Bubblelicious, New York Power Diesel, and Super Skunk in DWC

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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
I know it's frustrating, but your next crop should be better. I have faith in you... but I also have a good home ready and waiting for all your equipment ;):leaf:
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I actually find it more comical than frustrating, in all honesty - but I do get to talk of multiples of my last harvest when thinking of goals for this one.

Will be "content" with 4x my last harvest, but won't be "happy" unless I hit 6x (30 ounces).

And if I hit 4.9 ounces this run, you can have my three CO2 tanks and my regulator...........you're gonna need them with that setup you're working on;-)

BTW, I'm in the "swimming pool" thread talking about the things I'm not allowed to talk about in this one :eyesmoke: - have an entirely new idea, will make a video tomorrow to explain where I'm coming from and post it here if anyone wants to see it.
 
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DaGambler

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LOtta durn work taking all those clones ... i look forward to only having to take 48 these days rather than the 200+ i tried on a couple runs. I look forward to your results however. How you gonna get those clones apart - it looks like just a single layer of rockwool rather than rockwool cubes ? I envy your xxxl magnum.
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DaGambler said:
LOtta durn work taking all those clones ... i look forward to only having to take 48 these days rather than the 200+ i tried on a couple runs. I look forward to your results however. How you gonna get those clones apart - it looks like just a single layer of rockwool rather than rockwool cubes ? I envy your xxxl magnum.
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Yeah, taking the clones can get a little tedious, but a few hours every couple of months isn't that big of a deal - BTW, just checked on them, and the clones are looking super healthy - none of the yellowing that plagued me last run :clap:

Referencing the "practice", I'm gonna need 350-400 clones every couple of months for my newest idea:

http://www.hhydro.com/RotoGro-312-Rotating-Garden.html

Just gonna need to switch a circuit to 240V, and than it's just plug and play.

And the rockwool is a sheet of 98 cubes, but they're inverted pyramids, so the roots won't intermingle between the different cubes - below is a pic from my first run, but it shows the shape of them pretty well:

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Also, I know I'm not supposed to talk about it, but since this materially changes my plans, I might as well:

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Fucked if I know how I didn't notice that vent before, but since it's now possible to vent to the outside, I'm not gonna need a mini-split (looked up the installation costs, and they're unreal - like $4K just for the install) and can now run a large (14K BTU) portable AC in there (also gonna have a 1/2 HP chiller in the attic that cools a reservoir in the garage).

Obviously don't have to empty out the garage, so now I'm not sure if I'm gonna flower out the veg tent anymore (need to think).

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I'm trying to move ahead with running a natural gas line to the garage - the attached pics at the bottom are what it looked like when I pulled the stove off of the wall - went to Home Depot yesterday (brought the camera with me), and the guy at the store was totally fucking clueless as to how to help me.
 

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Integra21

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Jeeze bob, that rotoGrow is rediculous. Do you know what the actual space is between the lamps and the plant trays. Seeps pretty small for mj and 100w lights. But Im just guessin from the pics. Good that you have a vent, and the gas line looks like you might be able to tap into it, but I have never messed with gas, so I cant really help there.
 
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Integra21 said:
Jeeze bob, that rotoGrow is rediculous. Do you know what the actual space is between the lamps and the plant trays. Seeps pretty small for mj and 100w lights. But Im just guessin from the pics. Good that you have a vent, and the gas line looks like you might be able to tap into it, but I have never messed with gas, so I cant really help there.
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Yeah, the space is ~20" from the top of the rockwool cube to the cooltube, so basically 12" is the perfect finishing size for them.

Lucky for me, my current grow is with large numbers of small plants where I'm shooting for ~12" finishing height ;-)

The system's pricy as fuck, but the efficiency it provides is pricelss, IMO - would more than pay for itself after one harvest.

Plus, since I doubt I could move >4 pounds every couple of months, I could either just not use it constantly and only run a few harvests a year, or I could take any amount over 4lbs. and make copious amounts of hash and kief with it.

Plus I'm a flamboyant kinda guy and I like having toys other people don't have (maybe it's an insecurity thing?) :bigjoint:
 
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the only reason that concerns me is you need about that much clearance from a 100w light. From what I've read you need 12-24" of distance from the lights to the plants, which would mean your plants could only be 2-6 inches tall. But obviously, for that price, maybe they thought of that. Just throwing my concerns out there.
 
