BRF Cake Turned Wicked!

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canndo said:
The brownish aborts look like bacterial infection to me - not enough air movement, and or, they got really wet. You want high RH but you don't want the things to remain wet very long. Maybe Pseudomonacae. Frankly, you are on the verge of growing plenty of mushrooms, good mushrooms, Personally, I wouldn't eat anything that had the chance of making me sick AND high at the same time. We play with all sorts of nasties at the microscopic level when we grow mushrooms. We can inadvertently bring a slight concentration of a few harmless little bodies into the realm of toxicity and danger. For instance, Aspergillus Niger or Aspergillus Flavus scare the PISS out of me. If I even imagine I have a case growing I will toss it all in the cooker, steam it for an hour or so and still use a mask when I get the stuff out of there. I recently read a recounting of a guy who just went outside and cleaned his jars of who knows what, no precautions no nothing. He is quite certain that he can attribute a host of lung disorders to his having done so. Whenever I am unsure, it goes in a sealed bag, it gets steamed and then goes into the trash.
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Canndo – I tossed the cake in 24 hour soak. Would you also trash the cake? I have an extra FC I could quarantine the cake and see what the second flush looks like. Just a thought.
 
canndo

canndo

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No, the cake is probably not bad, just the fruit and as I said, it is likely a bacteria, this does not look like aspergillus, which is quite obviously a mold - if it were I'd tell you to trash everything you have including the growing space. Yellow or black sprulating bodies. The Aflatoxins are the most potent hepatacarcinogens yet found.

". flavus is the second most common agent of aspergillosis, the first being Aspergillus fumigatus. A. flavus may invade arteries of the lung or brain and cause infarction. Neutropenia predisposes to aspergillus infection. Aspergillus flavus also produces a toxin (aflatoxin) which is one of the aetiological agents for hepatocellular carcinoma. [2]"
 
canndo

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DSCF1180.JPGDSCF1178.JPGDSCF1179.JPGLook closely at the fine roughly parallel hairs running 2/3rds up the stems. Note that I have put a slice/marker in the middle picture so you can see where the hairs end. This is characteristic of 100 percent moisture in the growing area. This grow has 4 changes per hour, a bit more than is required but I never dialed the box down and there was little need as I quit watering the thing. These are, in my opinion, dud mushrooms, do you see any bluing at all on them? I didn't.
 
sonar

sonar

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They don't look very good to me. Personally, I don't think I would eat them but of course that is up to you. Have you been misting the cakes or just the sides of the terrarium? If you're getting too much water on the cakes that could be the problem. They look rotten to me.
 
DarthD3vl

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I didn't read therough yet so this may have been answered already but it look to me like combination of over spraying and lack of air flow, the pinning was perfect, but something went wrong during that period, to much moisture with lack of fresh air allows the water to sit and soak into the mycelium, possible that it has bactiral infection also.. the dark lines in the stems are normally weak lines in the stem from to much water + lack of airflow, if thats all it is its pretty much the worse case of it i've seen.. hopefully some one more experinced chimes in, i'm not sure if i'd eat them or not..

edit: read through, canndo is probably right on the money... bacteria, and i see you chuncked them already so.. im late to the party
 
choempi

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DarthD3vl said:
I didn't read therough yet so this may have been answered already but it look to me like combination of over spraying and lack of air flow, the pinning was perfect, but something went wrong during that period, to much moisture with lack of fresh air allows the water to sit and soak into the mycelium, possible that it has bactiral infection also.. the dark lines in the stems are normally weak lines in the stem from to much water + lack of airflow, if thats all it is its pretty much the worse case of it i've seen.. hopefully some one more experinced chimes in, i'm not sure if i'd eat them or not..

edit: read through, canndo is probably right on the money... bacteria, and i see you chuncked them already so.. im late to the party
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still a good post
 
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midwest reefer

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DarthD3vl said:
I didn't read therough yet so this may have been answered already but it look to me like combination of over spraying and lack of air flow, the pinning was perfect, but something went wrong during that period, to much moisture with lack of fresh air allows the water to sit and soak into the mycelium, possible that it has bactiral infection also.. the dark lines in the stems are normally weak lines in the stem from to much water + lack of airflow, if thats all it is its pretty much the worse case of it i've seen.. hopefully some one more experinced chimes in, i'm not sure if i'd eat them or not..

edit: read through, canndo is probably right on the money... bacteria, and i see you chuncked them already so.. im late to the party
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Thanks for stopping by Darth. When I saw all the pins, I thought the cake might need a bit more attention. Lesson learned. Must control my urge to mist. Oh well, just bagged 5g (dried) from one of the other cakes.
 
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Well, I just wanted to add a final note to the wicked cake saga. The second flush was just as wicked as the first. I managed to control the amount and frequency of “love”, with no change in outcome. Once again the mushrooms were tossed as well as the cake. Although over-misting may have contributed to the deformities, Im feeling more confident that there was also a genetic factor in play. For obvious reasons I never took a spore print and therefore look forward to this becoming a distant memory.
 
Puffer Fish

Puffer Fish

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What you had was a wicked lesson in Moosh LIFE cycle ... that is what it's all about !

Congrats .... you have done very well !

:)
 
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