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OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Figure it's time for an update:
Plant #1 - 12.81oz
Plant #2 - 11.49oz
12.15 oz per plant averaged, 24.3oz total yield
I ran this run with two walls bare so that would have theoretically been 48.6oz for 4 or 3.03lb or 1.24g/w
That said, I am overall not to impressed with the structure of the herb grown in this configuration
Personally at this point I feel the way @PKHydro is running with a more natural plant structure surrounded by the vertical lamps is far and above a better method than the vertical trellis if you have the space to run it.
On with the show :hump:

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Chillin chillin

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Do you you feel you would do better on an annual basis horizontally?
I just feel that shorter veg times enable 1-2 more rounds per year, just wondering what you think as I am currently pondering tables or vert.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Chillin chillin said:
Do you you feel you would do better on an annual basis horizontally?
I just feel that shorter veg times enable 1-2 more rounds per year, just wondering what you think as I am currently pondering tables or vert.
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I don't care whether it's vert or flatlander, don't veg in your bloom room because it's a waste of time, money and resources. That's some seriously expensive real estate, between the equipment needed and the cost of operation.

Veg in a separate room, then when your bloom room is ready you can place them in there.

The next logical step is to have some place for the plants to go after they're done in the bloom room, so you can get the next batch in place right away without waiting to finish harvesting them. This space can have a lot less light, I suggest using high Kelvin color spectrum for better frost. Less light means less heat and therefore less need for HVAC.

With these two added spaces in place, I'm able to get over 6 eight week turns a year.
 
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Chillin chillin

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ttystikk said:
I don't care whether it's vert or flatlander, don't veg in your bloom room because it's a waste of time, money and resources. That's some seriously expensive real estate, between the equipment needed and the cost of operation.

Veg in a separate room, then when your bloom room is ready you can place them in there.

The next logical step is to have some place for the plants to go after they're done in the bloom room, so you can get the next batch in place right away without waiting to finish harvesting them. This space can have a lot less light, I suggest using high Kelvin color spectrum for better frost. Less light means less heat and therefore less need for HVAC.

With these two added spaces in place, I'm able to get over 6 eight week turns a year.
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What's some lighting you would suggest. I'm 7+ years large scale gavidas and 1000 watt ballasts
But for my personal I'm totally down to try something new.
 
Frajola

Frajola

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Well it's to come to an end one day, and that day is lurking around. Just not that happy at all with lack of frost, could be more, but u know this garden started from a chaos and I'm surprise to have gotten to this , so I'm @ 9Ws+ into flowering which I don't see going further than 1 more week tops, maybe?
And I got start a new garden , a VERT one yes, a small vert grow ., my 1st again, oh boy ! Thanks Tty it's ur fault, lol.

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IMG_2720.JPG .........going vert.
by the way the autos r turning into a really good stuff, but still curing,
peace.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Chillin chillin said:
Do you you feel you would do better on an annual basis horizontally?
I just feel that shorter veg times enable 1-2 more rounds per year, just wondering what you think as I am currently pondering tables or vert.
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As @ttystikk points out above real estate is an issue. Honestly from what I can calculate at this point I feel yield will be about the same in the end. I would only be able to have a vert harvest every 2 months where I can harvest a standard run every month. So, Half the yield twice as often with easier veg timing for me going back horizontal. And tbh, I feel I get way more top shelf material in a horizontal setting.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Chillin chillin said:
What's some lighting you would suggest. I'm 7+ years large scale gavidas and 1000 watt ballasts
But for my personal I'm totally down to try something new.
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Grab a 6000K-10000K MH thouie and run that for twelve a day. By the end of bloom, the nutes are being depleted and so more light isn't wise. You're just letting the plant finish. The high energy end of the McCree curve is known to help the plants build frost.

If you're running groups of plants at a time, this affords the opportunity to harvest the most ripe plant first, then take the rest in turn. Unless you're running mono crop, you should have a few that naturally finish within eight weeks, some that want a little more and maybe even a sativa dominant that likes all the extra time she can get.

Last out;
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PKHydro

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Why would you rather let the plants grow into more natural "trees" like I do, rather than spread them out over a vertical panel?

Just curious as I'm about to start some vert panels in the corners of my rooms to utilize some wasted space. What was it about the structure you didn't like?