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Bob Smith

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Integra21 said:
the only reason that concerns me is you need about that much clearance from a 100w light. From what I've read you need 12-24" of distance from the lights to the plants, which would mean your plants could only be 2-6 inches tall. But obviously, for that price, maybe they thought of that. Just throwing my concerns out there.
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Yeah, there's a difference between height alllowances for open-bulbed vs. reflectors - those numbers you're quoting are for large bulbs in reflectors.

This link has some sick pics........

http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416

Wanna be spectacular? Check this thing out Bob. It's too big for your place, but we can always dream. Watch the video of this thing in action. LOL
[URL="http://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=1521"]http://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=1521[/URL]
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LMAO.............now that might be a touch of overkill for some personal smoke ;-)
 
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Integra21

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Bob Smith said:
Yeah, there's a difference between height alllowances for open-bulbed vs. reflectors - those numbers you're quoting are for large bulbs in reflectors.

This link has some sick pics........

http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416



LMAO.............now that might be a touch of overkill for some personal smoke ;-)
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Taht's rediculous bob. I could have never imagined it would work that well. Seems like it would take a lot of time to set that up properly, but thats just a guess. That was really sick. Thanks for the link.
 
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Bob Smith

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Integra21 said:
Taht's rediculous bob. I could have never imagined it would work that well. Seems like it would take a lot of time to set that up properly, but thats just a guess. That was really sick. Thanks for the link.
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Yeah, it's hard to find documented journals on the net (for obvious reasons), but based on what I hear from respected growers, these things are the truth.

This upcoming grow with the Bubblelicous will be a nice test run for that, as I'm basically running half of that machine, but obviously in a flat grow.

And the website says that it takes one hour to set it up (so that's about a month for me :roll:).

Gonna spend a couple to a few grand for an upgrade anyways if I don't go vertical/tubular, so it's only an incremental couple/few thousand extra to get this toy.
 
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DaGambler

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you say its hard to find journals on these things but they are out there ... and the ones i have read generally end the same way, with the grower being underwhelmed with their success.

unless ur just balls-2-the-wall about not using electricity ... the kind of shit that i could do with 5500.00 dollars would blow this things harvest out of the water. Ur money could be spent in much, much better ways.

and i'm gonna go way out on a limb here and just bring this up one last time and say, "You need to start prioritizing your freedom and stop saying 'fuck plant numbers' ..." 'cuz i'm not sure ur taking this chart seriously:


Federal Cultivation Penalties:
Less than 50 kg - 5 years
50 to 100 kg - up to 20 years
100 to 1,000 kg - 5 - 40 years
1000 kg or more - 10 years - life
with sale to a minor - doubles penalty
Within 1,000 feet of a school - doubles penalty
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1 PLANT ='s 1 kg in the eyes of the law

...so you grow up to 49 plants you could spend up to 5 years in jail.

... you grow 50-99 plants you could spend up to 20 years in jail.

But the Federal Government is likely to leave you alone until you get to this stage:

... you grow 100 plants or more (up to 999) and the presiding judge will have no choice but to sentence you to -between- 5 and 40 years behind bars.

... you grow 1000 plants or more and the judge must sentence you to between 10 years and life. Mandatory minimum sentences are no joke, brother. There's good reason to try to stay below 100 plants. I'm guilty of not always having done so myself... but it's something that can't be thought about too much, so long as ur still sleeping in your own bed and not on a county (or federal) cot.

I know of at least 3 people on RIU that have been raided in the last 3 months. "Tighten up your game, people." This shit ain't no joke.
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DaGambler said:
you say its hard to find journals on these things but they are out there ... and the ones i have read generally end the same way, with the grower being underwhelmed with their success.

unless ur just balls-2-the-wall about not using electricity ... the kind of shit that i could do with 5500.00 dollars would blow this things harvest out of the water. Ur money could be spent in much, much better ways.

and i'm gonna go way out on a limb here and just bring this up one last time and say, "You need to start prioritizing your freedom and stop saying 'fuck plant numbers' ..." 'cuz i'm not sure ur taking this chart seriously:


Federal Cultivation Penalties:
Less than 50 kg - 5 years
50 to 100 kg - up to 20 years
100 to 1,000 kg - 5 - 40 years
1000 kg or more - 10 years - life
with sale to a minor - doubles penalty
Within 1,000 feet of a school - doubles penalty
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1 PLANT ='s 1 kg in the eyes of the law

...so you grow up to 49 plants you could spend up to 5 years in jail.

