Bud Blood Experiences

Uncle Ben

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VERY interesting to me......

From AN's website....

http://www.advancednutrients.com/tech_info/bud_blood_tech_info.html

"Our Bud Blood formula contains all the useful elements of Rambridge's Dry Flower Products Blossom Blood, except that our price is lower than theirs and we have instituted the highest level of manufacturing standards"

From Rambridge's website....

http://www.rambridge.com/products/garden/blossom/blossom.html

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Developed for stabilization and floral production in hydroponic applications,.......... [/FONT]​
Typical bullshit from AN. No shame from those cons.

I like the comment on the Rambridge site, "Beware of counterfeiters!" Oh the irony of it all, haha! They won't spec it out for fear of folks finding out what frauds and shysters they are.
 

laserbrn

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Very nice. Are the plants clones from a common mom? Or two seed plants?
Just wondering how much stock to take in the comparison.
It's hard to say because those plants both look to me like they didn't produce so well. The flowers are big, but I hate when they come out with that "look". Like they had WAY too much nitrogen for way too long. And unless all else was the exact same for the exact same period, it's not a fair comparison.
 

Uncle Ben

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Smoke and mirrors, need a full plant shot top to bottom. Seriously cowboylogic, if you have any university field trials, I'd like to see it. This is not a fair comparison.
 

cowboylogic

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Smoke and mirrors, need a full plant shot top to bottom. Seriously cowboylogic, if you have any university field trials, I'd like to see it. This is not a fair comparison.
Really UB, did you read what I asked? Are these from clones or seeds? Read my post again.
 

cowboylogic

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It's hard to say because those plants both look to me like they didn't produce so well. The flowers are big, but I hate when they come out with that "look". Like they had WAY too much nitrogen for way too long. And unless all else was the exact same for the exact same period, it's not a fair comparison.
I agree Laz. Thats why I wondering about the gentics of the 2 plants. A full pic of the plants would help also. Like UB saud.
 

jamboss

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I'm using a full setup of AN on the 3part mix I think I use about 12nutes for every feeding..

I'm very impressed with the results of everything.. Next time Im going to throw Voodoo Juice in the mix as well.. The downside is I have about $350 worth of nutrients.. Luckily I should get 2 grows out of them.. Next time though Im going to simply things a bit so I don't have to spend so long for feedings..
12 nutes every feeding, damnnnn.
 

eDude

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:roll: Ok, let's go over a few things.

1. Advanced did not invent this. This has been around for a long time.
2. This product is made by several companies.
3. This is a 'mix' of two things and that's all.

We all know that pH is important and we've all see the pH availability charts. We'll others did.

We all know that P and K boosters (when done correctly) increase flower size and numbers.

What if you were able to control your pH AND get a big P K boost? That's exactly what's going on. The 'red' in the mix is a pH buffer that tries to hold your pH while providing a healthy dose of P and K. This is thought to quicken the flowing response causing the plant to get into flowering faster.

Ever hear of a company called Rambridge? They were the first 'blood' but with out the P and K so you'd just add the blood to whatever PK booster you wanted to.

http://www.rambridge.com/products/garden/blossom/blossom.aspx

BLOSSOM BLOOD

Selective pH Control Water Treatment


The addition of Blossom Blood to a nutrient reservoir during the flowering stage of a plant will promote fuller buds and flowers utilizing selective pH control.


Developed for stabilization and floral production in hydroponic applications, Blossom Blood may also be used in soilless growing mediums. Blossom Blood is a specific type of pH buffer salt and is compatible with all quality nutrients.
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I suspect it's a potassium biphthalate buffer.
 

Uncle Ben

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The only thing that's been "invented" is more hype and bullshit from another hydro snake oil company out to make it rich off of gullible noobs.

Dime a dozen.......

Cannabis is pH tolerant. Never had a problem and I never check my pH.

P and K boosters DO NOT "increase flower size and numbers". They often "decrease increase flower size and numbers" because they induce leaf necrosis.
 

eDude

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The only thing that's been "invented" is more hype and bullshit from another hydro snake oil company out to make it rich off of gullible noobs.

Dime a dozen.......

Cannabis is pH tolerant. Never had a problem and I never check my pH.

P and K boosters DO NOT "increase flower size and numbers". They often "decrease increase flower size and numbers" because they induce leaf necrosis.

