BUDz almost done but are DIEING
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Im guessing i should also get a bottle of Ph Up and a bottle of Ph Down. cause odds are after I check the Ph in my mixed water. It will either be higher or lower than 6.0-6.5. So ill need to adjust it with the Up & Down.
Ive bought the water tester and 7.0 soulution, since the meter didnt come with any. I didnt get the soil tester yet, but if i need o buy the Up & Down, than perhaps ill buy it then.
Ive bought the water tester and 7.0 soulution, since the meter didnt come with any. I didnt get the soil tester yet, but if i need o buy the Up & Down, than perhaps ill buy it then.
Kingrow1
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100percent nute burn and this is probably giving you ph problems causing nute lockouts, combined you have plant death. Ease of the nutes and let the plant tell you when to fertilise. You now know what nute burn looks like so have a go at underfertilizing to find out where the balance is. With nute burn any kind of heat will dry them leaves out so not only dose adding too much nutes cause nute lock and ph problems but it also makes your plant more susceptable to heat burn and when it once flourished in your growing temps now it baking hence why it looks like a combination of things. You said you grow in soil, i go whole grows with little or no nutrients and in the last few weeks of flowering find that the palnt and soil have enough to finish nicely.
alright, what im having defintiyl sounds like what you explained.
Since this gorw is just about done anyways. Ill pretty much be just giving them straight water from now on. Put them out of their misery a lil sooner
When i do my nest one Ill definilty be using a 1/3 teaspoon instead of a 1 teaspoon when I do my mixing. Ill cut all my nutes down by 2/3, meaing ill be using only 1/3 the nutes Ive been using. And since Ill have my new water ph tester, hopefuly I can stop any possibly future problems next time.
Sorry for my spelling errors, i type to fast
Since this gorw is just about done anyways. Ill pretty much be just giving them straight water from now on. Put them out of their misery a lil sooner
When i do my nest one Ill definilty be using a 1/3 teaspoon instead of a 1 teaspoon when I do my mixing. Ill cut all my nutes down by 2/3, meaing ill be using only 1/3 the nutes Ive been using. And since Ill have my new water ph tester, hopefuly I can stop any possibly future problems next time.
Sorry for my spelling errors, i type to fast
Well, I FINALLY got my PH meter in and my 7.0 solution.
I calibrated the new meter in the solution until it bounced between 7.02 - 7.00
I made up a batch the way I WAS mixing the fert for budding and it read 5.1
Than I made up a batch with 1/3 the fert mix I WAS using and it read 5.2
So obviously Im gonna need to buy some PH UP solution, to get it to the 6.2 that I hear is PERFECT for our plants.
I then made up a batch for the growing cycle with 1/3 I WAS using for that mix and came up with 5.6. So Ill be using the PH UP for pretty much the life cycle fo the plant.
I also checked the PH of the straight Distilled water from WalMart and it read 9.1 So when it comes to flushing time, Ill have to ad some PH DOWN??
The 7.0 solution, can the PH change when outside the bottle? I left some in a cup so I test it when ever. But its reading 7.13 now, instead of 7.01. But when i test the 7.0 inside the bottle, it reads 7.01.
And one more thing i neede to ask, is it IMPORTANT to get the Storage Or Cleaning Solution for the PH meter? i just rinse it of with straight Distilled water and put the cap back on it. But should I be using the storage soultion for storing it or the cleaning solution for cleaning it, instead of distill water??
I decied to end this grow, instead of letting it go the final 2 weeks. The browing in the leaves has stopped atleast. So Ill let them dry out a lil more then cut them down. I did flush them once.
But, Thanx alot people for the help and info. PLAESE let me know about the other soultions
I calibrated the new meter in the solution until it bounced between 7.02 - 7.00
I made up a batch the way I WAS mixing the fert for budding and it read 5.1
Than I made up a batch with 1/3 the fert mix I WAS using and it read 5.2
So obviously Im gonna need to buy some PH UP solution, to get it to the 6.2 that I hear is PERFECT for our plants.
I then made up a batch for the growing cycle with 1/3 I WAS using for that mix and came up with 5.6. So Ill be using the PH UP for pretty much the life cycle fo the plant.
I also checked the PH of the straight Distilled water from WalMart and it read 9.1 So when it comes to flushing time, Ill have to ad some PH DOWN??
The 7.0 solution, can the PH change when outside the bottle? I left some in a cup so I test it when ever. But its reading 7.13 now, instead of 7.01. But when i test the 7.0 inside the bottle, it reads 7.01.
And one more thing i neede to ask, is it IMPORTANT to get the Storage Or Cleaning Solution for the PH meter? i just rinse it of with straight Distilled water and put the cap back on it. But should I be using the storage soultion for storing it or the cleaning solution for cleaning it, instead of distill water??
