Brown stipules, curling calyx, no white hairs ??

JimmiP said:

This is what I use in flower and I apply it at least once a week. If I feel the need more. I have used it up to five times in a week.
Before flowering and during early flowering I will tank mix spinosad and or BT with it.

If you ever end up with spider mites in flower this will help. It gets used every other day for a week then every third day for another week or until the problem is gone. Spray everything in, on and around the plant.. It has helped several people I know get to harvest and has the added benefit of helping to prevent and/or fight fungal infections too.

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Awesome, thanks fren. You have really saved me a lot of guess work and investigating, I really appreciate it.

So I did some scoping on the problem child and found two different types of bugs. One is a microscopic orange worms which I smooshed trying to get a pic and the other is a tiny gnat like bug that I did get a pic of. The gnats seems to burrow deep in the "flower" pretty tough to get to.

Couple questions if you don't mind. With the spinosad, should I apply only once and then discontinue/switch to the potassium bicarbonate mix since she is in flower? What are your opinions about BT throughout flowering stage to avoid bud rot from moth feces?

I was able to get Potassium Bicarbonate but only online so won't be here till the 31st. Should I do a milk wash for the PM to avoid it getting worse before then?

So onnnne last question while I'm at it, lol. Woke up this morning to my largest with some yellowing leaves and curling/burnt edges. I attached a pic. I know some yellowing and dropping is normal in this stage, but their appearance makes me want to double check this is "normal" dropping of lower leaves.

I peeped your grow in the Illinois thread, absolutely phenomenal btw!

Tangerine_ said:

If those are bigger than a spider mite you might be in luck. Russets are tiny. I think the only time you can see them with the naked eye is when there are thousands infesting the plant material.
Got my fingers crossed for ya.

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The moment of truth has arrived
Drum roll please

I have attached pics of 3 bugs found. Two I believe may be predatory mites, but the third is new to me as of today and moves like a worm. I included two close ups and a pic of leaf for size comparison (this little thing is super duper tiny) I don't think this little worm is any sort of good. But the black/gold/white one and the larger orange one with red eyes, I am hoping are good??

Any insight you can provide is greatly appreciated

After further investigation I found the black/silver/brown bug is called "orius laevigatus" which is biological control for thrips. I have also concluded thrip are my mystery worm like creature. However still trying to figure out what the attached bugger is. Not sure if it's a phytoseiulus persimilis, or not?? I did spray with Spinosad tonight, but for future inspection really need to know if these guys are good or bad.

jynzy420 said:

After further investigation I found the black/silver/brown bug is called "orius laevigatus" which is biological control for thrips. I have also concluded thrip are my mystery worm like creature. However still trying to figure out what the attached bugger is. Not sure if it's a phytoseiulus persimilis, or not?? I did spray with Spinosad tonight, but for future inspection really need to know if these guys are good or bad.

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Aphid, bad, kill.

jynzy420 said:

After further investigation I found the black/silver/brown bug is called "orius laevigatus" which is biological control for thrips. I have also concluded thrip are my mystery worm like creature. However still trying to figure out what the attached bugger is. Not sure if it's a phytoseiulus persimilis, or not?? I did spray with Spinosad tonight, but for future inspection really need to know if these guys are good or bad.

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It looks like thrips. They have various development stages and that likely what those are.

I could be an aphid, but I didnt see any tell tale "tail pipes" on its backend.

Grab some spinosad and you should be good.

JimmiP said:

Aphid, bad, kill.

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Pretty sure it's a milkweed aphid. So you can also feel good about helping the milkweed and monarch butterfly populations too.

Tangerine_ said:

It looks like thrips. They have various development stages and that likely what those are.

I could be an aphid, but I didnt see any tell tale "tail pipes" on its backend.

Grab some spinosad and you should be good.

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I think thats picture quality and age disguising it a little (the aphid). The others, definitely thrips.

JimmiP said:

Pretty sure it's a milkweed aphid. So you can also feel good about helping the milkweed and monarch butterfly populations too.

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Tangerine_ said:

It looks like thrips. They have various development stages and that likely what those are.

I could be an aphid, but I didnt see any tell tale "tail pipes" on its backend.

Grab some spinosad and you should be good.

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Ok so I looked further and think I figured it out. I'm really stoned and the black legs on the milkweed aphids just didn't add up with what I have been seeing. But an Orius Insidious nymph sure does

Already sprayed with the spinosad this evening thank you for the great suggestions and all your help!!

JimmiP said:

You have bug issues and powdery mildew starting. Also this is going to be a rough year for bud rot in the midwest (at least that's the feeling I have). So start spraying and antifungal like potassium bicarbonate and alcohol. It will also kill the bugs. I would also add some spinosad before it gets much further into flowering. Where approximately in the midwest?
Good luck friend!

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I'm assuming the best time of day to spray this mixture is early in the morning. But, for this first spray, do you think it would do more harm than good to spray this evening?? Delivery on the Potassium Bicarbonate is 6:30 tonight :/
I'm just worried to let it go any longer than I already have. Hope you are having a good day!

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I'm assuming the best time of day to spray this mixture is early in the morning. But, for this first spray, do you think it would do more harm than good to spray this evening?? Delivery on the Potassium Bicarbonate is 6:30 tonight :/
I'm just worried to let it go any longer than I already have. Hope you are having a good day!

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I like to spray in the evening.

JimmiP said:

I like to spray in the evening.

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Thanks!

JimmiP said:

You have bug issues and powdery mildew starting. Also this is going to be a rough year for bud rot in the midwest (at least that's the feeling I have). So start spraying and antifungal like potassium bicarbonate and alcohol. It will also kill the bugs. I would also add some spinosad before it gets much further into flowering. Where approximately in the midwest?
Good luck friend!

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I took up your advice and sprayed twice with the potassium bicarbonate/alcohol/water/Castile soap mix for the PM. I have noticed a few tan spots develope on the leaves. Is this something you have seen as a result of spraying?

jynzy420 said:

I took up your advice and sprayed twice with the potassium bicarbonate/alcohol/water/Castile soap mix for the PM. I have noticed a few tan spots develope on the leaves. Is this something you have seen as a result of spraying?

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Yes. If it's still hot it can singe the leaf edges. I have had that happen.
I should also say this is primarily a way to kill bugs in flower. It does help kill and prevent fungal infections but for the first time in years it seems to be falling short of the way it had preformed in the past. I took two plants down yesterday because I couldn’t keep up with the spread of botrytis. And this has been my go to thing for ever. Time to adapt...