Breed FEMINIZED SEEDS in ur back-yard...no bull!!!

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ryancook98

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When I was a closet toker and wannabe grower I bought a book by Mel Franks.
In this book I ead something I thought was amazing (and still think so) so amazing that I want to share it with you all.

Okay heres wl need:1. heard of a hermaphrodite? well if you have been growing long you know that a hermi' is a plant with both sex organs.2. Even worse, the MALE plant.

It would be easier on u if these two plants were in buckets for moving to secluded (plant free area) areas.
1.You wil need to clip all of the male organs off of the Hermi'
2.You need to put the male close enough to the hermi' that they touch.
3.Keep going back to ur Hermi' to clip away the male organs anytime they reappear.
4.Shake the male on the hermi' female flowers ounce daily 'till you see seed swollen flowers.
5.Harvest ur seeds created by ur breeding of the Hermi' (male organ free Hermi') with the pure male.
6.Plant your seeds and watch ur girls show their sex!!!!

Remember, under curtain curcamstances the plants will turn into morphi's if they are stressed enough i.e rootbound or sudden weather changes.

Hope this helps!!!!
 
nepali grizzly

nepali grizzly

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from my understanding this is wrong. your supposed to use the stress induced hermi pollen on a female. not male on hermi. have you tried this method with success?
 
Carl Spackler

Carl Spackler

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nepali grizzly said:
from my understanding this is wrong. your supposed to use the stress induced hermi pollen on a female. not male on hermi. have you tried this method with success?
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This is spot on. I had read this years ago as well in another grow book. As best as I remember this method will result in a large % if Hermies. Not the method that I would recommend if you are trying for "feminized" seeds.
 
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reeferMaster

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sounds preety dumb!!! if the plants hermaphiditeing you wouldnt want 2 seed it. hermie is a trait and by crossing it with another pure male would give the plant more of the male chariteristics, i would guess that it could be good in some cases. now come 2 think about it ive used a hermie male and seeded a plant that was hermaphaditeing,and the3 plant im growing looks fine with no herimie showing, most % of heries are stress induced. the way 2 make a real hermie or good pure plant is you have 2 tweek the budded plants with what ever kind of stress u can give it off and on . point is here u are trying 2 find the plant that is most vulnerable 2 stress, mildew,herming,arouma and flavor. u have 2 find the plant that wont hermie no matter what kind of conditions its put threw and that thier mate is a pure female, good for reveg and cloneing or seeded, once u have the pure fem you can then use some of the hermie pollen from the other plants that will not be being used. that way no males even nessecery un less you are trying 2 hybrid, i would consider crossing the same kind of plants or ones that are strain related. you can then move all the other plants or what ever and kut try 2 cut off all the sacks off n save the rest of the bud!!!!! hope this helps, good luck
 
nepali grizzly

nepali grizzly

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seriously, you don't want any male genes. you posted this thread and its bad out of date info. if anyones considering making femmed seeds look up the colloidal silver method. having a male pollinate a herm will result in 1/2 male and 1/2 female (or herm).
 
growlegal

growlegal

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You guys do realize this guy is the great pink pistol seed supplier who invented growing in horseshit.
He must know what he is talking about.
 
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reeferMaster

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haha well ive read up your supposed 2 find the pure fem becuase you want all your fem seeds 2 not hermie plants have genetics just like humans plants are not suposed 2 hermaphadite in the first place just like humans its a deformed sibling.aka retardation becasue seeds are supossed 2 be made buy the natural spread of pollen. (male 2 female) using hermie genetics will probly only make your seeds 70% female vs. 50% when bred male to female, plants are supossed 2 be breed with its own strain, im sure all the crossing is whats ruiend most of the genetics . peace,
 
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reeferMaster

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and also horse shit is one of the stupidest things ive heard of 2 day all u need is dirt n water, maybe bird or bat shit, if ur gunna use horse shit u mite as well let a bail of alphalph compost and use that. problem with horse shit is its full of stomach acid and needs 2 be composted any way. good luck yall
 
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truevoodoo

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I think someone is missing the point, hermie is not a trait, it is an occurrence and a fact, cannabis being an a-sexual species does not rely on purity when it already has a tendency to hermaphrodite.

it is not a trait to be bred out by any means.

cannabis is a-sexual first and foremost, above all other things it happens to be.
 