I decied to end this grow, instead of letting it go the final 2 weeks. The browing in the leaves has stopped atleast. So Ill let them dry out a lil more then cut them down. I did flush them once.
But, Thanx alot people for the help and info. PLAESE let me know about the other soultions
cowboylogic
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The myth rolls on............^^^^complete bullshit. My guess would be your medium ph is tanked due to the high amount of nutes you have used. I would flush them well. Then the next few waterings just use the Big Bloom. It will feed the plants and also help breakdown some of thee salt build up...........edit:distilled water will wreck a ph meter very fast. R/O and distilled water are both bad choices for storing your meter. You are better off storing it in your tap water.
OH YEAH, i definitly belive its due to TOO much nutes and very low PH
I was looking at some PH UP & Down. Since Ill be mixing it in my water fix mix solution, should I get the DRY ph up&down or the LIQUID ph up&down
1.5lbs each of DRY mix for $33.00 or 1Qt (32oz) each of LIQUID mix for $32.00 both are from GH
I was looking at some PH UP & Down. Since Ill be mixing it in my water fix mix solution, should I get the DRY ph up&down or the LIQUID ph up&down
1.5lbs each of DRY mix for $33.00 or 1Qt (32oz) each of LIQUID mix for $32.00 both are from GH
Dont use h2o2 in soil, it will kill off all beneficial microbes, bacteria, endos, ectos, etc...... get some type of enzyme. You are using the GO CalMag which is made of molasses, calcium carbonate, and magnesium carbonate. Its good stuff because Calcium nitrate will break down into nitrogen and calcium. Im using the FloraNova for my soil adding GO BioRoot, CalMag, and Bioweed. In flower, you can cut the Bioroot and Bioweed. Youre using the Tigerbloom 2-8-4 and Floranova Bloom 4-8-7 = 6-16-11. The plants do look nute burned, with a possible ph problem. You can just use the Floranova and get good results, without the tiger bloom.
Dont get chemical ph additives. Look into Dyna Gro ProTekt for a ph up. Its made from silica (or silicon) and will help your plants when they are stressed, and its natural. You can use lime or lemon juice as a ph down, but its organic and could break down. Next time mix a little Dolomite Lime (garden, not hydro) when you mix the soil, or you can top dress. Itll buffer your ph to around 7. Dont get a cheap soil tester. It wont give you correct readings.
Dont worry about getting the whole nutrient line from the same company. Read what the actual ingredients are. Im using the House & Garden Coco lineup by itself, but my plants im using CNS17 and am adding 8 different things from 6 differet companies look alot healthier and needed to be fed a day before the H&G plants.
Plants should only start to yellow when you start flushing them, not in flower. BUT they should ONLY yellow, not yellow and die off (the leaves).
Dont get chemical ph additives. Look into Dyna Gro ProTekt for a ph up. Its made from silica (or silicon) and will help your plants when they are stressed, and its natural. You can use lime or lemon juice as a ph down, but its organic and could break down. Next time mix a little Dolomite Lime (garden, not hydro) when you mix the soil, or you can top dress. Itll buffer your ph to around 7. Dont get a cheap soil tester. It wont give you correct readings.
Dont worry about getting the whole nutrient line from the same company. Read what the actual ingredients are. Im using the House & Garden Coco lineup by itself, but my plants im using CNS17 and am adding 8 different things from 6 differet companies look alot healthier and needed to be fed a day before the H&G plants.
Plants should only start to yellow when you start flushing them, not in flower. BUT they should ONLY yellow, not yellow and die off (the leaves).
i found the dynagro pro tekt
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dyna-Gro-Dyna-Gro-Pro-Tekt-Pro-Tekt-1-Quart-1-Qt-/150588590996?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230fc78b94
So, your saying this acts as a PH UP? Or is it a a Nute also.
Ill more than likly give this a shot over the GH ph up&dwn. casue i have read a few bad things about the h2o2 (GH Ph Up). But I know it needs the Up, so Id like to get what evers safest or safe enough and easily enough to buy and mix with the water/fert mix.
And your also saying that once they get to flowering, their no need to use the BioRoot anymore? i was only going to use the Cal/Mag once every 2 or 3 feedings. I just bought it for the first time halfway through this grow, once I noticed the problems. hoping the Cal/Mag would help. But I intend to use it for the rest of my grows (1/2 teaspoon per Gl)
this is the soil PH meter I was looking to buy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320679390276&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dyna-Gro-Dyna-Gro-Pro-Tekt-Pro-Tekt-1-Quart-1-Qt-/150588590996?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230fc78b94
So, your saying this acts as a PH UP? Or is it a a Nute also.
