Breeders, Moneygrabs, and Hermies

I am on the fence here
They are lots of folks who think the right seed or soil or nutrients or some fancy light dictates the quantity or quality the can expect
Seeds these same “growers “ think breeder times and yields are gospel when in reality it’s just hype to sell seeds
The problem comes when someone runs one grow and it comes out well and becomes the benchmark for all other efforts
If you don’t have dedicated cooling/heating humidity control
In addition to pest control your previous success just could be you caught the right conditions and if you can’t duplicate it all you could end up blaming the breeder
Seed hawkers just want to sell seeds and seed buyers want bargains , freebies and weed better than everyone else
I know people who only grow in the winter and others who only grow in the summer because of their conditions
So when I hear someone say I had four grows but nothing but problems since
If you don’t have the right setup for all variables your just throwing it against the wall and hoping
The weather is constantly changing and given the right conditions you don’t have to worry about it
So yeah some issues are chucker related but I think even more are the growers who see somebody on you tube cranking out dank and expecting to do the same cause they bought the same light and nutrients
I’ve said it before I could hand out three identical clones and none of them will look like mine at harvest
Just to many variables and then there is always the unscrupulous seed buyer who orders and then after five emails in four days cancels his card and keeps the gear when it arrives or demands the seller to replace the seeds and keeps both sets
All those things force breeders the charge more but it’s seedy business on both ends

Herb & Suds said:

... it’s seedy business on both ends

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I see what ya did there

Got another couple small sacks formed on Funkfetti #2 today. Not like the first one that I chucked out - but like 5 spots (day 13 of flower). I popped them off and I'll run with it.
Luckily it wasn't the pheno I was eyeing hardest. Out of this box set i've had lots of herms. The mods said it has to be something in my environment that isn't dialed in. Fucked if I know what it could be.
Besides fungus gnats I think my setup is perfect. And if it IS fungus gnats causing herming - well, that's weak.

I am extremely frustrated with this as well. I agree 100%

Over the past couple years thrown out a lot of hermies. I see one in week 2-3 I throw the plant out. Back in the day I would see a banana in late flower here and there. Now I see seedlings with full on male flowers in early bloom. I hate it.

xtsho said:

I grow exclusively from seed and don't get hermies.

I think you're using the term breeder much too loosely. Who are these other breeders and what actual background do they have in plant science?

The "Never flower from seed plants" is 100% bro-science nonsense.

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It’s not bro science man. Sometimes the cuttings don’t carry the potency and some traits of the mother even though they are supposedly “genetic copy clones”.

Sometimes seed plants will develop male parts on lower underlit branches. Its extremely rare for the clones from that same plant to continue to throw balls because the plant has matured and acclimated to its artificial environment. Thats not broscience, its fact and I'd challenge anyone to disprove this widely accepted concept.

Plants that show interesex from top to bottom should be tossed though....thats just lazy breeding.

Every man an and his dog is now a “breeder”, it’s honestly sickening.
Every week there’s another money hungry prick crossing herm packs with herm packs and selling them as exclusives or some other shitty drop!

You have to learn to see through the bullshit marketing facade, that’s their main weapon, pretty marketing and suspect stories of the origins of their stock. Laughable!

I’d never be buying anything off Instagram, let alone seeds!

Coldnasty said:

It’s not bro science man. Sometimes the cuttings don’t carry the potency and some traits of the mother even though they are supposedly “genetic copy clones”.

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I was referring to this statement:

"I have read other breeders state never flower your from seed plants, always take cuts and flower them but never heard why and I wonder if this is related and part of the old bro-science that holds some facts to it?.."

This guy is charging $2000 for a pack of seeds. I can’t believe this shit. That blows my mind. I can’t believe it. It’s like a joke.

Its very simple. Old school strains (the real original ones) were stabilized over years. I hear rumors about Northern Lights taking 9 years or something crazy like that. Now people are cranking out "new" strains monthly. The math just doesn't add up. Again its about turning over money. Anyone taking years to stabilize a strain falls way behind the curve and may as well close up shop. Its just the way it is.