Gastanker

Gastanker

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anyone heard of X and Y chromosomes? Males are XY and females are XX. A Male (XY) and a male gone hermy (XY) will produce just as many males as females with an increased chance of being hermy. If you want feminized you need two females (xx) and have one of them herm out due to stress. The pollen of the stressed plant has to be XX and bred to another XX female will produce only XX seeds (feminized)
 
Gastanker

Gastanker

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truevoodoo said:
I think someone is missing the point, hermie is not a trait, it is an occurrence and a fact, cannabis being an a-sexual species does not rely on purity when it already has a tendency to hermaphrodite.

it is not a trait to be bred out by any means.

cannabis is a-sexual first and foremost, above all other things it happens to be.
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A sexual? Algae are A-sexual, all flowering plants require two sexes to create a seed - sperm and egg or pollen and ovules. Pot is sub-dioecious, some plants are female and some are male with a tendency for hermaphrodites. sub-Dioecious plants can produce genetic variants that are genetic hermaphrodites - both female and male structures are present equally. THey can however also produce opposing sexes reproductive structures without being genetically a hermaphrodite. These later ones are what we want for feminization
 
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truevoodoo

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Gastanker said:
A sexual? Algae are A-sexual
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yes, cannabis is a-sexual, it does not require both sexes to reproduce, per your next statement below.

Gastanker said:
all flowering plants require two sexes to create a seed - sperm and egg or pollen and ovules. Pot is sub-dioecious, some plants are female and some are male with a tendency for hermaphrodites.
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nope, cannabis does not require both sexes to reproduce.

nor do they have sperm or eggs, you may be confusing plant reproduction with other forms of life.

however, what would you call it when a female cannabis plant is pollinated and produces seeds ? hehehe gotcha ...

keep your hopes up and keep them fingers crossed, the day hermaphroditism is a trait and a way to breed out that trait exists, then a way has successfully been created to eradicate the entire existence of cannabis (in theory).

and to clear things up a little bit further, there is no such thing as a genetic hermaphrodite cannabis plant, all cannabis that is considered a hermaphrodite displayed a dominant sex firstly.

cheers :bigjoint:
 
The Potologist

The Potologist

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Well I know that in my crops year after year my females give me feminized seeds...I say maybe 7-10 seeds max per plant and they are always feminized. I am not sure if this is genetics that plays this role or what. My strains are from GreenHouse Seed Co. and I have never ever had a male or a hermie from any of my seeds that come from my sensimillia
 
Gastanker

Gastanker

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truevoodoo said:
yes, cannabis is a-sexual, it does not require both sexes to reproduce, per your next statement below.



nope, cannabis does not require both sexes to reproduce.

nor do they have sperm or eggs, you may be confusing plant reproduction with other forms of life.

however, what would you call it when a female cannabis plant is pollinated and produces seeds ? hehehe gotcha ...

keep your hopes up and keep them fingers crossed, the day hermaphroditism is a trait and a way to breed out that trait exists, then a way has successfully been created to eradicate the entire existence of cannabis (in theory).

and to clear things up a little bit further, there is no such thing as a genetic hermaphrodite cannabis plant, all cannabis that is considered a hermaphrodite displayed a dominant sex firstly.

cheers :bigjoint:
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Dude, seriously take a biology course. An example of a sexual reproduction is budding, when a plant grows off of another plant. Algae buds, Pot is NOT a-sexual. Pot can self polinate but that is very different. Polination is another word for sexual reproduction. Look it up... Pollen is a plants sperm - male genetic information, female flowers have ovaries (yes they are calle dovaries in a plant, again look this up) inside the ovaries are ovules (eggs - these house female genetic information). Pollination occurs when the pollen is caught by the pistil and travels down into the ovary and then an exchange of genetic information occurs between the pollen and the ovule. This is in laymans terms, I'm hoping you can follow. A-sexual reproduction would involve seeds spontaniously growing with no fertilization. A few plants and a few organisms can do this - some female lizards lay viable eggs with no fertilization but these are exceptions to the rule. And yes, there are genetic hermaphrodites...what else would they be? Your geneticly a male, or a female, or both...even in humans. Go to college dude or hell just wiki plant sexuality.

I think even this isn't simple enough - if you have nuts on a plant as well as flowers and you end up with seeds it is still sexual reproduction. This is not an Amoeba.

