Bubble v Dry Ice

I've been experimenting with concentrates, trying to see what I like and why, and I'm looking for general info on these methods so I'd love to hear about what the pros and cons are, specifically in relation to each other. Especially if you've done both methods. I know that often there are no right answers and it will come down to preferences. I'm not averse to lively debate, but ffs let's not have pissing matches over trivialities, pls and ty.

So my take is that compared to dry ice, bubble is messy and cold and time consuming, there are extra steps needed to prepare the materials needed (making real ice cubes) as well as to process it to a final stage product. Additionally I've seen several of the youtubes bashing bubble for yeild v dry ice with the same material being processed (naturally material quality is factor one) It's also very popular. Is the end product so much superior to justify these things?

I have the idea that dry ice is a more streamlined process, and that either way I go I could winterize whatever I get at the end if I'm not happy with it for some reason, or even with the intent to do that anyway, as I really like the absolute end product.

With either method would it be that important to separate the different grades if I'm planning on winterizing anyway? Should I be concerned with using fancy vacuum funnels with frit filters if for example I was just shaking the hell out of a dry ice setup with a 220 mesh into one big pile and didn't concern myself with making piles? I'm not saying I would necessarily. I imagine probably making one pile for winterizing and letting it be whatever shade of green, then making another low grade piles to decarb and make medibles with. Or maybe I'm outta my cotton pickin mind. Guess that's what I'm here for eh?

Thanks for reading. Opinions are appreciated, naturally, but if you're willing to share your practical experiences with any or all aspects, I would be especially grateful.

Love
Squish

Dry ice kief - schwagg - full of plant material and trichome stalks - never melts at all.


Bubble - trichomes heads only - full melt.

Why the hell would you winterize either. That removes terpenes.


I think you are confusing dry Ice chambers and winterizing with making bho not bubble or dry ice kief.

If that's what you are after. Get a closed loop system, distiller and a vacuum oven.

Thanks for the response.

I reckon that a certain amount of either product would be full melt, but not all of either. Right? Or have I missed something about the different micron screens and the different grades or number of stars. (in my exp, even "6 star" bubble leaves a bunch of nasty shit behind and that the term "full melt" is relative)

So why the hell does anyone, ever winterize anyway? I was quite happy with the flavor and effects of my experiments. I liked the consistency and appearance as well.

Do people not regularly pack blasting tubes full of kief or whatever to further refine it? I don't personally prefer butane for a variety of reasons, and was thinking the alcohol might work in the same regard.

I don't understand what you're saying that I am confusing . . . can you clarify?

If anyone has used ethanol/iso with kief, I'd love your input

S

My 45, 73 , 90, 120 bubble are all full melt. The other screens I turn into rosin.


If you don't want to blast. Then winterizing is irrelevant.

Winterize is to dewax. But it removes terpenes. So some people when they blast they use a dry ice chamber on their closed loop instead of winterizing.


People blast to remove trichomes from plant material. Not add kief.


There are different methods of extracts

There's

Bho
Pho
Co2
Terpene blasting
Bubble hash / ice water hash - ice wax
Bubble hash / ice water hash - pressed hash.
Dry sift
Hand hash

Production of bho and pho is illegal and an aggravated felony in several med states.


Btw if it's not full melt it not 6 star.

6 star is the very best.
5 star is still full melt but not as good as 6
4 star is 3/4 melt
3 star is half melt
2 star is no melt
1 star is just garbage.

Ah thanks for the info. Good stuff. Now I have more questions!

In no particular order...
So the four screen sizes mentioned are all either five or six star? And the rosin you make out of the remainder, isn't that simply a heat extraction from that lesser material that could also be affected with solvents? To an extent it sounds like what would be removed in the winterization process is at least somewhat represented by whatever you discard there? Even if some terps were also lost, tho perhaps the heated rosin has terp loss as well . . .

I would've sworn I saw somewhere in these forums a photo of a glass tube full of different types of hash including kief and at the end of the list "some trim". I assumed this was to further refine it all, and possibly to blend the different flavors and consistencies. Am I wrong to think that dry ice hash could be dissolved into an alcohol solution in order to remove unwanted impurities, as well as winterizing?

Couple things of note: I personally would winterize to remove the waxes etc in pursuit of aggravating asthma as little as possible. Dabbing once is better than smoking a whole bowl of flowers, but if I can remove the extra bs from my concentrates, all the better. Also while I'm not averse to investing some on simpler equipment like a buchner (sp?) funnel, I'm not looking to invest in a closed loop situation. And while I have nothing against bho on any level, I didn't really want to deal with boiling away thousands of ml of butane even before it was illegaler as frick. It smells terrible, and y'now - lungs. Besides, I didn't have vac purge tech before that fateful date, making it moot to me anyhow.

On that note, most ppl say "removing trichs from plant material" but it seems like a misnomer because they aren't being removed whole, but rather being dissolved into a butane solution that washes away from the plant material? err anyway

Even though I'm leaning toward getting a Trimwasher 9000 it still seems like refining kief would be a viable way of making concentrates. qwiso and qwet has a following that seems as legit as anything else, to me anyhow. I can't be the first guy to think of this, and as of yet I really don't see anything concrete as to why one wouldn't or couldn't or shouldn't do that.

Speaking of trimwashers, what is your take on that? Do you use one? Sounds like you're probably not drilling or paddling with wooden oars in your buckets, but I wouldn't presume to know, so whatever guidance you may have there would be awesome.

S

Rosin using temps around 250 degress or less pressing hash, dry sift, ice wax or kief or flowers for 5 seconds at a time.

I use all 8 bags. And use a washing machine.

Those 4 bags I mentioned have the best quality.

The rest can be used for rosin or edibles.

Butane does scramble the trichome heads and terpenes. So you don't have the same terpene profiles as rosin, ice water hash or dry sift. No whole heads either.

If you want to refine kief. The best way is with dry sift screens to get it down to 99 heads. If making dry sift like water hash you need to be in a cold environment and very low to no humidity. As close to 55 degrees as you can get. Heat and humidity oxidize and degrade the trichome heads.

Appreciate it. I've been trying different things and seeing what I like and why. Made some dry ice stuff. Kept the best and rosin'd some of the lesser stuff. I like the result, but I would refine my process if I were to continue that, as its kind of a pain. Despite being warned against a low yield with bubble, all of the combined result however seemed comparable to the dry sans the cruddy plant matter hassle. I'm still leaning toward the bubble situation since I don't really care for bubble hash dabs . . . it seems waxy and harsh to me. Whatever the case I'm learning and having fun.