I think it's like the chems where we have just accepted a certain risk because the bud is exceptional. I've found that I see way less intersex stuff since I've been running lower EC. Like others have said running clones of females that just throw a few lower sacks will often clear them up but cloning a true hermaphrodite will not turn it female. I've seen a lot of nuts lately from the exotic guys but they almost always say it's worth it lol

Jeeyah said:

This guy is charging $2000 for a pack of seeds. I can’t believe this shit. That blows my mind. I can’t believe it. It’s like a joke.

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It's a complete joke.

But you know what they say...

Well I'll be damned. Went and checked my two Black Domina fems that are in week 4 of flower and one has two little bulbous growths opposite each other at a lower leaf node. I am guessing that they are ball sacs since there are no others that I can find and I do not recall seeing female plants pop out female flowers at leaf nodes once flowering has started, but it never occurred to me to check. I have had plants that had those giant calyxes at leaf nodes but IIRC those start growing at the start of flower, not 4 weeks later. May have to trash this one plant and inspect the other every other day. I have run about two dozen fems from this same seed bank the past few years and never had a herm issue. If this/these turn out to be lady boys I'm tossing any fem seeds I have. I think there's only a few left anyway. I would think that by tomorrow morning a positive ID will be made, and I'm not optimistic about the outcome.

Willy B. Goode said:

Well I'll be damned. Went and checked my two Black Domina fems that are in week 4 of flower and one has two little bulbous growths opposite each other at a lower leaf node. I am guessing that they are ball sacs since there are no others that I can find and I do not recall seeing female plants pop out female flowers at leaf nodes once flowering has started, but it never occurred to me to check. I have had plants that had those giant calyxes at leaf nodes but IIRC those start growing at the start of flower, not 4 weeks later. May have to trash this one plant and inspect the other every other day. I have run about two dozen fems from this same seed bank the past few years and never had a herm issue. If this/these turn out to be lady boys I'm tossing any fem seeds I have. I think there's only a few left anyway. I would think that by tomorrow morning a positive ID will be made, and I'm not optimistic about the outcome.

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Whoa slow down. You have to be sure. I think the evil is done between day 13 and 21 or so.

Jeeyah said:

Whoa slow down. You have to be sure. I think the evil is done between day 13 and 21 or so.

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Stop. Feminized seeds are fine. Did you see male flowers? That’s a hermie.

It will look like BUNCH of bananas. They will open and you will see pollen.

One of the many reasons I prefer to have old school genetics over new shit.... I had a sweet seeds sweet skunk throw a few nanners this last grow I harvested yesterday, I did notice a seed pod with an immature seed in it. I know it didnt do much and I can live with one or two seeds but anymore its all just money grab city . Imo we have hit a plateu with genetics and I doubt it'll do anything much more than what we have already.... Give me an old school NL or a Paki anyday over this "new" stuff.... I pretty much agree with everything everyone has said here ....

Jeeyah said:

Stop. Feminized seeds are fine. Did you see male flowers? That’s a hermie.

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I'm not sure yet like I said probably tomorrow morning or evening I will be able to tell if they are male flowers or not. I know what I'm looking for I have sexed reg plants pre-flip many times.

I had way more herms with old genetics. Have had one herm in like 10yrs

So I'm definitely not what I'd call a breeder , but for 30 years growing outdoors my partner and I always produced our own seeds . We'd generally have anywhere from 25 to 50 individual patches , anywhere from a couple hundred feet to miles apart from each other .

Each year we would designate certain units as seed patches . Most often they'd be all of the same strains in each patch , once in a while we'd grow two in the same unit with the intent of a cross .

So it was basically open pollination using 10-20 individual plants . We never had any hermies in the seeds we produced .

Was it genetics ? Conditions ? Luck ? I'm trying to wrap my head around this weed genetics thing before it's legal here this coming October . Fish genetics seemed a whole lot easier .