Boveda?

PioneerValleyOG

PioneerValleyOG

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Well, since I started this thread I'm glad it garnered this much interest.
My use of both Boveda and Boost has been and is largely for longer term storage. 5 gal buckets I'll throw a couple in. Sometimes a Boost on top and Boveda on bottomish or however.
Most people I know dont have bulk cannabis issues. The ones that do use the packets because they work. So you lose a little smell; but dank stays dank. I did start using smaller ones in my quart jars I keep on the shelf for personal and friends. But mostly I do butter these days to save these old lungs, <you'll be there one day> and it's so versatile.
1 tsp butter mixed with raspberry jam on toast is sooooo friggin delicious :hump:
Anywayz. Trim duty I'm buried in. Does ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE :confused:
Collect those swollen little pods on the branch / stem and smoke em? I'm just collecting them in a jar and rubbing my finger hash into same jar. This process and product needs a name.
I'll call it Spash. Small pod and hash. Unfortunately I cannot smoke yet, as it immediately distracts from my responsibilities.
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PioneerValleyOG

PioneerValleyOG

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Lots if scientific observations, theories, and claims seem to throw lots of confusion in the mix.
So I'll just talk from about 5 years of experiences .
Yes, Boveda, Boost and Integra all use the same simple salt formula; therefore they all act pretty much the same.
The results are, yes, you're definitely going to lose some smell.
So what? The strength is still there even after long term storage.
Washing your buds in H2O2, same thing. You'll lose some smell. Again so what.
We use these tools and techniques to our advantage because they serve a purpose we desire. Whether washing bugs and gunk off our harvest, or storing bulk for extended periods, there is an alteration from historic processes of simple- dry- cure or hang in attic.
We've come a long way baby. Supercropping, a process one would gaze pop-eyed at as branches snapped and popped.
Cultivation has become an evolutionary and revolutionary process with so many different paradigms.
Bottom line, I figure it's like Alanis Morrisette used to twang. "If it Makes You Happy, it cant be that baaaaaddddddd"
So I keep my eyes and ears open, open minded and learning, trust but verify, and never, EVER, put all your flipping eggs in one basket.
:peace:
 
lusidghost

lusidghost

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ComputerSaysNo said:
To the people here who think it's possible that the Bovedas "lock up terpenes":

How is that supposed to happen? I mean, what would happen chemically?

An "odor" is an air-borne molecule, it has left the flower, if the humidity pack "locks it up" it's no difference to the flower.

The humidity pack does not "suck terpenes out of the flower". That's a ridiculous notion.

The packs are made of two parts, one that absorbs excess moisture, and another that evaporates water to increase humidity. The part that absorbs moisture is not going to pull anything out of the flower or the trichomes.

The only reason why humidity packs would alter flavour in any way is because the relative humidity they create would have some effect (I don't know if that's the case).
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I totally agree with this. If you think it’s stealing terps, it’s actually preventing the buds from off gassing, which is the point of curing the weed.
 
lusidghost

lusidghost

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OneMoreRip said:
I’ve lost weed for years in zip lock bags and still good, not sure why you’d want to pay to mess your buds up with these things. Storing weed for a century maybe
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Because it doesn't mess your weed up, it makes moisture level perfect. I don't really store anything longer than half of a year tops, but it smokes and tastes wonderful the entire time.
 
OneMoreRip

OneMoreRip

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lusidghost said:
Because it doesn't mess your weed up, it makes moisture level perfect. I don't really store anything longer than half of a year tops, but it smokes and tastes wonderful the entire time.
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I can’t agree that it doesn’t have non desirable effects on buds and I have weed in a jar same as I put it in over a year ago, to lazy to even to even find the screw part of lid for it, to screw the lid down. If cured well and in closed jar should be good several years without chemical bag
 
lusidghost

lusidghost

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OneMoreRip said:
I can’t agree that it doesn’t have non desirable effects on buds and I have weed in a jar same as I put it in over a year ago, to lazy to even to even find the screw part of lid for it, to screw the lid down. If cured well and in closed jar should be good several years without chemical bag
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Your buds are going to dry, your terps are going to evaporate and your THC is going to start oxidant. Everything is porous. I learned that from ex-officer Barry Cooper.