... you grow 50-99 plants you could spend up to 20 years in jail.

But the Federal Government is likely to leave you alone until you get to this stage:

... you grow 100 plants or more (up to 999) and the presiding judge will have no choice but to sentence you to -between- 5 and 40 years behind bars.

... you grow 1000 plants or more and the judge must sentence you to between 10 years and life. Mandatory minimum sentences are no joke, brother. There's good reason to try to stay below 100 plants. I'm guilty of not always having done so myself... but it's something that can't be thought about too much, so long as ur still sleeping in your own bed and not on a county (or federal) cot.

I know of at least 3 people on RIU that have been raided in the last 3 months. "Tighten up your game, people." This shit ain't no joke.
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Totally agreed about staying low on plant numbers being the best way to go, but unfortunately any scenario that I can conceive of has me greater than 100 plants :?

That being said, so long as I make my grow op as secure as can be and tell no one about it (there are two people in the "real" world who know of my fictional grow, and that's me and my girl, who I live with), I like my chances.

Fully agree with you that my "fuck plant counts" stance isn't the best, but since I'm in a medical state and I can workout an arrangement with a dispensary to be legal, it's not something I'd worry too much about.

Also, this whole thread and any possible ideas are purely figments of my imagination, so it's kinda a moot point ;-)

Long story short, my "friend" is looking to guarantee at least 4lbs. every two months (even with a bad harvest) with the smallest electrical draw possible as well as minimal daily maintenance (preferably a few minutes every other day); the most efficient way to get that done is a vertical/cylindrical grow with high plant counts and small plants, as far as he knows.

Of course, my friend is never set in stone on anything, and if he can figure out a reasonable balance that allows him low electrical draw (preferably 2500 watts or less for flowering, and 600 or less for vegging/cloning) and the guaranteed 2lbs. a month whilst keeping him under 100 plants, he's all ears :lol:

It looks like he's also gonna need it all too be easily fit-able in a 10X15 footprint, so that's just one more limiting factor.

In all honesty, I do appreciate the "speeding ticket" (as we call it in poker) - sometimes my friend does feel like he's above the law, and he forgets that there are consequences to his actions, so your reminders are good for him to heed.
 
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DaGambler

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Sorry, Bob ... i'll say any damn thing that pops into my head when i've got a migraine headache. :wall: . ;-)

So this is what i'm working out ... ur okay burning 2600 watts in flower (two 1k HPS and a 600 HPS) and up to 600 watts or less for clone / veg. (six 4' two bulb flourescent fixtures - clones are taken the day before flipping to flower for a slow growing, but compact, clone / veg room that is ready just when ur harvesting the last batch. You've got 12" of grow space under the flouros so just cut them back and bush them more if u start running out of space before you are ready for them.) All this in a 10'x15' footprint. Just make one footprint OoO with the HPS bulbs over a 4' by 8' area. Ur saying you want two pounds a month... 4 lbs. every 60 days... Change ur timeline a tad and shoot for like every 70 days you have a harvest. 63 days from day 1 of flowering ... you start to harvest and you manage to not only finish harvesting but also transplant the next batch from the clone/veg room in just 7 days.... so it takes 70 days to flip a crop. Can you get 4lbs. off that crop in 70 days ? Without co2, it would be tight - but possible. But i can tell you that you deffinitely aren't going to pull 4 lbs. off one of those roto-growers.

Now, if you manage to incorporate passive air flow, fresh air flow, etc. such that no a.c. needs to be used (i'm running 7k+ w/o so it can be done) ... then you could drop a bit more on the lights... Run 4k 1000w HPS lamps (over a 10' x 10' area) and 9 4' flourescent 2 bulb fixtures on shelving, 3 fixtures per shelf. This you would quite easily pull 4 lbs. from every 70 days. With only 48 plants in the flower room. And 48-51 clones.

regards,
DaGambler
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Bob Smith

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DaGambler said:
Sorry, Bob ... i'll say any damn thing that pops into my head when i've got a migraine headache. :wall: . ;-)