Oh - and hermaphrotism can be bred out as well as in. You could make a strian that 99% of the time was hermy as well as one that isn't 99% of the time. Of course there will always be a chance of herming, nature isn't stupid and there is always evolution through mutation especially in sexually reproductive organisms. That doens't mean when it happens that the hermy plant is genetically the same as the others and just happens to be both sexes - it is a hermaphrodite due to its genetics being different. And most people know you can selectively breed genetic traits... Of course you can't suddely cause genetics to change once an organism has been created, thus female plants that grow a couple nuts due to shock late in their cycle produce female only pollen allowing feminized seeds to be created. Might as well say feminized seeds don't exhist.
 
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truevoodoo

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Gastanker said:
Dude, seriously take a biology course. An example of a sexual reproduction is budding, when a plant grows off of another plant.
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huh ? I seriously thought it was a sign of maturity, the actual act of reproducing surely does not have to occur. and when a plant grows off another plant ? i still am not sure what you are getting at ...

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Algae buds, Pot is NOT a-sexual. Pot can self polinate but that is very different.
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cannabis is a-sexual, whats so different about it ?

Gastanker said:
Polination is another word for sexual reproduction. Look it up... Pollen is a plants sperm - male genetic information, female flowers have ovaries (yes they are calle dovaries in a plant, again look this up) inside the ovaries are ovules (eggs - these house female genetic information). Pollination occurs when the pollen is caught by the pistil and travels down into the ovary and then an exchange of genetic information occurs between the pollen and the ovule. This is in laymans terms, I'm hoping you can follow.
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and here you kind of go on and on contradicting what you say, is pollination an example of budding as to your first quote, or is it another word for the act of attempting to reproduce ?

Gastanker said:
A-sexual reproduction would involve seeds spontaniously growing with no fertilization.
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hehehe, this describes cannabis pretty well ... when it involves true hermaphroditism

Gastanker said:
A few plants and a few organisms can do this - some female lizards lay viable eggs with no fertilization but these are exceptions to the rule. And yes, there are genetic hermaphrodites...what else would they be? Your geneticly a male, or a female, or both...even in humans. Go to college dude or hell just wiki plant sexuality.

I think even this isn't simple enough - if you have nuts on a plant as well as flowers and you end up with seeds it is still sexual reproduction. This is not an Amoeba.

Oh - and hermaphrotism can be bred out as well as in. You could make a strian that 99% of the time was hermy as well as one that isn't 99% of the time. Of course there will always be a chance of herming, nature isn't stupid and there is always evolution through mutation especially in sexually reproductive organisms. That doens't mean when it happens that the hermy plant is genetically the same as the others and just happens to be both sexes - it is a hermaphrodite due to its genetics being different. And most people know you can selectively breed genetic traits... Of course you can't suddely cause genetics to change once an organism has been created, thus female plants that grow a couple nuts due to shock late in their cycle produce female only pollen allowing feminized seeds to be created. Might as well say feminized seeds don't exhist.
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and finally are we even talking about the same thing ? lizards and laymans terms ? but yeah you sound like your trying to convince everyone to act surprised and throw a fit when cannabis decides to produce seeds, it is simple ...

hermaphrodites can be the result of poor as well as optimal conditions, you sound silly talking about making strains with % ratios of hermaphrodites, its really not that complicated. you sound like i salesman for the latest deal on the hot seeds from the seed bank.

there is no such thing as a genetic hermaphrodite when it comes to cannabis. cannabis has to mature sexually before it can reproduce either through pollination or a-sexuality.

lol, and believe me, when dealing with cannabis the home schooled guy will always know more about the subject than someone who has taken college courses in botany and what not ...
 
Gastanker

Gastanker

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How is a seed made? I want your explination of how this is possible. Seeds just pop out of leaves and fall to the ground or do they grow? ANd if they grow can you tell me the cycles they go through? Budding IS a-sexual reproduction - Pot does not bud...it grows seeds... Ever notice your hermaphrodites have flowers? Im guessing they have pollen sacs too... An a-sexual plant wouldn't need either male or female flowers... But again, read a book. No point in bickering with an uneducated dolt just trying to get a rise out of people and spread misinformation. Hell, again, just look at a diagram of any angiosperm...

"cannabis has to mature sexually before it can reproduce either through pollination or a-sexuality" Just please tell me how pot re-produces a-sexually? You havent once stated how this is accomplished. A clone is one example but can you give me an example that happens in nature? Pot reproducing with no pollen whatsoever. Biologically how would this happen?

***I am not saying by any means you need to go to college or recieve any higher education to be knolegeable. By education I also mean self education but this should include reading a book now and then and perhaps first understanding the basics of plant biology.
 
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