I looked back and it looked like you had done a damn fine job filling those panels. And the finished bud looks pretty fire as well.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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PKHydro said:
Why would you rather let the plants grow into more natural "trees" like I do, rather than spread them out over a vertical panel?

Just curious as I'm about to start some vert panels in the corners of my rooms to utilize some wasted space. What was it about the structure you didn't like?

I looked back and it looked like you had done a damn fine job filling those panels. And the finished bud looks pretty fire as well.
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I train the plants onto the trellis to maximize utilization of space. The plants do want to grow up but espalier techniques will help the grower take full advantage of a vertical trellis.

I recommend using flat panels, as curving them around a bulb seems to create overcrowding.
 
pinner420

pinner420

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I was delusional I thought you had 4 girls in there.. looked back through the photos it must have been the 4 sites that threw me off.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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PKHydro said:
Why would you rather let the plants grow into more natural "trees" like I do, rather than spread them out over a vertical panel?

Just curious as I'm about to start some vert panels in the corners of my rooms to utilize some wasted space. What was it about the structure you didn't like?

I looked back and it looked like you had done a damn fine job filling those panels. And the finished bud looks pretty fire as well.
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It is my belief that the plant is confused hormonally or something going on. Typically you would get very large buds/cola on the tip of each branch, not so in this situation with all of the light coming more or less from the side. Smaller buds all over the fucking place that are a bitch to trim. Plus there is zero light coming at them from the back side of the trellis so their is a fair amount of undeveloped on the back.
I am a rotate and spread em kind of guy typically trying to get as even a quality on the whole plant as possible.
It definitely delivered on the weight and I have two more rolling through as we speak that did not get vegged quite as big but should still deliver.
It just didn't fit the high production/turn over frequency I am needing without having another whole space to veg since it takes easily twice a normal decent veg

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I was delusional I thought you had 4 girls in there.. looked back through the photos it must have been the 4 sites that threw me off.
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The plan was to bring them in 2 at a time staggered 4 weeks apart but the second round in veg had a few issues and I didn't make the timing
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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OneHitDone said:
It is my belief that the plant is confused hormonally or something going on. Typically you would get very large buds/cola on the tip of each branch, not so in this situation with all of the light coming more or less from the side. Smaller buds all over the fucking place that are a bitch to trim. Plus there is zero light coming at them from the back side of the trellis so their is a fair amount of undeveloped on the back.
I am a rotate and spread em kind of guy typically trying to get as even a quality on the whole plant as possible.
It definitely delivered on the weight and I have two more rolling through as we speak that did not get vegged quite as big but should still deliver.
It just didn't fit the high production/turn over frequency I am needing without having another whole space to veg since it takes easily twice a normal decent veg


The plan was to bring them in 2 at a time staggered 4 weeks apart but the second round in veg had a few issues and I didn't make the timing
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Okay, so to get them to grow tall I strip their lowers several times. Once they're tall enough, maybe just over half the height of the trellis panel, I top them.

Then to cover the trellis, I choose half a dozen good branches coming from the main stem and keep only those, removing the rest. Each of these gets its own part of the trellis to grow into.

These side branches do very well if I can make them turn a full 360 degrees on the trellis. This does indeed confuse the hormonal response and helps create even budding sites from top to bottom.

Finally, whatever is remaining on the back of the plant is cleaned up in prebloom veg, then delarfed once again about day 21 of bloom.

Look for yourself, this is a Super Lemon Haze;
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pinner420