So this is what i'm working out ... ur okay burning 2600 watts in flower (two 1k HPS and a 600 HPS) and up to 600 watts or less for clone / veg. (six 4' two bulb flourescent fixtures - clones are taken the day before flipping to flower for a slow growing, but compact, clone / veg room that is ready just when ur harvesting the last batch. You've got 12" of grow space under the flouros so just cut them back and bush them more if u start running out of space before you are ready for them.) All this in a 10'x15' footprint. Just make one footprint OoO with the HPS bulbs over a 4' by 8' area. Ur saying you want two pounds a month... 4 lbs. every 60 days... Change ur timeline a tad and shoot for like every 70 days you have a harvest. 63 days from day 1 of flowering ... you start to harvest and you manage to not only finish harvesting but also transplant the next batch from the clone/veg room in just 7 days.... so it takes 70 days to flip a crop. Can you get 4lbs. off that crop in 70 days ? Without co2, it would be tight - but possible. But i can tell you that you deffinitely aren't going to pull 4 lbs. off one of those roto-growers.

Now, if you manage to incorporate passive air flow, fresh air flow, etc. such that no a.c. needs to be used (i'm running 7k+ w/o so it can be done) ... then you could drop a bit more on the lights... Run 4k 1000w HPS lamps (over a 10' x 10' area) and 9 4' flourescent 2 bulb fixtures on shelving, 3 fixtures per shelf. This you would quite easily pull 4 lbs. from every 70 days. With only 48 plants in the flower room. And 48-51 clones.

regards,
DaGambler
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Hey, no worries about saying what's on your mind - that's what we're all here for, to hear differing opinions/views and to hopefully learn a thing or two :lol:

If I was gonna use ~2500 watts, I'd most likely do an Al B. Fuct impersonation, but run topped 4 cola plants at 1/sf under 4 600s over 3x3 tables; this would keep my plant count well under 100, but I fucking hate vegging, which I'd need to do.

Anyhow, there are lots of ways to skin a cat, and I've been thinking them over quite a bit in my head, including but not limited to scenarios that try to reduce my time >99 plants as much as possible (for instance, an 84 site vert grow with a few moms, which would keep me <99 for all but the final week or two before harvest, when I'd cut new clones).

Anyways, got my new 4" pots delivered, so here's a couple of pics to show the surprising size discrepancy between them and the 3.5" I was planning on using:

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As you can see, the 4" pot has 60% more volume for roots, which is a good thing :bigjoint:

Also, since I'm not going to have a mini-split installed and am going to figure out another way to cool the garage, I'm removing my self-imposed ban on talking about renovations or my new growroom design.

Have the goodwill truck coming around on Thursday, so I'm gonna get rid of most of the leftover junk taking up space in there, and when that's gone, I'm gonna snap some pictures of some things I've found and some ideas I have (will prolly do a short video to explain it better).

Long story short, gonna build a ~10x15 insulated room in there (totally sealed, for now), and gonna cool it with a 24K BTU window AC (a few hundred for a window vs. $4K for a portable of that size).

Gonna have either an 8" or 10" centrifugal for exhaust and either a 4" or 6" for intake through this vent:

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There's a lot more, but I'll spare you all, for now............so first things first, who the fuck knows anything about builing an insulated room?

Have done a ton of searching online and am not finding what I want.........not gonna do a Bob Vila special, just want a structure that won't collapse and is somewhat insulated as cheaply and as easily as possible.

Would love to just buy an insulated shed and put it in there, but the garage door rails are only about 7' high, which is a pain in the ass - anyone know how hard it'd be to remove them temporarily and still keep the garage door up? I guess you'd need pictures of it to know, huh? :roll:

Taking some now............
 
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Bob Smith said:
Hey, no worries about saying what's on your mind - that's what we're all here for, to hear differing opinions/views and to hopefully learn a thing or two :lol:

If I was gonna use ~2500 watts, I'd most likely do an Al B. Fuct impersonation, but run topped 4 cola plants at 1/sf under 4 600s over 3x3 tables; this would keep my plant count well under 100, but I fucking hate vegging, which I'd need to do.

Anyhow, there are lots of ways to skin a cat, and I've been thinking them over quite a bit in my head, including but not limited to scenarios that try to reduce my time >99 plants as much as possible (for instance, an 84 site vert grow with a few moms, which would keep me <99 for all but the final week or two before harvest, when I'd cut new clones).

