Breeding question
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so your saying the more I breed Mango strains then the more stable it becomes?
what if I breed my own strain using a Male Skunk and a Female Mango how can I make that more stable?
ok I read this part but I don't under stand it 100%
So it can be for example that these F1 plants grow much more rapidly or produce bigger buds then their parents. Another advantage of this F1 is that all plants will be identical. Selection of the best plants is of course not needed anymore.
'' The strength of the hybrid will however decrease if you go on with breeding. A F2 is therefore qualitatively lesser then the F1. This because of the recessive alleles that nicely hided in the F1 and can come forward in the F2. Furthermore the offspring of F1 plants will no longer be identical. ''
what does that last quoted part meen?
So it can be for example that these F1 plants grow much more rapidly or produce bigger buds then their parents. Another advantage of this F1 is that all plants will be identical. Selection of the best plants is of course not needed anymore.
'' The strength of the hybrid will however decrease if you go on with breeding. A F2 is therefore qualitatively lesser then the F1. This because of the recessive alleles that nicely hided in the F1 and can come forward in the F2. Furthermore the offspring of F1 plants will no longer be identical. ''
what does that last quoted part meen?
Puff
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Its saying that the hybrid vigor is lost with subsequent generations. The reason for the hybrid vigor is the way the genes come together. The first round of F1 hybrids will have the strongest traits from both parents, being superior to either parent plant. But over many generations your going to start to get a mix of recessive alleles showing up again.
so your saying that the F1 Female plants will be stronger for smoking then the original mom?
I've googled recessive alleles but I can't seem to find an easy answer what it meens =( if you don't mind helping me under stand it in easer tearms that would be awsome and I'll deff rep you on that.
If I bread a Northern Lights together to make an F1 and bread Haze together to make an F1 that would should make a stronger Haze and stronger Northern Lights and I correct?
If I breed Haze F1 + Haze F1 would that make Haze F2 better or worse and why?
and if I bread the Northern Lights F1 and Haze F1 to make Northern Lights x Haze would it be a F1 or would it be just like a strain that's not an F1 ?
here's what I'm thinking how it goes
Northern Lights + Northern Lights = Northern Lights F1
Haze + Haze = Haze F1
but if I do this
Northern Lights F1 + Haze F1
would that give me just Northern Lights x Haze or would it give me Northern Lights x Haze F1 ???
and here's a realy good question, would a regular Hermi plant polinating its self create F1 seeds?
Puff
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Hhmm ok let me think, give the old gears a moment to get going. Still waiting .. Uhm, ok got it!
To answer your question on recessive alleles it goes like this. When DNA reproduces it takes 1 gene from each parent. One is dominant and one is recessive. Recessive traits are only expressed when both haploid sex cells are recessive, here is a punnent square to give you an example. The capital letter is dominant, lower case is recessive. Out of the 4 only one of the gametes produced will express the recessive trait. The one with two lower case letters.
so once I breed Haze and Haze toget Haze F1 I shouldn't brreed it any more then that correct?Hhmm ok let me think, give the old gears a moment to get going. Still waiting….. Uhm, ok got it!
To answer your question on recessive alleles it goes like this. When DNA reproduces it takes 1 gene from each parent. One is dominant and one is recessive. Recessive traits are only expressed when both haploid sex cells are recessive, here is a punnent square to give you an example. The capital letter is dominant, lower case is recessive. Out of the 4 only one of the gametes produced will express the recessive trait. The one with two lower case letters.
Puff
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To make F1 generations you need two strains. Say Skunk x Blueberry, even the mixed offspring could be breed back into the pedigree strain to produce more F1 hybrids. As long as it's a different mixed strain or pure strain put together you will always get F1 hybrids with 25% faster growth. That's what I learned in biology this semester. So theroretically could you keep hybridizing to get a plant that grows 100% faster?
Puff
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Yes that is my understanding to getting F1 hybrids.
so F1 hybrids is the best you can get a strain that is the most pure and shouldn't be breed any more with its self not even with a nother F1 correct?
Puff
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Im not sure I understand what your asking? If your only looking for F1 hybrids than you dont want to breed it with itself. You will want to try and keep the gene pool diverse. Of course you could just keep cross breeding the same two different strains to keep you supplied with predictable F1 hybrids.
cross breeding is using the parents that aren't F1 hybrids am I correct (ie Haze + Haze = Haze F1)?
ok here's another question and I'm gonna do the math and please tell me what the answer would be
Haze + Haze = Haze F1
Mango + Mango = Mango F1
Haze F1 + Mango F1 = ???
would they make ie
Orange Haze or Orange Haze F1 ?
is a hybrid is unstable correct?
ok and what would breeding the 2 same strains do?
ie Haze + Haze
or
Haze F1 + Haze F1
Puff
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The first generation of hybrids are stable, but inbreeding within the hybrids will result in a wide variety of expressed traits. By breeding the same strain over and over it stabilizes. Most breeder want to sell you their F1 hybrids, first off they do grow faster, second you cant reproduce them easily. Since they are crossing two stable strains to create the hybrid. Breeders don't sell their stable strains that's where they make their money. The F1 first generation is very predictable but if you breed the F1's they will give you a wide variety.
ok so...
Mango + Haze = MangoHaze F1
MangoHaze F1 + MangoHaze F1 = more of a stable strain correct?
and having 2 strains the same making seeds would give better seeds or worse seeds?
mr west
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If you got seeds froma stable mom with out indroducing a male will the seeds be A. female B. stable f1 or will it throw traits that havnt been seen b4. I left my white widow 10 weeks flowering and there was 7 seeds in the toppermost bud. How long do u need to leave the seeds b4 they good to plant? The seeds look lovely, brown speckles, like minni easter eggs.
Puff
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If you were able to somehow get a true female to self pollenate using gibberellic acid to force male flowers for the pollen (You said without introducing a male plant). Than you would get feminized seeds that would be stable, I think? Im not sure on that one but thats my guess. Just remember a Hybrid is a cross of any two strains. Hybrids show greater vigor than either parent, but are not stable for inbreeding. At least thats what the books say.