or polyecious genetics (many HEMP strains do), and hermaphrodites are inevitable in those strains, regardless of whether feminised or regular. Blueberry is just one well known example of a strain which can produce hermaphrodites, and this is acknowledged at Dutch Passion's website.

You also mentioned stress, but again there's no scientific indication that plants from feminised seeds are more susceptible to stress than plants from regular seeds.

Feminised strains however DO naturally create some genetic issues that've been discussed in other threads - this is a non-issue if all you want to do is grow and smoke a female (which is why feminised seeds have proven so successful), but if you're BREEDING you should always work with regular/non-feminised if possible.
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Thanks, Man, that's some great info! Makes me feel much more confident in what I'm trying to accomplish! After pointing many things out, it does make sense that growers have been cloning femed plants for a long time without issues. I would imagine if this was an actual issue, it would be very well documented, and supported, by a vast number of people over the past decade.
 
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EverythingsHazy

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A "feminized seed" is just a fancy term for female plant created using female pollen. A plant grown from the seed will be no different than a plant grown from a female regular seed.

Chemically induced "feminized seed" is not a seed that is treated with a chemical and turned into a female. It is a normal female seed, created by a female mother plant that was sprayed with something that caused it to produce pollen sacs. The resulting pollen only had X, instead of the usual mix of X and Y chromosomes in a normal male plant's pollen, because a female plant (XX) only has x chromosomes to use in it's pollen. When paired with the female's egg cell (which also contains an X chromosome automatically), you get a bach of female seeds (XX).A lot of the chemicals used are either natural plant hormones or metals (colloidal silver). Females from "feminized seed" are indistinguishable from females in a regular batch.

Don't use plants that turned "hermie" because they will produce seeds with the same tendency to produce anthers/pollen sacs (it's believed to usually be a stress tolerance issue).
 
Detroitseeds

Detroitseeds

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So if someone used collidial silver on one feminised plant, she creates pollen sacks reproduces with herself those seeds are feminized and may as well be a clone of the mom as they will be genetically identical?
 
Hippie hipper

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Detroitseeds said:
So if someone used collidial silver on one feminised plant, she creates pollen sacks reproduces with herself those seeds are feminized and may as well be a clone of the mom as they will be genetically identical?
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Jimmy the vest uk said:
I wanna know the truth about this too
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I believe this is how you make fem seeds. Colidal silver on a female plant. If your asking specifically colidal silver on a fem plant...id assume the answer would still be the same. She is indeed just a female right?
 
Detroitseeds

Detroitseeds

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Jimmy the vest uk said:
What about the genetic replica bit?
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I am thinking there could be mutations, or recessive genetics that could be expressed through seeds that wouldnt be from clones. Imo, genetics are never black and white. (Seen plenty of nice people with monsters for children.) Nobody seems to be able to say yes, they would be identical 100 percent, so I am going to try it and give feedback, I am guessing 99 percent identical as long as colloidal silver is applied correctly, (doesnt stress plant too much)

Quick questions for someone with successful experience... Does colloidal silver make an entire plant useless if you spray only one branch? Can you wrap that branch in a grocery bag or something to contain the pollen and keep/use the other buds?
 
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Jimmy the vest uk

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Detroitseeds said:
I am thinking there could be mutations, or recessive genetics that could be expressed through seeds that wouldnt be from clones. Imo, genetics are never black and white. (Seen plenty of nice people with monsters for children.) Nobody seems to be able to say yes, they would be identical 100 percent, so I am going to try it and give feedback, I am guessing 99 percent identical as long as colloidal silver is applied correctly, (doesnt stress plant too much)

Quick questions for someone with successful experience... Does colloidal silver make an entire plant useless if you spray only one branch? Can you wrap that branch in a grocery bag or something to contain the pollen and keep/use the other buds?
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How about if a plant sprouts some nanners and pollinates itself?
 
Detroitseeds

Detroitseeds

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Thank You.
Jimmy the vest uk said:
How about if a plant sprouts some nanners and pollinates itself?
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That's what we are getting at. The answer is that seeds from that plant could express recessive traits that it was carrying but not expressing.. But probably still unlikely... probably depends on stableness of the plant to begin with.
 
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