You left out the 'went done right' part. Everything, when done wrong is, wrong. Also, you should know that it's a LACK of those nutrients in the plant that causes necrosis. You should also know that it's directly tied to Calcium and Magnesium. This has been proven over and over again and it common knowledge to anyone that's studied horticulture for any amount of time.

Do you have any studies, reports, or anything that confirm your hypothesis that P and K is not needed?

Here ya go ben.. this is from a kids education website. Might be your speed.

http://www.ncagr.gov/cyber/kidswrld/plant/nutrient.htm But, I'm sure they've been drinking the AN koolaid too huh? :lol:

The primary nutrients are nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K). These major nutrients usually are lacking from the soil first because plants use large amounts for their growth and survival.

Soil pH (a measure of the acidity or alkalinity of the soil)

Soil pH is one of the most important soil properties that affects the availability of nutrients.

Macronutrients tend to be less available in soils with low pH.
Micronutrients tend to be less available in soils with high pH.
Lime can be added to the soil to make it less sour (acid) and also supplies calcium and magnesium for plants to use. Lime also raises the pH to the desired range of 6.0 to 6.5.
In this pH range, nutrients are more readily available to plants, and microbial populations in the soil increase. Microbes convert nitrogen and sulfur to forms that plants can use. Lime also enhances the physical properties of the soil that promote water and air movement.
 

eDude

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How about something from a Ph.D. ?? This guy on the AN payroll too?

Potassium, A key Nutrient for Plant Growth by James McAfee , Ph.D.

This issue discusses the importance of potassium as a key plant nutrient and problems
associated with excess and/or deficiencies of potassium in the plant. Many plant
physiologists consider potassium second only to nitrogen in importance for plant growth.
Potassium is second to nitrogen in plant tissue levels with ranges of 1 to 3% by weight.
As a trivia, potassium is the only essential plant nutrient that is not a constituent of any
plant part. Potassium is a key nutrient in the plants tolerance to stresses such as cold/hot
temperatures, drought, wear and pest problems. Potassium acts as catalysts for many of
the enzymatic processes in the plant that are necessary for plant growth to take place.
Another key role of potassium is the regulation of water use in the plant
(osmoregulation). This osmoregulation process affects water transport in the xylem,
maintains high daily cell turgor pressure which affects wear tolerance, affects cell
elongation for growth and most importantly it regulates the opening and closing of the
stomates which affect transpirational cooling and carbon dioxide uptake for
photosynthesis.

Unless truly deficiency occurs, potassium has very little effect on turfgrass quality such
as color and density. However, once potassium deficiency occurs, it can have a dramatic
affect on the plants ability to survive and function during stress periods such as high
temperatures, drought and wear. Initial potassium deficiency shows up as yellowing of
older leaf blades, lower leaf blades, which is then followed by dieback of the leaf tip and
scorching of leaf margins as the deficiency problem becomes worse. Once these
conditions occur, wear injury for the turf plants will increase significantly. Factors which
can lead to potassium deficiency include: leaching in sandy soils or soils with low CEC
values, sites being irrigated with water that is high in sodium and where high rates of
calcium and magnesium or added through the irrigation water or through the fertilization
program.


There are four different sources of potassium in the soil. The largest soil component of
potassium, 90 to 98%, is the soil minerals such as feldspar and mica. Very little of this
potassium source is available for plant use. The second soil potassium source is the
nonexchangeable potassium, 1 to lo%, and is associated with the 2: 1 clay minerals. The
nonexchangeable potassium source acts as a reserve source of potassium in the soil. The
third soil potassium source, 1 to 2%, is called the exchangeable or readily available
potassium and is found on the cation exchange sites or in the soil solution. The soil
solution potassium is readily taken up by the plants root system and is then replaced by
the potassium on the exchange sites. A fourth source of potassium in the soil is the
potassium contained in organic matter and within the soil microbial population. This soil
source of potassium provides very little of the potassium needed for plant growth.
Potassium uptake is most rapid on warm, moist soils that are well aerated and have a
slightly acidic to neutral pH. As soil temperature increases, plant metabolic activity
increases which increases root growth and root activity. Warmer soil temperatures
also increase the diffusion rate of potassium in the soil solution which increases potassium
uptake by the root system. Excess soil moisture can lower soil oxygen levels which in
turn decrease the respiration rate for the plants root system and thus lowers potassium
uptake. Also, excess water can increase the amount of leaching of potassium, particularly
in sandy soils. In alkaline soils, increased levels of other cations such as calcium,
potassium and sodium can affect the availability of potassium in the soil. The calcium
and magnesium cations can displace the potassium from the exchange sites on the clay
particles and sodium competes with potassium for uptake by the plants root system.
Application of potassium fertilizer will be determined by factors such as soil potassium
level, soil type, time of the year and use activity for the site. As with any nutrient,
potassium programs should be based on soil test results.