You are a "chemical bag."
 
ComputerSaysNo

ComputerSaysNo

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OneMoreRip said:
If cured well and in closed jar should be good several years without chemical bag
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1. It's not a "chemical bag". It's a moisturizer.
2. Everything in the flower will break down over time. You can slow that down by deep freezing, but even then a few years will be stretching it. You store it in a jar at room temp for that long, it might still be potent but it will be a fraction of what it was originally.
 
ComputerSaysNo

ComputerSaysNo

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About the shelf life of cannabis, I've found this short article: https://www.marijuanaventure.com/cannabis-shelf-life/

They estimate a half life for the THCa of around 8-9 years. That's definitely longer than I expected.

They say nothing about terpenes or other cannabinoids.

They also recognized a strong decrease in contaminants (a good thing). Their experiment was done in dry conditions. They mention that even moderate amounts of moisture bring the risk of mold build-up.

That sounds like storing bone-dry buds makes more sense than having them moistened, at least over longer periods.

I would still like to know if curing at, say, 62% is better than curing at low moisture conditions or if it does not make a difference.
 
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ComfortCreator

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ComputerSaysNo said:
About the shelf life of cannabis, I've found this short article: https://www.marijuanaventure.com/cannabis-shelf-life/

They estimate a half life for the THCa of around 8-9 years. That's definitely longer than I expected.

They say nothing about terpenes or other cannabinoids.

They also recognized a strong decrease in contaminants (a good thing). Their experiment was done in dry conditions. They mention that even moderate amounts of moisture bring the risk of mold build-up.

That sounds like storing bone-dry buds makes more sense than having them moistened, at least over longer periods.

I would still like to know if curing at, say, 62% is better than curing at low moisture conditions or if it does not make a difference.
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The standard used to be that it loses about 10% of potency every year or so. That is properly stored.

I believe 62% is ideal for that 6-9 month window mentioned above, where it is consumed within the season.

If you plan to store it much longer, years, then ideally you would lower the humidity a bit more and seal it with a gas or in a semi vacuum. Of course few do that part but some commercial places do it.

My experience having smoked 2-5 year old bud is even when well stored it's not like when it's in the fresh window. But if paranoia is a problem older bud really would be ideal because a lot of the head effects get mellower over time.
 
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ComfortCreator

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ComputerSaysNo said:
That would be suitable for me, then.
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I am being 100% serious. I am lucky I am like a dude on the front line ready to go to battle with any strain any time lol! But most people I know are the opposite.

When it gets "old", in my mind at about a year, it begins to slowly degrade into a much more mellow effect. The THC breaks down a bit (I still believe the 10% or so per year, in good conditions). And the specific effect of the strain is reduced i.e. Thai bud that blows your mind will mellow to a calmer THC type buzz but mellower than concentrate or the like.

You may find a bargain if you have multiple sources (or grow your own). People always want to move older bud. If you werent 5000 miles away (roughly, I know you to be in "Europe") I would give it to you free. I am going to convert it to concentrate at this point.

I've been at this (bud!) For a LONG time, and can say from all my interactions and experiences that:

Cannabis can and will enhance or intensify WHATEVER underlying emotions you have going on. If you are highly stressed to the point of freaking out, bud can make it worse. If you are worried or scared, it can make it worse.

But if you are happy, calm, or in at least a decent place in life it will help. And it can help alleviate MILD stress and issues, and certainly helps with headaches and appetite for those who need it.

It is that simple -- Cannabis intensifies whatever emotions you already have. They maybe hidden even to you, at which point it may bubble up and surprise you (how some people have bad or stressful cannabis experiences).

When stressed if cannabis messes with you give it a rest until you feel calmer. This is of course written as a general comment CSN, not directed at you specifically.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Dry, Jar, Smoke. Terpenes degrade over time whether you use humidity packs or not. I'll never understand why people want to let their weed get old before they smoke it. If it's dried properly it's ready to smoke when it's fresh. Burping jars for weeks doesn't make it any better.
 
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