Ill more than likly give this a shot over the GH ph up&dwn. casue i have read a few bad things about the h2o2 (GH Ph Up). But I know it needs the Up, so Id like to get what evers safest or safe enough and easily enough to buy and mix with the water/fert mix.
And your also saying that once they get to flowering, their no need to use the BioRoot anymore? i was only going to use the Cal/Mag once every 2 or 3 feedings. I just bought it for the first time halfway through this grow, once I noticed the problems. hoping the Cal/Mag would help. But I intend to use it for the rest of my grows (1/2 teaspoon per Gl)
this is the soil PH meter I was looking to buy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320679390276&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
yup, I, and many others, use ProTekt as a ph up. Its both Ph up and has a little nute in it (3% soluble potash) But it is good for stressed plants, helps strengthen the plant to heat, drought, pest, diseases, cold etc...... The bottle says 1/2-1tsp a gallon, but since you are using it as a ph up, start with 1/4tsp, check ph, and go up from there if needed. I noticed that different companies nutrients vary on how much ph adjustment is needed to make the ph rise and fall (if that makes sense) i.e full General Organics lineup takes just a pinch, while the Floranova may take a little more to get the ph where you want it.
No Bioroot in flower, check out the GO feeding chart. As for the CalMag, if using RO water, use more than 1/2tsp. I sometimes use 2tsp a gal depending on what nutes im using. The Floranova should have calmag in it, but if using RO water, i'd use 1 tsp per gal. I noticed with my water a tsp adds roughly 125ppm. So if your water is near 0ppm like mine then it takes a bit more. I use it every feeding. By using the Tiger Bloom and Floranova, you were pretty much giving the plant a double dose of base flower nutrients. I like the Floranova since its just one bottle. Im running it n my soil because i like how the ph is 6.3 after i mix compared to 5.3 with GO and 4.8 with H&G. Therefore i dont need alot of ph up to make it rise. IMO just finish with the Floranova Bloom and add a little calmag. You can use additives also. Im going to use Floranova Bloom, A little calmag, for when i flower my soil plants. Also have some extra additives im going to there that i got from an indoor garden expo. For now just K.I.S.S. There are people just running the Floranova Bloom Lucas formula for the entire grow.
look into Dolomite Lime for your next grow if still in soil. Itll be a buffer and help keep your ph around 7. Also look into M.O.A.B. by Mad Farmer or any bloom booster.
No Bioroot in flower, check out the GO feeding chart. As for the CalMag, if using RO water, use more than 1/2tsp. I sometimes use 2tsp a gal depending on what nutes im using. The Floranova should have calmag in it, but if using RO water, i'd use 1 tsp per gal. I noticed with my water a tsp adds roughly 125ppm. So if your water is near 0ppm like mine then it takes a bit more. I use it every feeding. By using the Tiger Bloom and Floranova, you were pretty much giving the plant a double dose of base flower nutrients. I like the Floranova since its just one bottle. Im running it n my soil because i like how the ph is 6.3 after i mix compared to 5.3 with GO and 4.8 with H&G. Therefore i dont need alot of ph up to make it rise. IMO just finish with the Floranova Bloom and add a little calmag. You can use additives also. Im going to use Floranova Bloom, A little calmag, for when i flower my soil plants. Also have some extra additives im going to there that i got from an indoor garden expo. For now just K.I.S.S. There are people just running the Floranova Bloom Lucas formula for the entire grow.
look into Dolomite Lime for your next grow if still in soil. Itll be a buffer and help keep your ph around 7. Also look into M.O.A.B. by Mad Farmer or any bloom booster.
I just bought 1Qt of the DynaGro ProTekT and I bought a 3lb bag of powder Dolomite Lime.
So hopefuly my next will be NOTICABLE better. Im not Displeased with my grow But it makes me happy to know that can and SHOULD be much better next time.
And my Ph meter. I dont store it in Distilled water but I do rinse it off with Distilled water and dry it than i put the cap back on it and put it away. I dont store it in ANY solution. But I do check it before i use in the 7.0 solution and so far it has always read 7.00-7.02. But Ive only used it twice in 2 days, so im sure their pleanty of tiem for things to go wrong with it by how im using it Which is one of the reason why i asked if I should buy the cleaing and or the storing solution. IDK if its just some gimic the company says, to get people to buy more of their product.
I will definitly teat out a few batches of fert mix in the water and test it with the PH meter, and see excatly how muc DynaPro I need to up the PH to 6.2 in my fert water mix.
So hopefuly my next will be NOTICABLE better. Im not Displeased with my grow But it makes me happy to know that can and SHOULD be much better next time.