1. Sandy soils or soils with low cation exchange capacity (CEC), will require light
frequent applications of potassium fertilizer as opposed to clay type soils with high to
very high levels of potassium. Soils with high levels of other cations such as calcium,
magnesium or sodium will also probably require more frequent, light applications of
potassium. When applications of amendments and/or fertilizers containing high rates
of calcium or magnesium are used, a follow up application of potassium should be
made to the site since these cations can displace potassium from the soil exchange
sites.

2. As use of the site increases, so should the amount of potassium fertilization. During
periods of heavy use, apply light, frequent applications of potassium to the soil.

3. Spring and fall is the most important time of the year to make potassium fertilizer
applications. In the spring, turfgrass plants are often developing a entirely new root
system. Potassium is a key nutrient in the development of new root growth. In the
fall, plant tissue levels of potassium are very critical in preparing the plants for winter
survival. Low plant tissue levels in the fall to early winter months can dramatically
increase the potential for winter injury to turfgrass plants.

In summary, potassium is a key essential plant nutrient. Generally, clay soils in Texas
contain more than adequate potassium to meet the turfgrass needs for home lawns and
commercial properties. However, for sports fields and golf courses with increased
activity and wear, it may be necessary to apply additional potassium in the fertilizer
program to insure that turfgrass plants are obtaining adequate potassium uptake for
healthy plant growth
Let's not forget the granddaddy of them all... Alaska morbloom.. 0-10-10.. SNAKE OIL!!!! LOL O wait you mean that was before AN?? Fucking Lilly Miller assholes!!!!

Too fucking funny!!!
 

eDude

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Do you plan to run some experiments on the wheel or to see of the earth is flat? People have been using paclobutrazol for a long long time and no one has questioned it's effectiveness or that it's only for ornamental plants.
 

Uncle Ben

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Do you plan to run some experiments on the wheel or to see of the earth is flat? People have been using paclobutrazol for a long long time and no one has questioned it's effectiveness or that it's only for ornamental plants.
Let's see your pix, or others for that matter detailing the application and results. Come on smart ass......I'm waiting.

Gonna update that thread with clearer photos. Shots shown are group shots such that the image is cluttered. My bud at O.G., Erliquin, (the best hydro grower I've even known) swore by the stuff and wrote a thread on its use. Problem with the use of this PGR is how much is the right amount and it looks like I've nailed it. The ppm must be precise. The misuse of paclo (and other PGR's) can have disastrous results. Any time you mess with mama natur's hormones she's gonna "settle accounts".

Uncle Ben
 

eDude

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Nice try.. You really need to work on your straw man building techniques. Why would anyone use a PGR on something they plan to consume? Can't you read? It's always been considered a risk to loaders and sprayers and no one would even think of using it on a consumable. You might as well ask me about how I use cyanide to brush my teeth. So, you go a head a hold your breath and keep waiting.

Also, it's not a hormone.. :wall: it BLOCKS hormones (gibberellin) .. backwards again..
 

Uncle Ben

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Also, it's not a hormone.. :wall: it BLOCKS hormones (gibberellin) .. backwards again..
I never said it was a hormone, shit-fer-brains.

If you could ever pull yourself away from Troll-It-Up and go to the Riddle thread where the real guys hang, you might learn something. Paclo is a PGR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellin

A known antagonist to gibberellin is paclobutrazol (PBZ), which in turn inhibits growth and induces early fruitset as well as seedset.
 

eDude

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You, unlike me, have no experience with bud blood, or any thing like it. You have brought nothing to the thread. Yet here you are just barking a way.. :lol:
 

Uncle Ben

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You, unlike me, have no experience with bud blood, or any thing like it. You have brought nothing to the thread. Yet here you are just barking a way.. :lol:
WTF? You think I'm stupid and naive enough to use something that will work against me? bud blood (0-39-25) No N, ultra high P, are you kidding me? Based on over 40 years of growing and extensive knowledge and experience with plant nutrition, I'll tell you know what that food will induce - premature leaf drop and micro deficiencies, both crucial to plant health, as well as increasing the stretch.
 
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