pinner420

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I'm with PKHydro I like developing all of the plant. Anytime I've put them against a wall I've been disappointed. Your space if you elect would serve you better with two monsters and a couple additional 315s or 600s.. my 315 centered puts on a gratuitous amount of frost compared to my 600s. Put a 6ft plant steak in and letm eat. Then you could accommodate a shorter veg time as you'd need approximately 16 more square foot if you took them to 6 ft. Naturally keeping the thouiee center stage. Just my meditation on things. On the notion of perpetual I discovered I'd rather run a group at the same time so that I'm not fighting difficiencys/juggling of N to accommodate the new round.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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pinner420 said:
I'm with PKHydro I like developing all of the plant. Anytime I've put them against a wall I've been disappointed. Your space if you elect would serve you better with two monsters and a couple additional 315s or 600s.. my 315 centered puts on a gratuitous amount of frost compared to my 600s. Put a 6ft plant steak in and letm eat. Then you could accommodate a shorter veg time as you'd need approximately 16 more square foot if you took them to 6 ft. Naturally keeping the thouiee center stage. Just my meditation on things. On the notion of perpetual I discovered I'd rather run a group at the same time so that I'm not fighting difficiencys/juggling of N to accommodate the new round.
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My situation is that I want monthly harvests and only have 2 5x5's for flower with 1 4x5'ish for veg. I can feed those to 5x5's with nice 5-6 week veg beauties easily.
I can not veg 4 monster trellis plants in my veg and have them ready to roll on 4 week intervals.
This is the great thing about this "Hobby", there is no 1 way or correct way to get the job done. We each get to play and find our groove.
This was about seeing what a single 1000W lamp would be able to do in a 4 sided vert grow, I feel I got the info I was seeking and show that single ended hps can smash past 1 g/w.
Now to go after 2+ units per light on the flat :hump:
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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OneHitDone said:
Figure it's time for an update:
Plant #1 - 12.81oz
Plant #2 - 11.49oz
12.15 oz per plant averaged, 24.3oz total yield
I ran this run with two walls bare so that would have theoretically been 48.6oz for 4 or 3.03lb or 1.24g/w
That said, I am overall not to impressed with the structure of the herb grown in this configuration
Personally at this point I feel the way @PKHydro is running with a more natural plant structure surrounded by the vertical lamps is far and above a better method than the vertical trellis if you have the space to run it.
On with the show :hump:

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Nice work! So this is were you've been! Miss you in the Led section homie!
If all 4 walls were plant you would've gotten 1.3 GPW off HPS? That's like double what most get growing Horizontal w/ a hood above.
I'd have to read back. 1 , 1000 or 2, 600's?
When you say you weren't happy with the structure in this configuration, did you mean that they didn't bulk up like big colas?

Just started another Cloak run. Getting the 32" blades sent next week so they will be much more density to the light then what you saw last time, using 48" tall blades.
Stop by. Using it in conjunction w/ my Amare & HH.

Guess you really can get allot more bud for your bulb going Vert. Looks mad cool too! Bud looks high quality! Good job!
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Hybridway said:
Nice work! So this is were you've been! Miss you in the Led section homie!
If all 4 walls were plant you would've gotten 1.3 GPW off HPS? That's like double what most get growing Horizontal w/ a hood above.
I'd have to read back. 1 , 1000 or 2, 600's?
When you say you weren't happy with the structure in this configuration, did you mean that they didn't bulk up like big colas?

Just started another Cloak run. Getting the 32" blades sent next week so they will be much more density to the light then what you saw last time, using 48" tall blades.
Stop by. Using it in conjunction w/ my Amare & HH.

Guess you really can get allot more bud for your bulb going Vert. Looks mad cool too! Bud looks high quality! Good job!
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Yes, if I would have had all 4 plant sites filled it would have been 1.24 g/w. Remember also this batch of plants had a major issue when I moved them going into flower, almost lost them. 4lb from a single 1000W HPS hung vert is totally doable but the veg is an ass grinder.
There was a shit load of biomass that is totally baggable by most standards but I don't like trimming small shit and am looking for better.
We all want weight but I am also very passionate about the "art" of growing very pretty cannabis.

I feel pretty confident in saying that flowering 4 plants at a time like below and harvesting twice as often will yield similar but better quality
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Hybridway

Hybridway

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OneHitDone said:
Yes, if I would have had all 4 plant sites filled it would have been 1.24 g/w. Remember also this batch of plants had a major issue when I moved them going into flower, almost lost them. 4lb from a single 1000W HPS hung vert is totally doable but the veg is an ass grinder.
There was a shit load of biomass that is totally baggable by most standards but I don't like trimming small shit and am looking for better.
We all want weight but I am also very passionate about the "art" of growing very pretty cannabis.

I feel pretty confident in saying that flowering 4 plants at a time like below and harvesting twice as often will yield similar but better quality
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Wow! 4lbs. Off one 1000 watt bulb. Why aren't more people growing vertical?
Yeah, I had smaller buds in my Cloak last time but this time, I'm going to be using 32" blades w/ the same wattage giving me approx. 1/3 more density/intensity. So, I'm hoping for bigger buds this time around.
You gonna come by my new thread right?
 
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