Anyways, got my new 4" pots delivered, so here's a couple of pics to show the surprising size discrepancy between them and the 3.5" I was planning on using:

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As you can see, the 4" pot has 60% more volume for roots, which is a good thing :bigjoint:

Also, since I'm not going to have a mini-split installed and am going to figure out another way to cool the garage, I'm removing my self-imposed ban on talking about renovations or my new growroom design.

Have the goodwill truck coming around on Thursday, so I'm gonna get rid of most of the leftover junk taking up space in there, and when that's gone, I'm gonna snap some pictures of some things I've found and some ideas I have (will prolly do a short video to explain it better).

Long story short, gonna build a ~10x15 insulated room in there (totally sealed, for now), and gonna cool it with a 24K BTU window AC (a few hundred for a window vs. $4K for a portable of that size).

Gonna have either an 8" or 10" centrifugal for exhaust and either a 4" or 6" for intake through this vent:

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There's a lot more, but I'll spare you all, for now............so first things first, who the fuck knows anything about builing an insulated room?

Have done a ton of searching online and am not finding what I want.........not gonna do a Bob Vila special, just want a structure that won't collapse and is somewhat insulated as cheaply and as easily as possible.

Would love to just buy an insulated shed and put it in there, but the garage door rails are only about 7' high, which is a pain in the ass - anyone know how hard it'd be to remove them temporarily and still keep the garage door up? I guess you'd need pictures of it to know, huh? :roll:

Taking some now............
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I built a 6x12 inner room. I was going to get a tent then was going to....... It was easier and cheaper to just build with 2x4's, sheetrock and paint so that's what I did (well, really I used some panda film I had laying around) but would have painted if I didn't. If I were to go as large as you want I would definitely frame it out properly. You have a lot invested inside and things you need to support. You don't want it to collapse. I know of a friend who's tent collapsed recently thankfully he was at the last week of flower AND it didn't start a fire. It was his second or third round in the tent and didn't change anything. Just the cheap plastic connectors failed. He did get a cheap tent and is now paying for it. Back on track. Depending on how insulated you want it. You can build it with 2x4's and sheetrock and insulate the inner part of the walls. You can off-set the walls too, it makes them thicker allowing for more insulation and it also makes it more sound proof. The nice thing about it is it is a custom build so you support the structure where you need it to support A/C's , fans and the like.

Edit: You can construct the walls independently and bolt them together like a kit. That way you can take it apart easily too.
 
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For the quick responses, guys - did you one better from pics and shot a short video, trying to give you guys some feel for what it's like in that crowded hellhole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cvFB_jEmDU

I guess if I'm gonna build it, might as well do it right, huh?

The two biggest issues that I foresee are:

1) The garage door rails, although I guess I could "live" with only ~7' of vertical height.

2) The fact that the floor in the garage is an absolute joke in terms of being flat - cracked concrete that has peaks and valleys.

Anyhow, you guys will get a better idea when you see this video which should be uploaded within five minutes - already have two walls and large 2x8 crossbeams which basically frame out the ceiling, so.............

Also, here's some pics of the concrete base which sticks away from the wall an inch or two and runs about 1.5' up from the floor on each wall - this could also be a pain, as I wanted to attach studs to the side wall's studs to help support the structure:

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Again, you forgot to throw out a few "Knarley"s ;)

I would just notch out the new wall for those rails. They won't be a big deal.

Infact, why not just build a wall across by the entrance door and use the whole back area? Then you wouldn't even need to mess with the rails. Cover the inside of the garage door and walls with some panda film and call it done?
 
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Bob Smith

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Again, you forgot to throw out a few "Knarley"s ;)

I would just notch out the new wall for those rails. They won't be a big deal.

Infact, why not just build a wall across by the entrance door and use the whole back area? Then you wouldn't even need to mess with the rails. Cover the inside of the garage door and walls with some panda film and call it done?
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That's actually the way I was leaning, but that doesn't allow me to use a big ole window AC, which means I'd have to drop several thousand on a 24KBTU portable, and still wouldn't be sure that it worked well once temps got hot.

Unless, of course, there's a method for providing for exhaust and intake for a large unit like that through that vent somehow.

BTW, this was the insulation I was planning on using:

http://www.insulation4less.com/Insulation4lessProduct-1-Prodex-Total-48-Inch.aspx
 
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