And my Ph meter. I dont store it in Distilled water but I do rinse it off with Distilled water and dry it than i put the cap back on it and put it away. I dont store it in ANY solution. But I do check it before i use in the 7.0 solution and so far it has always read 7.00-7.02. But Ive only used it twice in 2 days, so im sure their pleanty of tiem for things to go wrong with it by how im using it
Which is one of the reason why i asked if I should buy the cleaing and or the storing solution. IDK if its just some gimic the company says, to get people to buy more of their product.I will definitly teat out a few batches of fert mix in the water and test it with the PH meter, and see excatly how muc DynaPro I need to up the PH to 6.2 in my fert water mix.
yesGrowingPassionyes
Member
i wouldn't use the dolomite, i used it before and i only have bad experiences to share. just buy a good ph balanced soil like fox farm and forget the dolomite. if you insist of using it, only used 1/4 cup or less for 1.5cf of dirt. the solution for the ph meter is worth it, it keeps your ph meter working and also it keeps it more accurate, you need the solution, plus its cheap and it last a very long time. if you already have problems with low ph, its fine to use the dolomite. next time buy good soil
. good luck bra.
. good luck bra.
yesGrowingPassionyes
Member
i also forget, if your growing in soil its better to use tap water(let it sit for 2-3 days before use), it has more buffers in it and helps control the ph better. RO water needs very little ph up to adjust.
i wouldn't use the dolomite, i used it before and i only have bad experiences to share. just buy a good ph balanced soil like fox farm and forget the dolomite. if you insist of using it, only used 1/4 cup or less for 1.5cf of dirt. the solution for the ph meter is worth it, it keeps your ph meter working and also it keeps it more accurate, you need the solution, plus its cheap and it last a very long time. if you already have problems with low ph, its fine to use the dolomite. next time buy good soil
He's using FF. You need to make sure its garden lime and not hydrated.
yesGrowingPassionyes
Member
i didnt see... please dont hit me
yesGrowingPassionyes
Member
hey dude i got this from another post. hope it helps. it looks like RO water is bad for ph meters.
edit: hahaha i didnt see his post was from the same thread..
edit: hahaha i didnt see his post was from the same thread..
edit: hahaha i didnt see his post was from the same thread..
cowboylogic
Well-Known Member
Your probe is probaly junked. You never let the probe dry out..............they must be stored in something to keep them moist......
yesGrowingPassionyes
Member
damn that sucks. what kind of ph meter do you have? i hope its not one of those Xpensive meters..
i have this meter
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220614447803&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
I used it today so I know it still works acruratly, for now. I tested it in the 7.0 solution.
Since it will take a few days before it arrives (storing solution), what should I store it in, in the mean time (tap water?).
The package doent say anywheres on it that it HAS to be in some kind of solution, to make sure it doesnt dry out. It just seems Odd to me that this metereing tool has to ALWAYS be in some liquid solution. I plan on using this for a year or two.
Im guessing i would have to change the storing solution the meter sits in, once a month or two, or everyday. IDK.
Also, what is R/O or RO water. What does the RO stand for. Im sure its something really obvious, im just not realizing what it is.
I have always used FF OF soil, and plan on continuing using it. I still planned on using the dolomite lime I just bought here on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130501313043&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
I belive i have bought everything Ill need to do this more acuratly this next time around. I sitll need the soil PH meter, thatll be easy to get though from ebay.
Thanx again EVERYONE for all the help and info.
I will be re-reading this again before I start my next grow (1-2 weeks from now) and make sure I do things with ALOT less nutes and MORE pH monitoring.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220614447803&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
I used it today so I know it still works acruratly, for now. I tested it in the 7.0 solution.
Since it will take a few days before it arrives (storing solution), what should I store it in, in the mean time (tap water?).
The package doent say anywheres on it that it HAS to be in some kind of solution, to make sure it doesnt dry out. It just seems Odd to me that this metereing tool has to ALWAYS be in some liquid solution. I plan on using this for a year or two.
Im guessing i would have to change the storing solution the meter sits in, once a month or two, or everyday. IDK.
Also, what is R/O or RO water. What does the RO stand for. Im sure its something really obvious, im just not realizing what it is.
I have always used FF OF soil, and plan on continuing using it. I still planned on using the dolomite lime I just bought here on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130501313043&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
I belive i have bought everything Ill need to do this more acuratly this next time around. I sitll need the soil PH meter, thatll be easy to get though from ebay.
Thanx again EVERYONE for all the help and info.
I will be re-reading this again before I start my next grow (1-2 weeks from now) and make sure I do things with ALOT less nutes and MORE pH monitoring.
yesGrowingPassionyes
Member
RO is reverse osmosis water, you need to change your ph meter solution every time you use your tester(i change it every time), it just takes a couple of drops. dont waste your money on the soil ph meters they are not very accurate.